Right of entitlement?

[NancyR]

I don't understand why so many vapers seem to feel they have a right to entitlement. Like buying an e-cig is a get out of jail free card. You feel you should be able to vape everywhere, infringe on others rights, and sidestep laws and policies.


Why should you be able to vape where you couldn't smoke? You want e-cigs treated like the gum and patches, but guess what if they where then the rest would be a mute point and the FDA would have banned them years ago when they tried. Just because e-cigs are safer than smoking does not mean there is no risk not just to us but to others. You don't know who might be allergic to a scent, and it seems many people here in ECF just don't care.


You don't want it regulated or taxed, all other tobacco products are regulated, and rather people like it or not we ARE using a tobacco product. At this time all nicotine containing e-juices are extracted from tobaco leaves.


Yes, some of the laws they have tried to pass are unfair to us, but we need to understand this isn't a case of we complain and they will stop. This WILL happen we need to be prepared.

 

[BostLabs]

I admit I vape in some stores from time to time. I do not vape near people and I do not vape up and down the aisles like a choo-choo train. But I don't see the harm in taking a couple of vapes in an area that is devoid of people in the vicinity.

I've also learned the fine art of stealth vaping.

Just to be clear. I do not feel entitled to vape every where and anywhere at any time.

 

[wv2win]

Wow, definitely part of the problem, not the solution.

If you had ever taken the time to do some research, exhaled vapor has no carcinogenetic substances in it based on several published studies. And barely enough nicotine to even be called "trace" elements. As to smell, well, I didn't see you get on your soap box about people who wear perfume and wanting them to segragate themselves.

Many of us have stated we should vape openly most places (not all) but do so respectfully. My guess is that most vapers use this rationale along with good common sense. If we follow your position and vape in smoking sections only, then we are telling everyone, and presenting the perception, that vaping is as dangerous as smoking and should be banned/restricted. Not to mention we then have to be exposed to second hand smoke.

In essence you are saying we should just shut up, be good little sheep, hide in dark corners where we belong and let the ANTZ define us as dangerous people that need to be segregated from the rest of the population. I think ASH is looking for new members who think the same way.

 

[gthompson]

If you had ever taken the time to do some research, exhaled vapor has no carcinogenetic substances in it based on several published studies. And barely enough nicotine to even be called "trace" elements.

Completely beside the point.

 

[SissySpike]

who say the laws and taxes against smokers are right. You give the money wasting gooberment all the money you like. Im going to do my best to keep my money out of their corrupt hands. I say we do our best to fight them every turn and corner!

 

[NancyR]

Wow, definitely part of the problem, not the solution.

If you had ever taken the time to do some research, exhaled vapor has no carcinogenetic substances in it based on several published studies. And barely enough nicotine to even be called "trace" elements. As to smell, well, I didn't see you get on your soap box about people who wear perfume and wanting them to segragate themselves.

Many of us have stated we should vape openly most places (not all) but do so respectfully. If we follow your position and vape in smoking sections only, then we are telling everyone and presenting the perception that vaping is as dangerous as smoking and should be banned/restricted. Not to mention we then have to be breath with second hand smoke.

I have done my research, and I am not talking carcinogenetic substances, but last time I checked they were not a scent some people have problem with, and yes I do get bent on perfumes and stuff like that, but then you haven't been with me on ER trips because of them.

I was not talking about the people who are being respectful but if you knew me at all you would have already known that. But how many posts have you read in here where people don't give a damn and will do it anyways, like the person who was vaping at the gas pumps and thought it funny and the 100's of others like that.

 

[BostLabs]

The government works for the People. WE are part of the People. The People are not slaves to the government (casing denotes how it is supposed to work).

Now The People can decide by majority that something needs changing but it isn't the governments mandate to decide for The People.

This is how it is supposed to work. We shouldn't forget this... Ever.

 

[KraKsX]

People used to smoke everywhere, in stores, bars, you name it... Then we learned 2nd hand smoke is BAD.... Then laws came to stop smoking inside... I understand

There is no 2nd hand with ecigs... So I can vape it where ever I want, because I'm NOT harming any one else.
Now I do respect others, I'm not blow clouds in people's faces [unless asked].

 

[NGAHaze]

who say the laws and taxes against smokers are right. You give the money wasting gooberment all the money you like. Im going to do my best to keep my money out of their corrupt hands. I say we do our best to fight them every turn and corner!

And personally, I don't feel like it's fair to assess more taxes on a product than the cost of said product itself just because you (used generally, not singling out anyone) believe I shouldn't be using it.

And sorry but the second hand smoke issue is far from definitive itself ...

 

[NancyR]

In essence you are saying we should just shut up, be good little sheep, hide in dark corners where we belong and let the ANTZ define us as dangerous people that need to be segregated from the rest of the population. I think ASH is looking for new members who think the same way.

ANTZ doesn't need to define us as dangerous when we have vapers doing it for them

 

[TTK]

Yes, some of the laws they have tried to pass are unfair to us, but we need to understand this isn't a case of we complain and they will stop. This WILL happen we need to be prepared.

This is the part I would like to hear more about. Do you have any recommendations for "preparedness"?

 

[crxess]

Strong fragrances completely wreck my sinus - I do see any laws protecting my health on that matter.
I know what is ahead. I'm no Idiot. Still does not mean I have to sit quietly by or bend over and Take It.......

 

[SissySpike]

Lets talk tax I could care less about the someone elses since of weather Im doing something they think I shouldn't in public. I can not vape even though Im part of the public and you can leave just as easy as I can.
If memory serves me correctly Cigarettes were taxed to offset the cost of medical care do to the diseases they cause. I do not see any research showing vaping causes any diseases. When is the last time you herd any one with a smoking related disease given even a discount for treatment from the millions and millions of dollars gathered threw taxes?

 

[NancyR]

Lets talk tax I could care less about the someone elses since of weather Im doing something they think I shouldn't in public. I can not vape even though Im part of the public and you can leave just as easy as I can.
If memory serves me correctly Cigarettes were taxed to offset the cost of medical care do to the diseases they cause. I do not see any research showing vaping causes any diseases. When is the last time you herd any one with a smoking related disease given even a discount for treatment from the millions and millions of dollars gathered threw taxes?

So, what you are saying is as long as it doesn't effect you, you don't care about anyone else. And someone working can't just up and leave their job.

 

[BostLabs]

If memory serves me correctly Cigarettes were taxed to offset the cost of medical care do to the diseases they cause. I do not see any research showing vaping causes any diseases. When is the last time you herd any one with a smoking related disease given even a discount for treatment from the millions and millions of dollars gathered threw taxes?

That tax hasn't been used for that, if at all, in quite some time. "General funds and lets keep raising the tax boys!"

You know that saying: How can you tell a politician is lying? His lips is moving.

 

[NancyR]

That tax hasn't been used for that, if at all, in quite some time. "General funds and lets keep raising the tax boys!"

You know that saying: How can you tell a politician is lying? His lips is moving.

If you want to take it a step farther most taxes started out as temporary and voluntary, including ss tax.

 

[zapped]

Because I'm NOT a smoker...plain and simple.

I understand why SOME of the laws in regards to smokers were enacted, most of those either dont or shouldnt apply to vaping.

With all due respect NancyR, I think that maybe youre still thinking like a smoker in this regard.I still find myself falling back into old thought patterns too. a 25 year habit is hard to break completely sometimes.

Im just pointing this out because I would hate to see that ultimately lead to you falling off the wagon.

I wont vape in courtrooms or around children or at gas pumps but most other places should be fair game as long as a little courtesy is used.

 

[SissySpike]

no I did not say that you said that. If you approached me and said sir that bothers me I would look at you in a annoying way say OK and quit vaping. Thats what polite people do. The since of entitlement goes both ways though. If you are bothered by something and go some place where some are enjoying vaping you should be the one to leave not them.

 

[BostLabs]

If you want to take it a step farther most taxes started out as temporary and voluntary, including ss tax.

Which begs the question: Why did we allow that? By we I mean The People. Ya know, their boss.

 

[YogaMist]

If we follow your position and vape in smoking sections only, then we are telling everyone, and presenting the perception, that vaping is as dangerous as smoking and should be banned/restricted. Not to mention we then have to be exposed to second hand smoke.

No way I want to be in a smoking area, that completely defeats the purpose of my quitting analogs. Yuck!!!

I do try to be respectful and informative. Thankfully I have had nothing but positive responses to my vaping in public. If I am visiting someone's home, I also always ask "May I vape?" first.