So just the 510-510 adapter from Reos mod, and o-rings? Did you get those rings from Reosmods and which size did you get?
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So just the 510-510 adapter from Reos mod, and o-rings? Did you get those rings from Reosmods and which size did you get?
There's a misconception that among bottom feeders, they give superior flavor compared to other bottom feeders. They most likely do not. The feeding system is the most relevant. You can get an RDA and drip it on a tube mod and achieve the same quality vape. When comparing bottom feeders (or any mod for that matter) you just lay out a set of qualities you are looking for. For me, if I feel a mod won't last me at least 5 years, to the trash it goes. Mechanicals are by nature long lasting, so what do I look for? Customer service, materials used, toughness, are you able to repair it completely yourself, voltage drop, easy to mod, could last a lifetime.
I've held and used a Vmod, not owned one. There's a definite different between mass produced devices (where companies try to use cheap and easy to get materials to effectively produce large quantities in a short frame of time) and home made products where dedication and care goes into each device. A thin aluminum shell and a plastic body against a milled aluminum block full body. There's no discussion in longevity here. Voltage drop for better battery life and sub ohm coils, after the sub ohm kit gets released the REO goes to the top mechs regarding voltage drop. Even easy to install mods can make the voltage drop surpass or on pair with the highest quality mechs on the market. I did not have the chance to test voltage drop on the Vmod, anyone that has tested it thoroughly feel free to share.
If the Vmod costed, say, $50-$60, it'd be reasonable. But for the price, it doesn't have the qualities to justify the price IMHO. I've personally talked with Rob (the maker of the REO) several times, and not exactly a 5 minute call. He likes to talk to his customers, and has many fascinating plans for REO products in the future. Due to the recent surge of mods to get the best voltage drop, he got interested, even warned everyone of how unsafe it was, and decided to come up with his own sub ohm kit. You can't influence a company, nor get it to notice something like that. I'll take a family-like environment over a company-to-customer mass produced product any day. Someone suggested a 26650 REO, a hybrid REO, all of that he listens to it, and makes plans for it. You pay $144 for not only the product.
I owned a Provari and I saw its quality, for what it is and what it's meant to be, it is top quality. At Reoville we are just like a family and we try to share our joy with the rest. We believe if it worked for us, and it was so amazing for us, it could be for others too. I'm sure the Provari owners aren't different. When people bad mouth something you like, you get defensive and that's natural instinct. There's no reason for me to buy any other mod unless I wanted to collect them. Why would I? To achieve a similar/identical vape but different shape/quality/durability/convenience (most likely lower)? If a realistic price is of concern, build your own cheap bottom feeder mod. Who cares if it breaks in a year, you can build a new one cheap and yourself.
I often wonder if those that can't praise/understand why we praise our products with the passion we do is because what they own does not really satisfy them. If a freaking eGo with a Protank on it makes me the happiest vaper on Earth, I'd praise it just as much as I praise the REO.
I've held and used a Vmod, not owned one. There's a definite different between mass produced devices (where companies try to use cheap and easy to get materials to effectively produce large quantities in a short frame of time) and home made products where dedication and care goes into each device. A thin aluminum shell and a plastic body against a milled aluminum block full body. There's no discussion in longevity here. Voltage drop for better battery life and sub ohm coils, after the sub ohm kit gets released the REO goes to the top mechs regarding voltage drop. Even easy to install mods can make the voltage drop surpass or on pair with the highest quality mechs on the market. I did not have the chance to test voltage drop on the Vmod, anyone that has tested it thoroughly feel free to share.
If the Vmod costed, say, $50-$60, it'd be reasonable. But for the price, it doesn't have the qualities to justify the price IMHO. I've personally talked with Rob (the maker of the REO) several times, and not exactly a 5 minute call. He likes to talk to his customers, and has many fascinating plans for REO products in the future. Due to the recent surge of mods to get the best voltage drop, he got interested, even warned everyone of how unsafe it was, and decided to come up with his own sub ohm kit. You can't influence a company, nor get it to notice something like that. I'll take a family-like environment over a company-to-customer mass produced product any day. Someone suggested a 26650 REO, a hybrid REO, all of that he listens to it, and makes plans for it. You pay $144 for not only the product.
There IS a reason why said products get such praise, and the qualities that we praise are none short of being the truth. When you find something that gives you joy, that you are extremely happy with it, it is only natural you try to share it and have others try it as well and see it the way you do. So a REO is over priced, the Vmod must look ridiculously priced then.
I owned a Provari and I saw its quality, for what it is and what it's meant to be, it is top quality. At Reoville we are just like a family and we try to share our joy with the rest. We believe if it worked for us, and it was so amazing for us, it could be for others too. I'm sure the Provari owners aren't different. When people bad mouth something you like, you get defensive and that's natural instinct. There's no reason for me to buy any other mod unless I wanted to collect them. Why would I? To achieve a similar/identical vape but different shape/quality/durability/convenience (most likely lower)? If a realistic price is of concern, build your own cheap bottom feeder mod. Who cares if it breaks in a year, you can build a new one cheap and yourself.
I often wonder if those that can't praise/understand why we praise our products with the passion we do is because what they own does not really satisfy them. If a freaking eGo with a Protank on it makes me the happiest vaper on Earth, I'd praise it just as much as I praise the REO.
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This. The best mod in the world is the one that makes you happy and keeps you from smoking.
Thought this thread was "RBAs for Vmod". Again, I find a Reo sales pitch. 
Sure wish China would drill out the center pin on some of their RDAs and make them BF friendly.
Sure wish China would drill out the center pin on some of their RDAs and make them BF friendly.
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There IS a reason why said products get such praise, and the qualities that we praise are none short of being the truth. When you find something that gives you joy, that you are extremely happy with it, it is only natural you try to share it and have others try it as well and see it the way you do. So a Ferrari is over priced, the Ford Expedition must look ridiculously priced then.
I owned a Bently and I saw its quality, for what it is and what it's meant to be, it is top quality. At Ferrariville we are just like a family and we try to share our joy with the rest. We believe if it worked for us, and it was so amazing for us, it could be for others too. I'm sure the Bently owners aren't different. When people bad mouth something you like, you get defensive and that's natural instinct. There's no reason for me to buy any other vehicleunless I wanted to collect them. Why would I? To achieve a similar/identical ride but different shape/quality/durability/convenience (most likely lower)? If a realistic price is of concern, build your own buggy. Who cares if it breaks in a year, you can build a new one cheap and yourself.
I often wonder if those that can't praise/understand why we praise our products with the passion we do is because what they own does not really satisfy them. If a freaking Ford Expedition with a LPG tank on it makes me the happiest driver on Earth, I'd praise it just as much as I praise the Farrari.
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You completely missed the point if you were referring to my post. There is a reason behind every product's fanbase. Also you substituted VMOD for Ford Expedition, and at the end you substituted the eGo for Ford Expedition as well. So in your car-reference VMOD=eGo?Thought this thread was "RBAs for Vmod". Again, I find a Reo sales pitch.
Sure wish China would drill out the center pin on some of their RDAs and make them BF friendly.
And the main point is:
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Thought this thread was "RBAs for Vmod". Again, I find a Reo sales pitch.
Sure wish China would drill out the center pin on some of their RDAs and make them BF friendly.
I find it funny that some people just don't care what the topic of a thread is... They will stop at nothing to push their views onto any thread they want... I think its subliminal, that whenever the VMod is mentioned, they think its ok to disrupt the thread with mentions of the overpriced APV they are vaping... No worries though, there are a few different RBA's that are easily drilled for use on our beloved VMod... I have an Igo-L drilled for use on my XL. It took my vaping experience to a whole new level!! Check out this thread, there is some good info in there.... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ge-vmod-xl-rba-squid-rda-bottom-feed-mod.html
You seem to have overlooked the part of the OP that specifically says the VMOD should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as a REO. That alone should already let you know both VMod fans and REO fans are going to discuss it.
I already gave you a lengthy reply which either you ignored or overlooked. 95% of the people that try the REO (figurative number going for the impressions new owners post, # of REOs on the classifieds with the reason why it's there) including people I've gotten to buy one, are blown away by its quality. Yet we go for that 5% to find out what went wrong and if we can help, after all no one likes buying an expensive mod and not like it. If it just isn't for you (as you are part of that 5%) then good luck on your quest to find the perfect mod for you.
It applies both ways. How many times have I seen someone inquire about Provaris and just have people show up saying "Save yourself the money and get an (Evic, Vamo, Seleigei, etc), it's not worth the money!"? Countless times, we all push our beloved mods out there.
Yes, I read the OP and overlooked nothing at all. He specifically asked if there was an RBA that would work on the Vmod, not the REO!! I don't think you read what he specifically said...
Never once did I say the REO wasn't a quality APV!! I actually said, "I am not knocking the REO or the Provari as they are both, quality APV's, but there is a limit as to what I am willing to pay for said quality and both are way overpriced in my opinion..." I have also said it was an overpriced APV on more than one occasion. I even posted, (prior to you being a member), that I was interested in the possibility of purchasing one. That of course went straight out the door when I did a price analysis of the device and read a little further into the cult that is REOville. I am just another of those people that are tired of having the device shoved in our face in every thread that is started about the Vmod... My quest ended when I purchased my Vmod XL, (for $45.00). I need look no further. I have found "my" perfect vape...
No need for you to rebut my response, as I will just ignore it as I did the last time you went on a fanboy rant....
You DID overlook that statement, you can't deny that by bashing the VMOD in the OP, you won't get a clash of both. That's flat out irrealistic.
Call it cult or what you will, it's a family of happy vapers full of enthusiasm that sticks to people as soon as they get in.
Fanboy rant? Again, you overlook all of my points, specially when I said once again that the best device is the one that keeps you off analogs. For you, it's your VMOD and that's great. And on top of that I specifically said there's a misconception that different bottom feeders give a better vape, that what matters the most is the feeding system. Then again why go to the extent of explaining anything to you if you resumed my whole detailed post in a "fanboy rant"? Just shows your level of understanding.
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You completely missed the point if you were referring to my post. There is a reason behind every product's fanbase. Also you substituted VMOD for Ford Expedition, and at the end you substituted the eGo for Ford Expedition as well. So in your car-reference VMOD=eGo?
Yep these 70+ years but my point was made. By the way I also have a Reo or two plus a few thousand dollars more in vaping paraphernalia. Been building mods for a long time and resented that you insinuate DIY are less quality. I have probably been building mine longer than REO. Just don't sell them, but many friends and family are very happy with them. Made my first 5v MOD in 2008.
I did not say DIY mods are less quality, there was one guy that said he could build a box mod in 1/2 hour for $15. While that might be entirely possible, it won't be a quality device (quality refers to many aspects such as durability, easy of use, easy to mod, versatility, convenience, materials, etc). Anyone can get into making their own mods and with the right materials, dedication and equipment make a high end quality mod. But if you are adept at building your own mod you don't really need something that'll last a lifetime, since you can rebuild it should it ever break. Hence the "If a realistic price is of concern, build your own cheap bottom feeder mod. Who cares if it breaks in a year, you can build a new one cheap and yourself." Ultimately I think if one can learn how to make their own mod, that's epic. You don't rely on the manufacturer, no concerns about warranty, quality, materials, etc., you know what's in there, you know you can make it and improve it without being chained to whatever design another manufacturer chose. I myself would love to get into DIY bottom feeders in the future. However right now I'm looking like crazy trying to find ADVs, and don't really have a motive to DIY at the moment. In the future? Who knows. The gear I have might be around 30+ years from now, but by then I'm sure e-cig technology will have evolved some interesting upgrades.Yep these 70+ years but my point was made. By the way I also have a Reo or two plus a few thousand dollars more in vaping paraphernalia. Been building mods for a long time and resented that you insinuate DIY are less quality. I have probably been building mine longer than REO. Just don't sell them, but many friends and family are very happy with them. Made my first 5v MOD in 2008.
I could not possibly insinuate that DIY mods are less quality, that'd be contradicting when the REOs themselves are a DIY bottom feeder, each handmade by Rob.
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I'm sorry -- I really don't think that is true. Rob may inspect every mod, and I'm sure he keeps a close watch on the affairs of his business and products. But, he has certainly had staff help assemble his mods and I can't quite imagine that he doesn't now. He has repair personnel, too.
And, to be picky, he has not handmade ANY of them except the woodvils and the cases for the vv woodvilles. I am 98% certain others assembled the VV woodville units. Alas, some people don't like custom wood mods and mass producing metal cases is a way to be cheaper, faster and make a business venture grow. I commend Rob for doing so.
This is no cut on Rob, his product, or his business at all. Part of the problem of the fanboism that the objectivity gets lost. And, sometimes very unintentionally the infatuated viewpoints are accepted as universally true......and misguided assumptions are made and one passes on fanboi statements without even knowing they are doing so. (see definition below)
In actuality, much about the Vmod and the Reo and the business owners are quite similar!
Both companies were started by ECF members and continue to be ECF Registered Suppliers. Both are American designed by Americans in the USA. Both have businesses they have built up to be successful.
Both get parts made by factories of one sort or another. Both sell products that are not made in the USA. (Vapage more than Reo) Both have assembly workers, with perhaps different titles Vapage owns and safekeeps part of the equipment required to make a Vmod to protect their interest in the model. Rob has done similar functions.
Both have made big changes in the world of Mods. (I believe Rob designed and made the first bottom feeding mod for sale & other feats and Vapage was the first to create a new type of feeding chamber & unique design.) One could say that Reo designed and made the first mass produced feeder model with the grand so more vapers could enjoy his product. Vapage designed and made the first mass produced in China so it would be cheaper to sell and could be mass marketed.
Both have made changes to their Bottom Feeders based on what we, the consumer, want. Both have had exceptional customer service from the owners of the companies. (I can't say either company has not had complaints). Both have had out of stock issues. Both sell popular well respected attys. And,
both are mechs. Both use aluminum, too. And, both have a small number of employees, most likely under 10 for each.
I could go on and on and I could also do lists and lists of the differences. Perhaps the only biggest one is their company models. In that, they are starkly different. One is a manufacturer/retailer based in the USA selling through a very wonderful forum. The other is a manufacturer/wholesaler based in the USA who is now also Retailing direct through on line sales.
Now -- which is a better company? Is one more inferior than the other? Just like any mod or any delivery system----most of it is opinion.
I'm going to make this really long. I like to review this once and awhile. It's from Urban Dictionary.
"1. fanboi
Someone who is hopelessly devoted to something and will like anything associated with their particular thing.
2. fanboi
Geek Term related to forum users who think a product/company/person can do no wrong.
3. Fanboi
fanbois typically spend most of their free time telling anyone who will listen how perfect thier console of choice is, and how inferior all other products are. fanbois will not stop annoying other people until everyone they know is converted to their way of thinking."
And -- to get back to topic. It's easy to use Reo and Vmod in the same sentence. It's even easy to have them in the same household.
And, it would be good if there were more RBA's made for feeders --- but it seems to me feeder fans are a limited market these days.
And, to be picky, he has not handmade ANY of them except the woodvils and the cases for the vv woodvilles. I am 98% certain others assembled the VV woodville units. Alas, some people don't like custom wood mods and mass producing metal cases is a way to be cheaper, faster and make a business venture grow. I commend Rob for doing so.
This is no cut on Rob, his product, or his business at all. Part of the problem of the fanboism that the objectivity gets lost. And, sometimes very unintentionally the infatuated viewpoints are accepted as universally true......and misguided assumptions are made and one passes on fanboi statements without even knowing they are doing so. (see definition below)
In actuality, much about the Vmod and the Reo and the business owners are quite similar!
Both companies were started by ECF members and continue to be ECF Registered Suppliers. Both are American designed by Americans in the USA. Both have businesses they have built up to be successful.
Both get parts made by factories of one sort or another. Both sell products that are not made in the USA. (Vapage more than Reo) Both have assembly workers, with perhaps different titles
Vapage owns and safekeeps part of the equipment required to make a Vmod to protect their interest in the model. Rob has done similar functions.Both have made big changes in the world of Mods. (I believe Rob designed and made the first bottom feeding mod for sale & other feats and Vapage was the first to create a new type of feeding chamber & unique design.) One could say that Reo designed and made the first mass produced feeder model with the grand so more vapers could enjoy his product. Vapage designed and made the first mass produced in China so it would be cheaper to sell and could be mass marketed.
Both have made changes to their Bottom Feeders based on what we, the consumer, want. Both have had exceptional customer service from the owners of the companies. (I can't say either company has not had complaints). Both have had out of stock issues. Both sell popular well respected attys. And,
both are mechs. Both use aluminum, too. And, both have a small number of employees, most likely under 10 for each. I could go on and on and I could also do lists and lists of the differences. Perhaps the only biggest one is their company models. In that, they are starkly different. One is a manufacturer/retailer based in the USA selling through a very wonderful forum. The other is a manufacturer/wholesaler based in the USA who is now also Retailing direct through on line sales.
Now -- which is a better company? Is one more inferior than the other? Just like any mod or any delivery system----most of it is opinion.
I'm going to make this really long. I like to review this once and awhile. It's from Urban Dictionary.
"1. fanboi
Someone who is hopelessly devoted to something and will like anything associated with their particular thing.
2. fanboi
Geek Term related to forum users who think a product/company/person can do no wrong.
3. Fanboi
fanbois typically spend most of their free time telling anyone who will listen how perfect thier console of choice is, and how inferior all other products are. fanbois will not stop annoying other people until everyone they know is converted to their way of thinking."
And -- to get back to topic. It's easy to use Reo and Vmod in the same sentence. It's even easy to have them in the same household.
And, it would be good if there were more RBA's made for feeders --- but it seems to me feeder fans are a limited market these days.
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That one was a mistake on my part, as when I said handmade I was thinking of back when the first REOs came out, made of wood. At their core mods are just DIY that turned out to be of great reliability/the maker decided to market them. If you make a DIY mod and you see an opportunity to market it and sell it, you have to change your production that's for sure. However, at its core it was simply a successful DIY and you just improve the manufacturing process to make it feasible for mass producing. That's why I said I could not bash DIY mods, because at their core the REO, VMod, etc., were but DIY attempts.I'm sorry -- I really don't think that is true. Rob may inspect every mod, and I'm sure he keeps a close watch on the affairs of his business and products. But, he has certainly had staff help assemble his mods and I can't quite imagine that he doesn't now. He has repair personnel, too.
And, to be picky, he has not handmade ANY of them except the woodvils and the cases for the vv woodvilles. I am 98% certain others assembled the VV woodville units. Alas, some people don't like custom wood mods and mass producing metal cases is a way to be cheaper, faster and make a business venture grow. I commend Rob for doing so.
This is no cut on Rob, his product, or his business at all. Part of the problem of the fanboism that the objectivity gets lost. And, sometimes very unintentionally the infatuated viewpoints are accepted as universally true......and misguided assumptions are made and one passes on fanboi statements without even knowing they are doing so. (see definition below)
In actuality, much about the Vmod and the Reo and the business owners are quite similar!
Both companies were started by ECF members and continue to be ECF Registered Suppliers. Both are American designed by Americans in the USA. Both have businesses they have built up to be successful.
Both have made changes to their Bottom Feeders based on what we, the consumer, want. Both have had exceptional customer service from the owners of the companies. (I can't say either company has not had complaints). Both have had out of stock issues. Both sell popular well respected attys. And,
I could go on and on and I could also do lists and lists of the differences. Perhaps the only biggest one is their company models. In that, they are starkly different. One is a manufacturer/retailer based in the USA selling through a very wonderful forum. The other is a manufacturer/wholesaler based in the USA who is now also Retailing direct through on line sales.
Now -- which is a better company? Is one more inferior than the other? Just like any mod or any delivery system----most of it is opinion.
I'm going to make this really long. I like to review this once and awhile. It's from Urban Dictionary.
"1. fanboi
Someone who is hopelessly devoted to something and will like anything associated with their particular thing.
2. fanboi
Geek Term related to forum users who think a product/company/person can do no wrong.
3. Fanboi
fanbois typically spend most of their free time telling anyone who will listen how perfect thier console of choice is, and how inferior all other products are. fanbois will not stop annoying other people until everyone they know is converted to their way of thinking."
I'm pretty sure he himself plays a big role in assembling the REOs, or at least more than just inspecting them. There are many differences and similarities, but one that I really loved was simply calling Rob at any time and having a lengthy conversation with him. I've done so about 5 times already. That kind of interaction is simply unique. I don't see the REOs as a mass produced unit, simply because if you inspect the site, you'll see a bunch of out of stock REOs and most of them have a small number in stock. They are updated daily. I cannot see that as mass produced.
4. Fanboi
A person who owns an item/product that has earned a very special place due to its merits thus will praise and support it vividly.
I've never called the Vmod trash though. If someone asks what's the best mod, I'll say the one that keeps you off analogs, but I'm pretty sure they are going for another answer, so I'll say a REO. You'll say Vmod, someone will say Provari, or Evic, etc. But as long as they ask, my answer will be REO along with what I think is the reason. If I said otherwise, I'd be flat out lying.
Oh and, it's not opinion it's facts!!!!!!
(I agree, it depends on the person, there will always be someone that won't like your mod despite how good it may be for you)
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If I were in the market for a woodvil, jcalis, how would I get one? Would Rob be amenable to taking a request? I think that's his most lovely product, but I doubt there's much hope for getting one, so Reo sits quite low on my wish list. I do not care for the aluminum bodies... at all.
Rob at the moment is focused on releasing a sub ohm kit for the mechanical REOs. As far as the last video he posted on a 0.39 ohm coil the drop was only 0.35V. Then again that's for the select number of people (me included) that do really low sub ohms.
After that he said the Woodvils are next. Also a hybrid REO and a 26650 battery REO are on his plans, but it remains a speculation all he has said is he wants to do small runs of such devices. I'd give him a call but I'm pretty sure until he gets the sub ohm kit out (because he became really concerned with all the modding we were doing and the safety of them) he won't start with the Woodvils.
They should come out soonish though, maybe by the end of the year or before. We have been asking for them for quite some time, he knows it and when they pop out they'll probably go just as fast. I'm the opposite, I just want one or two, because durability sits really high on my list of things I look on a mod. However, like you, a wood box mod is just really nice to have, care for and protect
Eddie, I've been thinking about trying the Trident clone from FT on my XL and found your post. How do you like it? Anything unusual required to modify it?
I like it but, dual coils is a little intense for me. I've rendered it to a dripping on a tube mod rba at home.
Modding for BF is relatively easy. Remove and drill through the center positive screw. Then two holes through the top...
I never setup with a single coil and the trident is very versatile. Bunch of different air inlets. I actually drilled another small inlet across from the smallest because I didn't like the size of the standard dual inlets...
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