Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

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HolmanGT

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Guys I've been thinking about those freak fibres. I would like to try them out. Did anyone tried them here yet? How are the fibers compared to Sally's?

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Tony, I give up... what are freak fibers :confused:
 

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Tony, I give up... what are freak fibers :confused:
Freak fibers or fiber freaks is rayon made by tree huggers here in Europe. Kinda like certified environmental production, sterilized packaging etc.

It's much more expensive than Sally's but at the rate I'm using rayon, that bag should last me 6 months. I'm more interested about the fiber quality and how the strands are laid out and obviously about it's wicking ability.

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http://www.fiberfreaks.com/


How are you spinning today btw? :)

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If your wick doesn't gunk, you don't have to clean it. Replacing a wick once or twice per month is a no brainer. I usually change it once a week (Sundays) when I get some free time for myself.

I'm currently trying to enter the hall of fame so I'm on the same wick since the 9th February. Around 174ml right now I think.

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Pictures Please Tony,
as soon as you get a chance.. :)
 

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Yes, yes I know :)

Package still stuck in Lisbon. My customs want me to say something so they have an excuse to open it but I'm sitting quiet as a mouse. They will get bored soon I hope and then... Finally, a new enclosure and a new rewick :D

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Freak fibers or fiber freaks is rayon made by tree huggers here in Europe. Kinda like certified environmental production, sterilized packaging etc.

It's much more expensive than Sally's but at the rate I'm using rayon, that bag should last me 6 months. I'm more interested about the fiber quality and how the strands are laid out and obviously about it's wicking ability.

More info here:

Fiber Freaks


How are you spinning today btw? :)

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Tony

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"Spinning today" - Like the Whirling dervishes. ;) Actually I had to go out to pick up some stuff and when I got back the two original Bars I ordered were in the mail box. However I made the mistake of checking my "In Box". Goodness between the hoopla I stirred with my opinions on Evolv and the post about Clones burning cotton I have just now caught up on the posts. Still haven't had dinner and the stir bars have had the evening off.

Just as soon as I have my evening meal and feed the cat (she is still upset because I left her for so long I telling ya Tony she makes me feel like I am married again you know the guilt trip thing) I am going to plunk those puppies in a bottle of juice and spin them till they puke (yes I will give them a paper bag and orders not to spoil my juice).

Back to the Freaky Fiber I looked at their WEB site but never found a price. I like the fact that it comes in hermetically sealed pouches. The rope style picture I saw looked similar to Sally's but not high enough resolution to tell much. You will have to let us know when you get your hands on some what you think.

PS - The Sally's isn't sealed a factor that I attribute some people claiming the rayon takes a little break-in period. That stuff left open to the air will absorb water out of the air and any other chemicals that may be floating around not to mention in damp climates I would imagine it would have no trouble feeding any mold that drifts by. The box I bought was clean as a whistle to the point that I chewed a hunk like a was of bubble gum and the taste was so neutral I can't come up with any taste sensation at all. Freaky Fiber being sealed may have an edge over Sally's unsealed box.

I am going to go have dinner and I don't care how many times "Outlook Beeps at me" :p
 
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I posted a while ago using rayon in a KFL+ clone and I really liked how it was working for me. I've got the UD goblin now and after two wicks with cotton I decided to give rayon a shot in it. I used a decent amount, the tails were very short and I did not thin them like the KF, because I thought I'd get some leaking if I did.

The first tank had that "nutty" taste to it, but after the second fill and a night sitting there is no wick flavor. I'm guessing this is due to a lot of rayon stuffed in the coil (used 7/64 bit). Did the rayon compress after use? I vape a lot of unflavored since it saves me money and the taste is just how it should be now. I'm nervous to use flavor in the tank since I feel I would get some gunking on the contact coil. The unflavored doesn't show any signs of it. I have two coils that reads 0.5 using 26g kanthal 8 wraps. How does the rayon hold up with liquids that can cause gunk on the coils?

And I have to add, a cup of black coffee and the unflavored liquid vape is a great flavor combo. I'm going to have to get another bottom coil vacuum style tank to try flavors.

You had a little too much in the coil. You can pull some strands out if its too tight... If you taste rayon simply seperate a small needle sized piece that you can pull out. Then try it still taste pull another. You will get to the point just shy of tasting rayon. That's where you want to be. When you nail the density you should have hardly and taste of rayon and it should clear in a few hits.

The rayon will reduce in size as its used for a few hours. The wetness and compression in the coil will cause the fibers to come together closer as the air is eliminated. But when the density is right it will be good from the start. Even though it can be fatter then thinner. The factor is the outward pressure of the wick, when its just right the pressure will remain constant..

Of course unflavored will be the least gunk in any setup. Rayon will produce less gunk than anything when the density and tails are right.

Contact coils will gunk more than spaced coils.

I use a darkish 100vg naturally extracted Arabic tobacco. 180ml, no gunking, spaced coil.
 
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Contact coils will gunk more than spaced coils.

Blasphemy! You obviously aren't part of the tensioned coil cult! :)

I happened across that thread as it showed up in my "daily posts". I must say the sauce is deep there.

Anyways back to rayon.
 
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Blasphemy! You obviously aren't part of the tensioned coil cult! :)

I happened across that thread as it showed up in my "daily posts". I must say the sauce is deep there.

Anyways back to rayon.
Lol. Don't start another war. I think we are still recovering from that dna thing. No need to call isis in here. [emoji14]

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Blasphemy! You obviously aren't part of the tensioned coil cult! :)

I happened across that thread as it showed up in my "daily posts". I must say the sauce is deep there.

Anyways back to rayon.

Blasphemy back.. I stopped using them for a reason, because I want a better vape for me..

I know you were joking... I'm in the reality and truth cult.

Oh I've never visited the thread for a cup of koolaid
 
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You had a little too much in the coil. You can pull some strands out if its too tight... If you taste rayon simply seperate a small needle sized piece that you can pull out. Then try it still taste pull another. You will get to the point just shy of tasting rayon. That's where you want to be. When you nail the density you should have hardly and taste of rayon and it should clear in a few hits.

The rayon will reduce in size as its used for a few hours. The wetness and compression in the coil will cause the fibers to come together closer as the air is eliminated. But when the density is right it will be good from the start. Even though it can be fatter then thinner. The factor is the outward pressure of the wick, when its just right the pressure will remain constant..

Of course unflavored will be the least gunk in any setup. Rayon will produce less gunk than anything when the density and tails are right.

Contact coils will gunk more than spaced coils.

I use a darkish 100vg naturally extracted Arabic tobacco. 180ml, no gunking, spaced coil.

Thank you very much for the explaination. I really appreciate it.

I felt like I was using a bit too much. It was kind of a weird senario. For the goblin in particular I wanted enough tail density in the top of the four liquid channels to operate without flooding on the deck. I haven't had any flooding with the rayon so I guess I got that down. But then again since my coil is pretty large for the goblin(7/64) I think I could get away with less next time and still be able to prevent flooding.

I read some of your posts about tail thinning and it worked great in the KFL+. The erl works nicely with rayon too, probably the easiest tank to wick out of what I have. Your wicks look great from the pictures I've seen too. I still like using kohgendo cotton, but I want to work rayon into the builds since I have so much of it.

Is there anything to be said about rayon density along with lower resistance? I've used the KFL up to about 12 watts when I had the mvp, 28 gauge contact coil. The erl I've used at around 15 watts with a 27 gauge contact coil. If I used too much it was much more obvious with those two tanks, both above 1ohm. The goblin on the other hand is using 26g contact coils at 0.5ohms, I'm vaping it 35+watts. I like it keep it between 4.2-4.5 volts. Do you think the rayon compression would be the same for all three tanks? Even though they all vary in resistance I guess it's still very possible the heat flux could be similar. The KFL and erl did use smaller coils, maybe that's why it was more sensitive?

The Golbin is still vaping really great and the unflavored is, well tasteless, like it should be. but I want to try what you suggested and use less to take away the break in period.
 

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Erlp, rayon, 2.5mm id, spaced - 10 wrap ni 28 gauge 0.14 Ohms, 40W and it didn't even hit 400F so no throttling until the fourth pull when it started to throttle down to 28W.

With kanthal 15-20W no problems (2.5mm id coil 29 gauge, full contact, 6 wraps, around 1.3 Ohms)

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I've regularly taken a first hit to find I over stuffed and then have pulled little pieces out.. Particularly when i switch between different rayons. Sallys seems to have the least amount of spring to it.. The balls and pharma stay fluffier and have more spring to them because of the way the fibers are crimped.

The wick I'm using right now I had to pull 3-4 pieces out of the coil to bring the density down. I've been using it for a couple weeks now, 21 days to be specific.. So around 120ml VG Arabic tobacco. This was with subzero conditions and VG freezups causing some dryish hits, as it didn't want to wick from the tank.

Here is the wicking session 2/17/15
 
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Here's the wick today. 21 days ~120ml.. And I wasn't even that happy with the wick when I did it.

The non flash photos show the juice color accurately. The flash makes the wick look white.. The one I B&W so you can see the coils without glare... All these were taken today.

This is in a FEV, RTA with mesh feeder wicks. Been vaping this at 30w on the istick 50w.

 
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I'm sure it would've been mentioned here, but has anybody come across any rayon PADS (like KGD comes in, not the pee pads you line beds with :laugh: )?

My BF-99 is wanting perfectly even tails - hard to do when you're at a ratty section in a Sally's box. Still works well, just a little fiddly.
 
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