Serious warning! Deadly juice!

[Lab]

the thing with the juice term is not only for kids... not labeling warnings on bottles is a big opening for a lawsuit against the distributor. someone that knows better could drink it on purpose get very sick and have a winning case. all they have to do in court is prove that they are stupid enough to do it not knowing..

simple labels with warnings such as not of oral use.. if accidental consumption call poison control 911 ext.. if to induce vomiting or not. im not sure on what they recommend..

i have nephews over all the time they know not to touch it.. i spent days training my dog not to touch the bottles.. now if i accidentally drop a bottle she will just watch it roll instead of trying to fetch it..

 

[BiffRocko]

 

[Uncle Willie]

We, I'm sure, left lighters out in the open when smoking analogs .. dire circumstances could erupt as well .. just sayin' ..

 

[DuncanDisordely]

Umm... all the nic I've ever bought has a childproof cap on it. NOT that I leave my juice anywhere near my kids anyway!

Completely agree with the terminology, removing the temptation is 90% of the battle.

 

[rainkeltoia]

Some of the vendors of e-liquid (not pure nic, or unflavored nic) dont' use childproof caps on larger bottles anyway

 

[classwife]

There was also something a few months back about being careful to say e-liquid instead of juice...I can't find it in a thread (I looked for an hour and a half !)...I think it must have been on one of the talk programs...tying it in with the FDA regulations- along with the "not quitting with e-cigs" but "switching".....

But around small ones...the extra precautionary step is the most important !

 

[UntamedRose]

"10 mg might be a lethal dose for a child. If you use 18 mg/mL e-liquid, 10 drops would be enough."
Where are you getting this???

 

[Religion]

It seems like we can't win. You use one set of words and we get pharmaceutical punishments and taxes up the wazoo. You use the other set of words and we poison children and make smokers think we're idiots. I want my cake and eat it, too.

 

[Lab]

(0.5-1.0 mg/kg) is lethal.. so if you have 10 mg liquid and a 30kg kid ... so 1.5 - 3 ml liquid... now that is a large kid over 60lbs..


figure a 30lb kid would onlytake .75-1.5 ml of 10mg per ml liquid..

now this is also considering fast absorption into the body.. so would be a bit more

 

[Mr Jones]

Another viable terminology and my personal favorite can be 'vapor' or 'vapors'. I just like those terms the most out of all of them.

The word juice seems, well, like the word juice but in the fruit punch type of way. Which is why the OP has a very valid point when children are concerned.

And the 'e' in e-liquid seems so early 90s. Stay with liquid (a pet peeve I guess).

I agree with the OP, I would just use vapor or vapors instead of juice.

 

[Lab]

i would love to get a bottle with instead of a nice pic of fruit on it.. it have a skull and crossbones..

 

[Sdh]

Nicotine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9926222

Look at the toxicological information....

 

[zoiDman]

(0.5-1.0 mg/kg) is lethal.. so if you have 10 mg liquid and a 30kg kid ... so 1.5 - 3 ml liquid... now that is a large kid over 60lbs..


figure a 30lb kid would onlytake .75-1.5 ml of 10mg per ml liquid..

now this is also considering fast absorption into the body.. so would be a bit more

And with the recent poll I saw, Many if not most members are vaping MUCH higher levels of Nicotine.

I'm not going to argue numbers when it comes to child saftey. I think we all can agree that any child getting their hands on a bottle of e-Liquid is a Very Bad thing.

 

[Lab]

yeah vaping it is a lot different than drinking it.. nicotine breaks down pretty fast in the body..

my thing for loosing the juice name in shops is to protect the shops.. most parents have taught their children to not touch the liquid.. most ppl with kids or pets will wash their hands if any gets on them before either gets it in their mouth.. and they keep it put up..

if taught not to touch the things attractive bottles ext wont matter... it is the idiot that knows better but does it anyways to look out for..

I have a dog at home.. so i keep mine in a drawer.. dropped a bottle it went after it.. so i spent some time with clean bottles until she would not bother with one.. so if i drop it she does nothing..

 

[UntamedRose]

Thats what I mean...yall just posted a bunch of gibberish.

Toxicology refers to the level in the blood stream. The level in the bottle is not the level in the blood stream of someone who vapes or drinks the stuff.

Besides the math is 0o
0.5/22kg(40 pound kid) = 0.022727 Kay... Got 10 drops of 18ml's out of that how?


BTW I am not debating that we should not keep our nic juice out of the reach of kids.

 

[zoiDman]

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Besides the math is 0o
0.5/22kg(40 pound kid) = 0.022727 Kay... Got 10 drops of 18ml's out of that how?


BTW I am not debating that we should not keep our nic juice out of the reach of kids.

I think you should be using the Multiplication Key and Not the Division key on your Calculator.

And your right. This thread shouldn't get too far away from child saftey.

 

[NCC]

I live alone, and currently have no furry friends to worry about. So, I strongly disagree that childproof caps should be required, and strongly agree that they should be available for folks who are not in my living situation.

If I had children in the house I would absolutely take measures to prevent the accident feared by Post #1.

As most of us have done, I have unintentionally taken tiny amounts of eLiquid orally. The stuff is HORRID tasting, as you know. A child may eat orange flavored aspirin like candy, it's hard to imagine them drinking a lethal dose of liquid.

But then, I'm an old hermit. So, what ever I say is kind of irrelevant.

 

[StormFinch]

Like UntamedRose, I'm not debating the point behind the post, just the science. Please take everything you read at Wikipedia with a grain of salt. It's written by anyone and everyone and the facts aren't always that.

According to the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, published on the CDC's website, the lethal human dose of nicotine is 50 to 60 milligrams per kilogram of body weight oral; CDC - Immediately Dangerous to Life or Health Concentrations (IDLH): Nicotine - NIOSH Publications and Products

According to the EPA it's 40 to 60mg per kg; http://www.epa.gov/oppsrrd1/REDs/nicotine_red.pdf

And, according to a report done by NIOSH; "Although ingestions of tobacco are common, deaths due to ingestion of tobacco are extremely rare, due to early vomiting and first pass metabolism of the nicotine that is absorbed." http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&sqi=2&ved=0CEsQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhrcak.srce.hr%2Ffile%2F210&rct=j&q=human%20ld50%20nicotine&ei=e3r5TenxD4jQgAfT_fz0BA&usg=AFQjCNHxy_oPkn-zzusYI0VURhoQzW_Fzg (This is a PDF.)

Again, I'm not saying that we shouldn't watch how our liquid is kept and change our terminology. I personally keep a lock box in the house just in case someone enters my home with young children, and I don't even know anyone with them. I did however raise two boys into their late teens that don't drink, don't smoke, don't use drugs and never messed with the cleaning products when they were toddlers. Yes, I believe we need to protect our children, but we also need to teach them to protect themselves at the same time.

 

[jayvolt]

Just my 2 pence. Other than what has been mentioned before in this thread about children and pets (and OUR responsibility to teach them right and wrong, and keep them safe) titles like "Serious warning! Deadly juice!" are inflammatory and scare the bejeezits out of us panicky hypochondriacs. I think this is a great discussion, and a needed one (I personally call it e-liquid), but under a different header.

I personally have a 3 and 5 year old in the house and keep my bottles safely stored out of my children's hands as all good parents should. Changing the name will not change the danger BTW, my 3 year old can't read. My 5 year old is well behaved enough to know that when daddy tells him not to touch it, that he doesn't. I can't speak for pets.

Please don't flame me, I am not trying to be rude. Just titles like that make me tense. I think OP has a very valid point. And this discussion has been an insightful one.

 

[zoiDman]

Like UntamedRose, I'm not debating the point behind the post, just the science. Please take everything you read at Wikipedia with a grain of salt. It's written by anyone and everyone and the facts aren't always that.

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You are correct, you do have to watch what you read. Like that CDC document. If I'm reading it correctly, the data is for "inhalation toxicity" and not for oral ingestion of a Liquid Nicotine Mixture.

I am glad to see that no one seems to think a simple change of wording or labeling is a bad thing. Perhaps members can e-Mail their e-Liquid vendors and ask them if they would consider changing their wording.