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BostLabs

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I knew before I ever made this post I was gonna get a lot of hate, but I said what I felt anyways.

Ummm no, I don't want to give you any hate. You are expressing your opinion. Everyone else is too. Not one ever said that everyone would agree. :) Some points, yes. Some points no. But I would never allow myself to try to forbid you to have your own opinion or disallow you the right to express it. Or throw tons of hate to try to silence you.
 
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Since this thread is getting some color into it I would like to add one more thing.

My wife has always had a Horrible time with her sinus. she suffers most of the year, every year and it has only been getting worse with age.
Surprisingly My vaping, 8 months now, has never bothered her. we normally are only 2 feet apart all the time while home. In my search for a comfortable Vape I have been all over the experiment board and never a complaint or even a sneeze out of her.

I have no doubt someone somewhere will have a legitimate allergic reaction however what I have seen for the most part are anti smoking prudes that will accept nothing less than total compliance with their demands.

I'm not trying to be ignorant, just saying there are a lot of ignorant people out there that refuse to even listen much less give anyone a chance.
Then there are times I am amazed at how many people totally ignore me vaping while out in public. Maybe because I nearing 60yr.
 

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I have always been a non smoker and it does not bother one way or another if Vaping gets regulated or taxed. Vapors are a small population of the world who think they are larger than they really are. I give lots of kudos and props to the ones who are doing it right and fighting for their cause. But there are a few bad apples (and many of them post freely here admitting so) that is hurting the cause. Each instance of bad publicity takes MANY good deeds to undo.

It takes 1 disrespectful vapor to get it banned in an establishment. Do it at a large chain, and there are hundreds of places that won't allow vaping.

One person here said he/she would not vape in a courthouse, or near children, and that is very admirable. But since no studies has shown any negative affects on 2nd hand vaping, then why even bother not vaping around children? Or in a courthouse? It comes down to one word... RESPECT. But why be selective with who to respect? What really makes a courthouse different from a movie theater? Or a restaurant? Even though vapor is not unhealthy, do you really think anyone really wants wafts of vape floating around while they are eating?
 

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I never said studies where not done, and I am not saying the vaper itself, but maybe just maybe if you actually READ where I said SCENTS, you would have gotten that

If someone told me the scent of my vapor was bothering them, I would look at them skeptically (especially since my eliquid has little to no scent) but still move away from them out of courtesy.
 

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I do vape around my daughter, although not at her school or gymnastics class. I have explained exactly what it is to her and she is thrilled because Mommy quit smoking. I have also had next to no allergy problems since I switched to vaping as opposed to before when I would wake up sneezing and stopped up every morning. Not to say there are not people with allergies to some of the ingredients.
 

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Second hand vape doesn't hurt people, so that points moot. The scents aren't nearly as bothersome as somebody wearing too much Axe/cologne/perfume, especially if you stealth vape (blow into your shirt, etc), so that points moot. Why else shouldn't I vape in public?

All other issues cross into moral territory, which isn't an area for regulation or law. If I find it distasteful to vape in front of smokers who cannot get their fix, than I won't do it. If others simply don't care about such a situation, then they have every right to vape openly. If I can tell the woman sitting near me in a restaurant is annoyed by the Chocolate Mint I'm puffing on, I can stop if I want to make life easier for her. Others have every right to continue vaping, despite her attempt at wagging the vape out of her face. These are moral issues, and this government has no authority to pass laws and regulations on moral issues, more specifically, victimless 'crimes'.

I vape in public when it contextually feels right. I don't vape in public to show off. I hold back when I feel others may not appreciate it. Other vapers may not feel the same, and that's perfectly OK with me. To each their own. Nothing worse about these vapers than the big loud muscle head shouting jokes and laughing at 100 decibels who doused himself with a pound of axe before sitting right next to me at the local Coney Island.
 

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I don't understand why so many vapers seem to feel they have a right to entitlement. Like buying an e-cig is a get out of jail free card. You feel you should be able to vape everywhere, infringe on others rights, and sidestep laws and policies.

Your lack of understanding is not a surprise, considering your further statements!

Why should you be able to vape where you couldn't smoke?

'Cause it's not smoking (as if that makes a diff in light of your further comments)!

You want e-cigs treated like the gum and patches...

Now there's a leap in logic that defies my (and chances are many, if not most, ECF vapers) personal views.

Just because e-cigs are safer than smoking does not mean there is no risk not just to us but to others.

"Ma'am/Sir, please step out of your car/truck/bus/taxi and place your hands on the hood. We're here to protect and tax our citizens."

You don't want it regulated or taxed

As well as soooo many other over regulated/taxed commodities/services. How's da cig industry fines/penalties and additional taxes working out for da ol' cig smokers that really could benefit from the 'increased medical coverage'? Oh, wait... and wait... and wait...

... all other tobacco products are regulated, and rather people like it or not we ARE using a tobacco product.

See da above and so what?

At this time all nicotine containing e-juices are extracted from tobaco leaves.

Doh! I'm so envious of such an obvious grasp of da obvious...

Yes, some of the laws they have tried to pass are unfair to us, but we need to understand this isn't a case of we complain and they will stop. This WILL happen we need to be prepared.

In da face of a possible 'time out', IMO, I do think that you're either drunk, drugged or demented. With over 5K posts, you know that you've been here long enough to realize that your accusation of "it seems many people here in ECF just don't care" is BS!

Hopefully, tomorrow you'll reread your post and be chagrined, if not down right ashamed!


ETA: Many posts while I was typing mine...

Nancy, if you were only concerned 'bout SCENT, ya missed da honey and hit/stirred da bees!
 
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Just because something is rude does not mean it should be against the law. Having a law forbidding everything is the same as having no liberty. What's next? the out right banning of walnuts because someone may be allergic and shouldn't be bothered by reading ingredients?

I bet you anything the mentioned person has no problem with haunted houses despite the fog being the exact same thing. Sometimes it's good to just let people take care of themselves. You will find that people who do so do better than people who are cared for by others.
 

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I don't understand why so many vapers seem to feel they have a right to entitlement. Like buying an e-cig is a get out of jail free card. You feel you should be able to vape everywhere, infringe on others rights, and sidestep laws and policies.

Why should you be able to vape where you couldn't smoke? You want e-cigs treated like the gum and patches, but guess what if they where then the rest would be a mute point and the FDA would have banned them years ago when they tried. Just because e-cigs are safer than smoking does not mean there is no risk not just to us but to others. You don't know who might be allergic to a scent, and it seems many people here in ECF just don't care.

You don't want it regulated or taxed, all other tobacco products are regulated, and rather people like it or not we ARE using a tobacco product. At this time all nicotine containing e-juices are extracted from tobaco leaves.

Yes, some of the laws they have tried to pass are unfair to us, but we need to understand this isn't a case of we complain and they will stop. This WILL happen we need to be prepared.

You are talking about 2 different things, and the answers are different. Why should I be able to vape where I can't smoke? Because I'm not smoking!

Should I be able to vape where I can't vape? It depends on whether it is the property owner, or someone sitting/standing near me, vs. some ANTZ in Sacramento or Washington that wants me to go back to smoking.

When I have to go lots of hours without vaping, vaping doesn't fix it for me afterwards, it's too slow. Then I end up smoking. If I could have vaped during that time, I could have vaped afterwards because I would not have gotten so low in blood nic.

I have always said it makes sense to forbid vaping anywhere that perfume is forbidden. But that is not what we are up against.

I *have* seen threads where people feel entitled to do ANYTHING they please and that is ridiculous, but I do stealth vape where I'm not supposed to when I can tell the reason for the rule is ignorance. Such as restaurants where they are cooking onsite, serving sizzling platters, no babies near me, and people wearing perfume.

I don't vape in Chuck E. Cheese, or Babies R Us stores.

I think your question would get different answers if you had asked "Why should you be able to vape anywhere?" instead of "Why should you be able to vape where you couldn't smoke?"

One strong reason for vaping where we would not be allowed to smoke is that is surprises the hell out of people who thought vaping was like smoking. It educates them. I would stop if asked to stop, but so far what I get is "Wow, I can't even smell it! That's really surprising! Would that work for my dad/husband/son ?"

We've even had legislators start to say "If we allowed vaping in here, this room would be horrible by now" only to be told "We WERE vaping in here for the last 13 hours, and you didn't notice!" -- that group DROPPED their proposed vaping = smoking law, because instead of words, they had personal experience of how different they were.

I was much more careful where I vaped back when my vape contained possible nut flavorings, BTW.
 

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Are you ashamed of your lack of being able to type real words?

No ma'am, not whatsoever! Do ya need a link to a dictionary?

edited -- Not worth it for someone that doesn't understand to start with.

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I agree 100%. I never vape except where smoking is allowed. I never thought about it in relation to vaping. But I would rather having someone smoking near by than someone with heavy perfume. You can smell them coming and long after they have gone. Makes me want to gag.

And just because something is not YET illegal. Does not make it right.
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I have done my research, and I am not talking carcinogenetic substances, but last time I checked they were not a scent some people have problem with, and yes I do get bent on perfumes and stuff like that, but then you haven't been with me on ER trips because of them.

I was not talking about the people who are being respectful but if you knew me at all you would have already known that. But how many posts have you read in here where people don't give a damn and will do it anyways, like the person who was vaping at the gas pumps and thought it funny and the 100's of others like that.
 

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must be an exec. for marlboro.

Why because I am sick of seeing people who have no respect for anyone at times even themselves? Or maybe you agree with the ones that do stuff like vaping at the gas pumps? or the guy extracting tobacco from a cigar with ISO? or the kid saying to make an e-cig out of a 9 volt battery and a carto?
 

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I would like to quote something that Paul Harvey use to say "Self government with out self discipline will not work."

Just because something is rude does not mean it should be against the law. Having a law forbidding everything is the same as having no liberty. What's next? the out right banning of walnuts because someone may be allergic and shouldn't be bothered by reading ingredients?

I bet you anything the mentioned person has no problem with haunted houses despite the fog being the exact same thing. Sometimes it's good to just let people take care of themselves. You will find that people who do so do better than people who are cared for by others.
 
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