Rig Mod Explodes

[crxess]

That means no one should build lower than 0.13 ohms when using this battery. Obviously, other batteries by other manufacturers are going to have a lower cdr, so should have a higher resistance coil build.

Please include the words Mechanical Mod in making this statement.
Many Regulated TC mods work fine with .08ohm builds with no overloading, as the resistance is a reference to set a base line for Exotic wires to regulate temperature.

dna
SXJ

My personal SX Mini M Class operates a Nickel coil at .097(dual coils) and is never beyond slightly warm after considerable use.

Obviously a Mechanical Mod would rapidly kill a battery at this low resistance and is dangerous in anyone's hand.

To many members read and accept without understanding application.

 

[Baditude]

Please include the words Mechanical Mod in making this statement.
Many Regulated TC mods work fine with .08ohm builds with no overloading, as the resistance is a reference to set a base line for Exotic wires to regulate temperature.


Obviously a Mechanical Mod would rapidly kill a battery at this low resistance and is dangerous in anyone's hand.

To many member read and accept without understanding application.

Point noted and my post has been edited.

Most vape competitions and cloud chasing contests involve mechanical mods exclusively, so that was where my head was at.

 

[crxess]

Point noted and my post has been edited.

Most vape competitions and cloud chasing contests involve mechanical mods exclusively, so that was where my head was at.

Agreed.............though I am wondering how long that will last with advancing regulated mods

Yes, I make clouds.
No, I don't chase Bigger clouds

 

[DC2]

I avoid being around people using mech mods. I call them suicide bombers. If the tubes were adequately vented I might feel differently.

Yes, flamethrowers are safer than pipe bombs.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Yes, flamethrowers are safer than pipe bombs.

Flamethrowers are also actually legal to own.

 

[beckdg]

The best battery with the highest continuous discharge rate has a true 32A CDR (according to Mooch's research).
LG HB6 Pink 30A 1500mAh 18650 Bench Test Results...great 32A/1500mAh battery, better than ivory HB6

That means no one should build lower than 0.13 ohms when using this battery for a mech mod. Obviously, other batteries by other manufacturers are going to have a lower cdr, so should have a higher resistance coil build.

But I agree with Bad Ninja. It wouldn't have mattered in the case of the OP. Putting batteries in upside down is a poor idea.

And that's in his tests...

Which don't supply a large enough sample size from enough runs to say conclusively that these batteries will always ... or even usually ... perform to these standards.

Nor could he test batteries to that extent.

He's one man doing this in his free time.

This is evidenced by his retesting of several cells providing different outcomes.

Better safe than sorry.

Especially if you have a black cloud over you, are clumsy, forgetful, over confident (any male under age 30), uninformed or under-informed.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

Flamethrowers are also actually legal to own.

So is TNT.

Tapatyped

 

[crxess]

So is TNT.

Tapatyped

Taco'a
Nacho's
Tortilla's

 

[beckdg]

Taco'a
Nacho's
Tortilla's

I was thinking something a bit less dangerous in the John.

Just a smidgen.

Tapatyped

 

[rhelton]

So it seems everyone here already agrees it was a short not the build? Wow, unexpectedly quick.

Robert I don't know for sure the battery didn't survive.

Top three things that I thought of while reading this.

1) Faulty battery - Never can be ruled out of a incident like this. The manufacturers are not perfect just like us.

2) Dead short - This could be a list of many things but lets keep this about the hardware. Faulty insulator in the atty or mod etc.

3) Human error- The employee dismantled the device he could have put it together wrong, or a piece of kanthal could have gotten in somewhere. A insulator may have been left out or improperly installed etc.

4) Ohm's too low - Yes it was built very low IMO, lower than I would want a device in a mechanical. In a regulated device is something all together different. I do not think in this instance this is why the cell exploded but it is a possibility that cannot be ruled out.

I think that either the cell was faulty from the factory or human error by the store employee. Could be other things but for something to short that quickly it narrows the options down a little.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Top three things that I thought of while reading this.

1) Faulty battery - Never can be ruled out of a incident like this. The manufacturers are not perfect just like us.

2) Dead short - This could be a list of many things but lets keep this about the hardware. Faulty insulator in the atty or mod etc.

3) Human error- The employee dismantled the device he could have put it together wrong, or a piece of kanthal could have gotten in somewhere. A insulator may have been left out or improperly installed etc.

4) Ohm's too low - Yes it was built very low IMO, lower than I would want a device in a mechanical. In a regulated device is something all together different. I do not think in this instance this is why the cell exploded but it is a possibility that cannot be ruled out.

I think that either the cell was faulty from the factory or human error by the store employee. Could be other things but for something to short that quickly it narrows the options down a little.

It wasnt a faulty battery.

The battery was installed upside down by a careless idiot who shouldnt have been allowed to touch a mech.

100% user error.

 

[rhelton]

It wasnt a faulty battery.

The battery was installed upside down by a careless idiot who shouldnt have been allowed to touch a mech.

100% user error.

I did put in my post user error by the employee. I am not sure why a upside down battery would cause it too explode though, upside down in a mech is not a dead short.

 

[Bad Ninja]

I did put in my post user error by the employee. I am not sure why a upside down battery would cause it too explode though, upside down in a mech is not a dead short.

It is if the wrapper becomes torn.

In fact thats EXACTLY what would happen.
Battery swells and pops at the positive end, blows switch apart because its installed upside down.


Its painfully obvious what happened.

 

[rhelton]

It is if the wrapper becomes torn.

In fact thats EXACTLY what would happen.
Battery swells and pops at the positive end, blows switch apart because its installed upside down.


Its painfully obvious what happened.

Not really obvious, we do not know what happened really and never will. We can only make educated guesses.

 

[crxess]

Actually, Op could get clarification as the Battery itself likely never left the tube. The explosive gasses blew out the switch. Action/Reaction Battery and unit would be pushed away from the switch assemble, together.

*Note:
I have seen Mods designed to be safe with Positive down batteries. I agree with their innovation.
I would much rather have a Switch or massive bottom venting action than suffer an Atty/Tank to the face.

Note 2 - RIG is a Battery Lift Switch Device. Even with a Center pin, it can Auto Fire if improperly adjusted.
The switch pin is Domed slightly, so it is possible a inverted Battery may not dead short, but would still be vulnerable to Auto-fire.

Did this Battery Explode..............................or violently Vent?

We are Clearly missing a Part in the Photo. The Actual Switch Pin that Drops in from the top side.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Not really obvious, we do not know what happened really and never will. We can only make educated guesses.

Yes it is.
If you understand how a battery vents its obvious.

Only one scenario woukd cause that mod to exolode that way

If it walks like a duck and has webbed feet, its probably a duck.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

The Rig V1 has a top center pin the V2 does not it is a hybrid topcap design.

 

[rhelton]

Actually, Op could get clarification as the Battery itself likely never left the tube. The explosive gasses blew out the switch. Action/Reaction Battery and unit would be pushed away from the switch assemble, together.

*Note:
I have seen Mods designed to be safe with Positive down batteries. I agree with their innovation.
I would much rather have a Switch or massive bottom venting action than suffer an Atty/Tank to the face.

Note 2 - RIG is a Battery Lift Switch Device. Even with a Center pin, it can Auto Fire if improperly adjusted.
The switch pin is Domed slightly, so it is possible a inverted Battery may not dead short, but would still be vulnerable to Auto-fire.

Did this Battery Explode..............................or violently Vent?

We are Clearly missing a Part in the Photo. The Actual Switch Pin that Drops in from the top side.

Yes we have no pic of the cell so really cannot go much further without one.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Yes we have no pic of the cell so really cannot go much further without one.

Sure you can if you are smart enough to look at the facts in the OP.

Knowledgeable vapers know which end of a battery vents.

Twist the facts all you want.
Ignorance and carelessness caused this accident.
Upside down battery+torn wrapper= instabt short and blown out switch.
Case closed.

Smart vapers will pay attention and learn from this.

Others will argue, and that type of knucklehead will have to eventually pee on the electric fence for themselves before they learn.

 

[crxess]

After re-Reading all the Ops added comments:

As Bad Ninja said, the battery was installed upside down. Almost had to be for an instant short.
The addition of an inverted battery with a 1/2 wrap to a Metal tube with wiggle room likely caused the upper(negative) end to contact the wall of the device.
On depressing the Switch, instant 0.000ohm Dead Short.

I am surprised it Blew out the switch and still had enough pressure force to Blow the pinless ring off the top and eject the battery.
One can only assume the Switch pin blocked the switch center opening diverting gasses to the single (tiny) Relief hole drilled into the Switch mounting plate.

This was not an EXPLOSION but rather a Forced High pressure release. Notice, all the parts are still basically whole.

*What the heck is MXJO thinking, Half Wrapping Batteries?