Right of entitlement?

[echofinder]

I would concede public vaping (even outdoors!) for a ban on perfumes & colognes; I would do this with gladness in my heart.

 

[RickAppling]

But we are doing something about that. We are now demanding clearer more efficient cars. As the saying goes, every time an older car is junked the air quality is improved.

Why do you people keep coming back to scents? This could just as well be a problem with your shampoo, the soap you use, your deodorant, your perfume/cologne, etc. Why is smell JUST NOW becoming an issue and ONLY directed at vaping. I hate the way car exhaust smells AND it is EXTREMELY harmful to people, animals and the environment. Should everyone stop driving cars?

 

[RosaJ]

"But... how about... (fill in the blanks)."

Okay, now I get it, I see what you're doing... good night!!!

 

[D4rk50ul]

You have control over the foods you eat or the things you drink or vape for that matter, however, like my friend who is allergic to cinnamon, she has no control over someone else using it in public places, so why shouldn't she say something to someone about it or ask them not to do it next to her? I love cinnamon, even love cinnamon vapes, that doesn't mean I use anything with cinnamon around her knowing it will put her in the hospital.

Wear a mask. People with hyper sensitivity to UV rays don't email god asking him to turn off the sun, they cover up. I could care less about someone who instead of treating their own medical issue properly just go around expecting everyone to change for them. That is the attitude that needs to change, not what you are claiming.

 

[NancyR]

I would concede public vaping (even outdoors!) for a ban on perfumes & colognes; I would do this with gladness in my heart.

or at the very least people learning the whole bottle does not need to be used at once

 

[NancyR]

Wear a mask. People with hyper sensitivity to UV rays don't email god asking him to turn off the sun, they cover up. I could care less about someone who instead of treating their own medical issue properly just go around expecting everyone to change for them. That is the attitude that needs to change, not what you are claiming.

Masks do not stop scents

 

[echofinder]

You have control over the foods you eat or the things you drink or vape for that matter, however, like my friend who is allergic to cinnamon, she has no control over someone else using it in public places, so why shouldn't she say something to someone about it or ask them not to do it next to her? I love cinnamon, even love cinnamon vapes, that doesn't mean I use anything with cinnamon around her knowing it will put her in the hospital.

Big, big difference in this example; your friend is justified in speaking & in making personal requests... that is much different than banning cinnamon in all public places, all the time though.

 

[RickAppling]

Not at all. Speaking only for myself I am saying that if we are not courteous then we will have restrictions placed on us.

So you are saying ban all things because some people aren't courteous? Well then ban alcohol because I'm tired of innocent people dieing in car accidents involving drunk drivers.

 

[BostLabs]

The problem is everyone has to show common courtesy. Non smokers included who seem to think they are better than everyone else.

Bingo! That right there sums it all up in my mind. I respect their rights, is it so hard for them to do the same for me?

 

[D4rk50ul]

Masks do not stop scents

Buy these.

http://www.northernsafety.com/Produ...ell-7700-Series-Silicone-Half-Mask-Respirator

http://www.northsafety.com/TriggerW...ItemGuid=b94d112e-c3d7-40e5-ae45-386a220a87d2

If you perform a 5 second google search you will find that those with cinnamon scent allergic reactions have used this and have had great results. Again, education is key I'm shocked your friend hasn't tried to treat their disease.

 

[echofinder]

Not at all. Speaking only for myself I am saying that if we are not courteous then we will have restrictions placed on us.

Courtesy is not a tangible thing though... it means something different to each person, it is difficult to define it in terms of specifics. I do not want laws to be based on 'courtesy'. There is little of real substance there and way too much potential for agenda-driving.

 

[RickAppling]

While I agree with you in part that might be going a bit too far.

I would concede public vaping (even outdoors!) for a ban on perfumes & colognes; I would do this with gladness in my heart.

 

[wv2win]

I agree 100%. I never vape except where smoking is allowed. I never thought about it in relation to vaping. But I would rather having someone smoking near by than someone with heavy perfume. You can smell them coming and long after they have gone. Makes me want to gag.

And just because something is not YET illegal. Does not make it right.
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And this is the exact attitude that the ANTZ's love to hear from those who vape. Vaping is the same as smoking and dangerous. Stay in the smoking section because you are just as dangerous and nasty as smokers. And with this attitude, it will become illegal because it already should be when you provide this perception and act like it is the same as smoking. Just plain sad.

 

[AttyPops]

Dang!

All she said was "Be polite and try not to mess with other people's air." She gave an opinion.

Although I'm not above an occasional (and respectful) stealth vape, for the most part I don't go around vaping where smoking isn't allowed.

Post 1 said it all. It really isn't a pro-government post. Or anti-government post. Or a PAC post. Or even a scientific post. It's a manners post.

Ya'all should chill. (OMG another OPINION!)

 

[NancyR]

Big, big difference in this example; your friend is justified in speaking & in making personal requests... that is much different than banning cinnamon in all public places, all the time though.

I'm not saying it should be banned in all public places, but I still stand by the point that vapers need to show courtesy to others, one of the biggest things most of the people who have replied against what I have said DO exactly what I would expect people to do, when asked to stop they stop and so forth, but yet most of us know the posts and the type of people I am talking about.

 

[RickAppling]

Good point.

Courtesy is not a tangible thing though... it means something different to each person, it is difficult to define it in terms of specifics. I do not want laws to be based on 'courtesy'. There is little of real substance there and way too much potential for agenda-driving.

 

[wv2win]

Buckle up Nancy I am about to tear your post apart.



Last I checked I still lived in the "Land of the Free". Not the United Soviet States of America. I am getting really sick and tired of people trying to ban or oppress anything and everything that the liberal left does not agree with. We have the freedom of speech, we do NOT have the freedom to never be offended. The two are mutually exclusive and I think you can guess which one I prefer. We have the right to freedom of religion. We do NOT have the right to never see or hear someone else practicing theirs. We have the right to own firearms. We do NOT have the right to use those fire arms on other people. Murder is already against the law, and that is not stopping the lunatics so why do ...... think they will obey any other law that is passed. We have the right to choose our own health care, retirement investments, and jobs. We even have the right to not participate in any of those things and then face the consequences later. We should NOT have the right to be lazy arses our whole lives and then take money from everyone else because we were too stupid to plan ahead. Finally we also have the right to drink sugary beverages, drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, and even vape as long as we do them in a way that does not interfere with the rights of others. Do I feel entitled to break laws? NO I do not. You don't have a right to tell me what I can do and where I can do it as long as I am not interfering with the rights of others. As others have mentioned the exhaled vapor does not contain any toxins that would interfere with anyone else's rights. Period. People don't like it because it reminds them of a real cigarette.



While you are correct that we do not know the long term effects on the vaper, we DO KNOW what the exhaled vapor contains. And not only does it NOT contain any toxins in enough quantity to be considered harmful, I would bet money that it is probably 100 times safer for you than the air you breath in whatever city you live in. As far as the scents go, I have a RL friend you is deathly allergic to a specific perfume made by Mary Kay. She was in a local store recently and a woman walked by her wearing this perfume and within minutes my friend was on floor with problems breathing. So if you REALLY want government involved in telling us what smells we can exude then you better make sure they also ban colognes and perfumes too. Oh and probably Deodorants, and scented shampoos as well. Oh and good luck with that.



Yes it is a tobacco extract. I will give you that. However why would ANYONE want more taxes? Really? You don't think you pay enough to the government? Feel free to send them extra anytime you want to. There are boxes on your tax forms to do just that but please stay the HE|| out of my pockets. As far as regulation goes, I don't see a reason to regulate it. Regulation serves TWO purposes only. The first is consumer protection. I have yet to see a reason why we need this regulated for this purpose. has anyone been harmed by unregulated e-juice yet? The ONLY other purpose regulation serves it to BAR ENTRY into a particular industry. You cannot really want less competition where ONLY Big Tobacco can even afford to compete do you?



This is a case of fight for your rights or lose them. Not just with vaping but with literally every single right in the Bill of Rights is currently under attack. If we do not do something to fight back we will not have any rights left. This does not have to happen, but it is going to take all of us working together to preserve our rights, the rights that our men and women of the armed forces have died for, during and since the American Revolution.

This is one of the best posts I have read on ECF in a while. Way to go, Scott!!

 

[Chiku]

Nancyr, a lot of your posts have been about scents. What about vaping unflavoured juice, with very little scent?

 

[RickAppling]

Perhaps they do. But I do not believe the point is if it is dangerous others. But how do others perceive it. We need to educate others, not cram it down their throats.

And this is the exact attitude that the ANTZ's love to hear from those who vape. Vaping is the same as smoking and dangerous. Stay in the smoking section because you are just as dangerous and nasty as smokers. And with this attitude, it will become illegal because it already should be when you provide this perception and act like it is the same as smoking. Just plain sad.

 

[wv2win]

Some people have to make a cause out of everything. They feel the need to stand on a soapbox and shout out to the world about everything they do.

I vape so I won't smoke, period, and I can vape all I need to to accomplish that without subjecting anyone else to my habit. I'm not going to war over it. It just isn't that important. There are way too many injustices in this world to get so worked up over this.

You have made it clear many times that vaping being banned wouldn't bother you at all and that we all should act like and be treated like we are dangerous to others and the planet in general. We get that. But the majority of us don't agree with you.