Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[TrollDragon]

That is sweet Troll! Hows it werkin for you?

It does not seem to have near the flavor of the V2 dripper... But for $13.99 I am quite impressed. The threads on it are definitely not as janky looking as the pictures on the site show. But it does need some fine emery paper taken to it for clean up a few sharp edges.

I'll have to play with some builds and see what works best for me till the FEV VS gets here. I had a email showing it strapped to the back of a turtle the other day and I still have to find some mesh for it... But I have at least 3 weeks to search.

 

[Rossum]

Holy crap you old geezer, get on over there and read that thread QUICK!

Thanks. I was reading that thread a while back but since I never posted in it, it had slipped off my radar.

 

[SlickWilly]

OK, I glance through some of the early posts/pages but will admit I did not read all 1230+ pages.

Just being inquisitive and interested in trying something different, where could a person buy rayon (or whatever version has been found to work the best)...direct link please. Currently I'm running multiple PT2's for the wife and SubTank Mini's for me.

Any prep go into the wick (boiling or other)?
Recommendations on density?

Any helpful pointers for someone that hasn't used it before.


Thanks for the help.

You can get a 500 foot box of Cellucotton brand from Sally's, it will have the numbers 44060 on it like this
Graham CelluCotton Cotton Coil

They offer it a small bag and a bigger box, just make sure it says 100% Rayon because they also make a cotton version. There are Sally's all over, you can locate one near you here
Sally Beauty Supply has hair products, salon supplies, spa supplies, cosmetics, and more!

As far as using it, no need to boil or wash. Use more then cotton because it shrinks a little. The OP JeremyR has good info on using it in his blogs here
E-Cigarette Forum - JeremyR - Blogs

 

[JimmyDB]

Some vape mail arrived yesterday and after a good cleaning, I though I would throw a build on it at work and see how it is.

A quick question for those that play on the 867-5309 exchange, do you run your rayon till it touches the bottom like I did, or do you lop it off short and tilt?

Thanks!

On my Genesis devices, I let it go all the way to the bottom and curl up a little... mainly so I can pull some wicking up and snip it off every so often... yay, fresh wick.

 

[TrollDragon]

On my Genesis devices, I let it go all the way to the bottom and curl up a little... mainly so I can pull some wicking up and snip it off every so often... yay, fresh wick.

What a great tip, I never would have thought to do that!

 

[JeremyR]

I sort of anticipated more nic hit and flavor. I've already experienced the rayon difference with the RBA on the Subtank Mini and in the Kanger OCCoils, but to a lesser degree and the amount of vapor I'm getting at 8 watts is really unexpected. I haven't seen you guys talk about that aspect too much. Maybe the Subtank Plus deserves more credit than I'm giving it. It's hard to say what the cause is, with any confidence, when you combine two or three new things at the same time. All I know for sure is that I can't wait to try the Goliath when it gets here.

Its probably one of things we take for granted now a days.. We used to talk about it all the time about 10,000 posts back. Lol

 

[mudram99]

Thanks. I was reading that thread a while back but since I never posted in it, it had slipped off my radar.

It's some interesting info. And I hope you know I'm just pokin youre ole .... with the phun stick as I am right on your heels my friend. 54 this year

 

[SlickWilly]

Geez, look's like the "aged" hang out here. I was born in 57

 

[IML8]

Its probably one of things we take for granted now a days.. We used to talk about it all the time about 10,000 posts back. Lol

Well, maybe it's something that should be highlighted, when you consider just how much attention is given and significance assigned to vapor production in judging just about every other aspect of vaping. Achieving superior vapor production is the holy grail for many people and a key marketing/advertising component for many manufacturer's and distributer's products.

I'm not a cloud chaser, but there are many tangential practical benefits to be realized from being able to effectively produce equivalent amounts of vapor with lower wattages.

 

[JeremyR]

In order to get more vapor production you need better flow and saturation. Nic hit, flavor and vapor come along with it..

You may just be noticing the larger air flow on the subtank. More air more vapor.

Sorry if you were mislead to believe it only improved a few things, everything is better with rayon.

Its clearly evident when you fire the coil that the vapor is actually different than cotton. The vapor explodes with firework streamers.

The vapor has a different characteristic also, it's actually vaporized juice instead of burning juice.

I was specifically talking about the nic hit, but the vapor is better too.

 

[JeremyR]

Geez, look's like the "aged" hang out here. I was born in 57

Geez I'm a youngin' round here, I was born in 77.

 

[SlickWilly]

Geez I'm a youngin' round here, I was born in 77.

Ah, kids.

 

[Thayamax]

You're all a bunch of young whippersnappers in here. Turn that music down and stay off my lawn!

 

[Rossum]

Geez I'm a youngin' round here, I was born in 77.

That's the the year I started smoking.

 

[awsum140]

In '77 I had been smoking for fifteen or sixteen years. You're all a bunch of youngsters! But, we're all Rayonoti's.

 

[IML8]

You may just be noticing the larger air flow on the subtank. More air more vapor.

Possibly. It would be interesting, however, to make a real time side by side comparison with everything (tank, juice, coils, mod, watts, etc.) other than wick material being equal. My impression is that we would objectively see a larger and more dense volume of vapor being exhaled. I'll have to wait until I have two identical setups before I can perform that test though.

...everything is better with rayon.

No doubt. I'm all up in that bandwagon.

 

[tchavei]

I started walking in 77 [emoji14]

Regards
Tony

Sent from my keyboard through my phone or something like that.

 

[cindycated]

Some vape mail arrived yesterday and after a good cleaning, I though I would throw a build on it at work and see how it is.

A quick question for those that play on the 867-5309 exchange, do you run your rayon till it touches the bottom like I did, or do you lop it off short and tilt?

I do half and half. I split the tail in half, lop one half short and thin the other half and leave it long.
The Origen Genesis is one of my favorite atties! Watch out for that 510 thread though - that aluminum down there is pretty soft.

 

[TrollDragon]

Thanks cindycated!

I am all new to Genesis style atomizers and this one is quite interesting. I didn't realize it had two different sized holes for wicks till it was all built. Luckily I had it set up for the 4.5mm hole and was wondering what the little tab with the secondary holes was for just under the deck. I assume they are supports to keep your mesh wick straight. I imagine with a dual coil setup it will go through juice like it's free.

Thanks again for the tip on the wicking and yes I did see that the 510 threads are aluminum so I will have to be careful with it. I assume the aluminum deck is just a clone thing and the authentic is stainless steel.

Many builds and wicking to try out!

 

[JeremyR]

. I did some due diligence and decided on Betelgeuse, Gravity, The Virus and Strawnilla...30 ml bottles with 18 mg nic (a little stronger than I mix mine (15 mg), but, in the past, I thought some vendors were lite on their nic levels).

So, anyway, I wicked up the included RBA with rayon on their factory installed .5 ohm coil and juiced up the tank with Strawnilla. Well crap! The first attempt was too loose and I was soon getting dry hits. On do-overs, I got it just about right, I think. The result was amazing.

The juice was good and flavorful and all, but the real amazing part, to me, was the nic hit. It was way too strong and keep in mind that I've been known to vape 36 mg in the not too distant past without blinking an eye. Now what?

I have 120 ml of juice that is going to be too strong and I don't want to dilute the flavor along with the nic by adding more base to it, So I just kept turning down the power until it became tolerable. I'm down to vaping this stuff at 8 watts on a .5 ohm coil and I'm still getting plenty of flavor, plenty of nic hit and plenty of cloud. That's impressive. Decent clouds at 8 watts? How is this possible.

I have to give some credit to the Subtank Plus, but unless this is the most amazing tank ever conceived, I have to think most of the credit has to go to the rayon

Just had to repost this part of your experience.