Scott, did you already try cutting one layer to fit and then moistening it to make it expand a bit to seal better?
Reservoir Straw & Plug Mod (RSP Mod)
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Oh, sorry. As I said, I don't know what stuff is called around there and didn't realize this was already thrown out there
Not a problem - all ideas are welcome!!Oh, sorry. As I said, I don't know what stuff is called around there and didn't realize this was already thrown out there
Kristin,
As soon as the bridge hit the material it "dimpled" and pulled away from the edge of the cart cavity. Dumped 15 drops into the atty. Bleh!
I've said this before.... if the manufacturer made the cup extension on the cart about 1/8" shorter.. and then took a membrane material like the ShamWow and molded it into a snap-on ring cap for the cart cup.... that would be pretty close to perfection.
I may actually make one of these for myself since I have the equipment... but I'm not going to tell anybody. `Cuz then you'd all want one! ;-)
I may actually make one of these for myself since I have the equipment... but I'm not going to tell anybody. `Cuz then you'd all want one! ;-)
You know those key identifiers?
Something like that (obviously smaller & same shape as the cart,) with the filler in the middle, that pops into the end of the cart!
Something like that (obviously smaller & same shape as the cart,) with the filler in the middle, that pops into the end of the cart!
I have been trying to think of some use for the little silicone/rubber translucent cartridge covers.
What I wanted to do is remove all filler and cover the end of the cartridge with this (as it comes when you purchase new filled cartridges). It would have to be attached somehow as to not allow it to fall off or into the atomizer. Once its attached poke a pin sized hole in the center of it. Since this is at the very end of the cart you will have to mod the atomizer by removing the nickel foam that usually sticks up a bit and comes into contact with the cart.
So now what? Well the idea is that you would be able to squirt juice in a tiny stream directly onto the atomizer by applying pressure somehow to the cartridge.
Still thinking about this one. Straw mod for extension would allow for more juice, squeez-ablity, and prevent one from having to mod the atomizer by removing the nickel foam cone.
Hmmm....
Get back to you on this.
What I wanted to do is remove all filler and cover the end of the cartridge with this (as it comes when you purchase new filled cartridges). It would have to be attached somehow as to not allow it to fall off or into the atomizer. Once its attached poke a pin sized hole in the center of it. Since this is at the very end of the cart you will have to mod the atomizer by removing the nickel foam that usually sticks up a bit and comes into contact with the cart.
So now what? Well the idea is that you would be able to squirt juice in a tiny stream directly onto the atomizer by applying pressure somehow to the cartridge.
Still thinking about this one. Straw mod for extension would allow for more juice, squeez-ablity, and prevent one from having to mod the atomizer by removing the nickel foam cone.
Hmmm....
Get back to you on this.
You know those key identifiers?
Something like that (obviously smaller & same shape as the cart,) with the filler in the middle, that pops into the end of the cart!
You're on the right track.... a small pop-on ring like that with the membrane permanently molded or otherwise affixed in the opening.
T'would work wonderfully.... I'm pretty confident.
I just have to say you guys and gals are great...I am very new to vaping, and honestly, reading every post in this thread, I am so totally lost, and I am a pretty smart guy. LOL
Is this creating an extension to your existing carts or is it something you are putting in your carts to allow more fluid?
I am assuming of course that all carts work pretty much like the ones I have, whether they are whistle tip or whatever...and will someone please correct me if I am wrong...you have the plastic sleeve, which is formed to make the whistle tip or whatever, then inside that is the actual cartridge filled with the poly fill and fluid...that cartridge is designed so that when you draw on the tip (for autos) that the vapor moves around the outside of the cartridge and through the hole on the tip.
I guess i don't understand how the purpose of the straw and plug...if you filled the whole of the plastic sleeve with fluid, wouldn't you then intake that fluid when you took a draw?
and I am sorry if this post is in the wrong place...just tryin to learn something here
Is this creating an extension to your existing carts or is it something you are putting in your carts to allow more fluid?
I am assuming of course that all carts work pretty much like the ones I have, whether they are whistle tip or whatever...and will someone please correct me if I am wrong...you have the plastic sleeve, which is formed to make the whistle tip or whatever, then inside that is the actual cartridge filled with the poly fill and fluid...that cartridge is designed so that when you draw on the tip (for autos) that the vapor moves around the outside of the cartridge and through the hole on the tip.
I guess i don't understand how the purpose of the straw and plug...if you filled the whole of the plastic sleeve with fluid, wouldn't you then intake that fluid when you took a draw?
and I am sorry if this post is in the wrong place...just tryin to learn something here
Darmeen,
No problem. At first it may be tough to understand the actual "flow" of materials on a standard cart. The cart has an inner well that holds the fluid. Vapor never flows through this well or cup, it is sealed at the "bottom". Typically this well is filled with polyfill, and then that polyfill is soaked with e-liquid.
The e-liquid "wicks" out of the polyfill and is absorbed by the atomizer bridge, which is in contact with the exposed end of the well. The mesh material on the bridge (and the wick on a 510) carries the e-liquid down to the hot coil, where it is atomized and vaporized. This creates the vapor. There are air vents on the battery end of the atomizer. When you draw on the mouth piece, air enters these holes, mixes with the vapor and the vapor flows around the inner cartridge well (it is tube in a tube), through the mouthpiece. and into your mouth. So for the e-liquid.. it initially flows away from your mouth, becomes vaporized.. and then flows back toward your mouth.
There are actually diagrams and schematics for this somewhere on the forum.
Anyway... what we are trying to do is improve on the cartridges ability to hold liquid, and then feed it to the atomizer in a controlled fashion. And we're trying to reduce the amount of liquid that gets left in the cartridge.. liquid that you can't get to wick out of the cartridge and onto the bridge.
This mod removes almost all of the filler from the well in the cartridge... so there is only raw liquid in there. Then a small layer (plug) of some porous, absorbent material (poly, Scotch Brite, etc..) is placed between the raw liquid and the atomizer bridge... creating the throttling wick, and stopping the raw liquid from just dumping into the atomizer.. or leaking out of the whole PV. And in this specific case, a straw is only used as a spacer, holding the plug in the correct position so that it will properly contact the atomizer bridge.
Whew.... does any of that help?
No problem. At first it may be tough to understand the actual "flow" of materials on a standard cart. The cart has an inner well that holds the fluid. Vapor never flows through this well or cup, it is sealed at the "bottom". Typically this well is filled with polyfill, and then that polyfill is soaked with e-liquid.
The e-liquid "wicks" out of the polyfill and is absorbed by the atomizer bridge, which is in contact with the exposed end of the well. The mesh material on the bridge (and the wick on a 510) carries the e-liquid down to the hot coil, where it is atomized and vaporized. This creates the vapor. There are air vents on the battery end of the atomizer. When you draw on the mouth piece, air enters these holes, mixes with the vapor and the vapor flows around the inner cartridge well (it is tube in a tube), through the mouthpiece. and into your mouth. So for the e-liquid.. it initially flows away from your mouth, becomes vaporized.. and then flows back toward your mouth.
There are actually diagrams and schematics for this somewhere on the forum.
Anyway... what we are trying to do is improve on the cartridges ability to hold liquid, and then feed it to the atomizer in a controlled fashion. And we're trying to reduce the amount of liquid that gets left in the cartridge.. liquid that you can't get to wick out of the cartridge and onto the bridge.
This mod removes almost all of the filler from the well in the cartridge... so there is only raw liquid in there. Then a small layer (plug) of some porous, absorbent material (poly, Scotch Brite, etc..) is placed between the raw liquid and the atomizer bridge... creating the throttling wick, and stopping the raw liquid from just dumping into the atomizer.. or leaking out of the whole PV. And in this specific case, a straw is only used as a spacer, holding the plug in the correct position so that it will properly contact the atomizer bridge.
Whew.... does any of that help?
Basically what Scott said. Look at the image again. (This is JUST the cartridge and not the atomizer, This is the part that gets attached to the atomizer.)
The grey area is where the liquid/filler goes. Notice how it's not open to the hole in the mouthpiece at all? The liquid soaks into the blue stuff and then the blue stuff (filler) touches the atomizer once it's attached. The area around the atomizer fills with vapor, which is then sucked through those channekls along the sides of the cartridge.
Does that make sense?
The grey area is where the liquid/filler goes. Notice how it's not open to the hole in the mouthpiece at all? The liquid soaks into the blue stuff and then the blue stuff (filler) touches the atomizer once it's attached. The area around the atomizer fills with vapor, which is then sucked through those channekls along the sides of the cartridge.
Does that make sense?
Got it...thanks to both of you...i guess its because I am using this SE Gold (and the cartridge is buried deep in the mouthpiece, whereas all the pics and videos I have watched about this mod, it seemed very different than what I am holding in my hands right now...it totally makes sense to me now.
and yes, I know that if I use a bent paperclip or something similar I can push the cartridge out of the mouth piece for filling.
its a great idea, and when I finally get some e-fluid, I will try it out...
and yes, I know that if I use a bent paperclip or something similar I can push the cartridge out of the mouth piece for filling.
its a great idea, and when I finally get some e-fluid, I will try it out...
I've got a SE Gold laying around here somewhere.... might just give it a try.
I've also got a M702 (Revolver)... which is a tiny PV reminiscent of the SE Gold design. I'm going to steal a straw off of the kids juice box or a Capri Sun (small straws) and try it with that unit too.
I've also got a M702 (Revolver)... which is a tiny PV reminiscent of the SE Gold design. I'm going to steal a straw off of the kids juice box or a Capri Sun (small straws) and try it with that unit too.
I was thinking more like it slide INTO the cart. The rubber texture would hold it in place. Or a small ring molded into the cart about 4mm down. Like a cork. It'd only be about 3-4mm thick. Of course, now that I think about it, how would you get it out to refill? Umm...yeah - a cap or hinge would be better! LOL
I am vaping with a DSE901. I am pretty new to this and I appreciate the time all of you have spent explaining how all this works. I have a few questions, and so they don't get lost in this long post, I'm putting them in a bold font. I have been vaping for about a month now and I see that I'm going through what I think is an awful lot of e-liquid (almost 24 ml in a month - is that a lot for someone who used to smoke a pack a day?) and I think a lot is wasted.
I tried the mod with a spring and ended up putting two springs in there because there is no notch inside the "whistle" type mouthpiece. Works okay, I'll have to see how long that liquid lasts in there. Then I tried the mod with the straw and I just used the poly fill that comes with the cartridges. Also works okay, but again, I'll have to see how long the liquid lasts in there. I have to say, I am getting a lot of liquid in my mouth with the straw mod, am I doing something wrong?
Also, I frequently hear a sort of bubbling sound when I draw on the e-cig. Is that normal?
I rarely get the kind of vapor I see coming out of e-cigs I see in video reviews. What's up with that?
Finally, where do I get the little banner at the bottom that says how many cigarettes I have avoided and how much money I have saved? I'd like to add that to any post I make from now on (this is my first). Thanks again!
I tried the mod with a spring and ended up putting two springs in there because there is no notch inside the "whistle" type mouthpiece. Works okay, I'll have to see how long that liquid lasts in there. Then I tried the mod with the straw and I just used the poly fill that comes with the cartridges. Also works okay, but again, I'll have to see how long the liquid lasts in there. I have to say, I am getting a lot of liquid in my mouth with the straw mod, am I doing something wrong?
Also, I frequently hear a sort of bubbling sound when I draw on the e-cig. Is that normal?
I rarely get the kind of vapor I see coming out of e-cigs I see in video reviews. What's up with that?
Finally, where do I get the little banner at the bottom that says how many cigarettes I have avoided and how much money I have saved? I'd like to add that to any post I make from now on (this is my first). Thanks again!
I will let someone else who actually has that banner assist with the question above
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"I rarely get the kind of vapor I see coming out of e-cigs I see in video reviews. What's up with that?"
Those reviewers have been doing this a while, and it seems like video reviewers like to produce vapor so they go a bit crazy/unrealistic. I highly doubt that they normally vape like that - I think it's just for show.
"Finally, where do I get the little banner at the bottom that says how many cigarettes I have avoided and how much money I have saved?"
For most, if you click on the banner it will take you to a page where you can make your own. Then they give you the code to put into your signature. You may have to wait until you get 15 posts before you can add it to your sig though.
Those reviewers have been doing this a while, and it seems like video reviewers like to produce vapor so they go a bit crazy/unrealistic. I highly doubt that they normally vape like that - I think it's just for show.
"Finally, where do I get the little banner at the bottom that says how many cigarettes I have avoided and how much money I have saved?"
For most, if you click on the banner it will take you to a page where you can make your own. Then they give you the code to put into your signature. You may have to wait until you get 15 posts before you can add it to your sig though.
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