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SF may be first City to Ban E-cigs
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Sometimes the Views of 11 people on a Board do not accurately reflect the Majority Views of the 800,000 they are supposed to represent.
I listened to a discussion about how this odd shift has taken place. It was a pretty interesting expose on how our younger generation's views have become distorted. I wish I could present it to you but it's way too complicated for me to justify the psychology behind a college professor being reported by his students for telling the story of "Sirens" and showing art depicting them topless. If you're a female who's offended by seeing breasts in a painting what the hell are you going to do when you see a penis on one of Michelangelo's sculptures? I can't even talk about this anymore, it's too screwed up!
hell yes they have to move out ..California is bleeding people, if it wasn't for illegal immigrants the population of the state would implode, it has become a third world cesspool with a small extremley wealthy community along the coast being catered to by very poor, and the interior of the state which is working poor or lower middle class.
the Bay Area is monolithic the East Bay will follow suit with the City the political machine of the Bay area spans the entire coast down to San Jose.
yes and no...financially they want us to keep smoking, they get the pay off from the tobacco companies in the law suit, and they also get bribes from the tobacco industry,vaping they will hand over to one of the big tobacco corporations, but it goes beyond all that...the political class hate vaping because it works..it is not simple corruption at work here...vaping was not created by the govermenrt, or a globalist corporation,it was not bankrolled by the banks..it was created by small groups of creative, ingenious, passionate, INDIVIDUALS in their garages, and shops, and kitchen tables, and they built it into a multibillion dollar industry....the vapers themselves did not wait for a goverment report on the saftey of vaping...they used the avaiable science and COMMON SENSE.they did not bow to fear but sprang toward freedom and creativity ...vaping is a monumental exposure of the lie, that we need the goverment...that they are concerned about us, that they help us....vaping turned us from subjects into free thinking people and it worked,,WE the vaping community made one of the most important health breakthroughs in a century by ourselves working together and supporting each other......and the goverments, and the UN and the experts, and the college proffesors hate our guts for that...we acted without their consent or their control....that is what makes vaping important to me.Hey Donpalms I agree with you about the lack of personal responsibility but that's got nothing to do with corruption...two entirely different things....the ban on vaping has not followed on from a ban on tobacco use, alcohol use etc.
The only other reason it can be happening is someone is getting financial gain from it....believe me when you're looking from the outside in the situation is so bizarre that there is no logical people's argument for it.....sorry
it is the so called "progressives" who are banning books around the world, that are calling for censorship of the internet, who are beating people in the streets who disagree with their particular brand of political thought..huge cities can be extremely provencial...I know people from NY or SF who have never lived outside the city they were born in...they think anyone who doesn't live in their city is a barbarian, cartoonish characters, they are just as provencial as a trailer park in the middle of Nevada.....they just like to think they are the center of the human experince..they have hubris. The work and experinces it takes to develop an open mind can not be bought by just wearing a beret, or getting tattoos, or taking the drug du jour, or going into a voting booth and pushing a button for the Democrats.
Heey Equality....that's a nice thought and some of your argument is definitely applicable but attack due to hatred?...sorry I don't buy that idea. Simply put, if that were true then the powers that be would have been against other things that were created by individuals which then became mainstream.
And there are too many numerous examples where that clearly didn't happen....to be really honest, when you're looking in at the US from outside it really is totally bizarre and don't forget that in part one would expect that because you are a very young political system compared to others...it takes a long time for a political system to gradually iron out their mistakes over millennia!!
Happy vaping
I know them well.
The greatest irony of it all is that JUUL was invented by two Stanford grads (the same ones who invented Ploom ca 9 years ago--if anyone still remembers it
) and JUUL Labs is headquartered in San Francisco. 
Juul being invented by Stanford grads headquartered in SF is kind of funny when you think about it.
The one thing that most native people don't like about the New Yorkers who escape New York and invade their small communities farther south is that instead of integrating into the communities they are moving to, they go about busily trying to turn those communities into the hell holes they just came from.
And the same can be said for almost anyone who flees their 'homeland'. City people escaping the cities used to be just as bad in the Midwest, and I'm sure the Californians won't be any different as they flee that state.
'When in Rome' has no meaning to these escapees of hell holes, and vaping is no different.
It takes a Californian (or a couple) to work very very hard to make vaping (the desirable version) just as expensive as a Marlboro. Those two did such a good job even Marlboro was jealous and wanted in on it.
lol.
So maybe as people flee their native cities and states for greener pastures, people should consider the country much like vaping and vapors.
No one has a problem with the way you vape, we celebrate the fact you do, but coming into other areas and deciding others must vape the same way you do is never welcome.
There is give and take everywhere you go, and some who reside in those greener pastures have left behind some of what might be good - much like some vapers leave convenience behind - in order to have what is seen as better - much like there is benefit to an inexpensive DIY coil or juice all it's own.
The one thing that most native people don't like about the New Yorkers who escape New York and invade their small communities farther south is that instead of integrating into the communities they are moving to, they go about busily trying to turn those communities into the hell holes they just came from.
And the same can be said for almost anyone who flees their 'homeland'. City people escaping the cities used to be just as bad in the Midwest, and I'm sure the Californians won't be any different as they flee that state.
'When in Rome' has no meaning to these escapees of hell holes, and vaping is no different.
It takes a Californian (or a couple) to work very very hard to make vaping (the desirable version) just as expensive as a Marlboro. Those two did such a good job even Marlboro was jealous and wanted in on it.
lol.
So maybe as people flee their native cities and states for greener pastures, people should consider the country much like vaping and vapors.
No one has a problem with the way you vape, we celebrate the fact you do, but coming into other areas and deciding others must vape the same way you do is never welcome.
There is give and take everywhere you go, and some who reside in those greener pastures have left behind some of what might be good - much like some vapers leave convenience behind - in order to have what is seen as better - much like there is benefit to an inexpensive DIY coil or juice all it's own.
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It's so sad. California could be, used to be, a paradise. Cruising down the Pacific Coast Highway on a summer day, stopping for some delicious seafood along the way, watching the waves and the sunsets, the sea gulls and pelicans and sea lions... Mountains, beaches, margaritas...
I agree, it is very sad. From Monterey Pop '67 to July '76 I called CA home. For most of those years up to early spring '71 I was in SF, then I lived on the Monterey Peninsula. Those years collectively are some of the best memories of my life and all the fun I had living there. In part I guess due to my age when I moved there, and in part because I met and married the lady of my dreams in SF to share most of them with (and many more until 2002). I loved the exciting times in the Bay Area, but I loved Carmel and the Mtry Peninsula far more.
An odd parallel maybe because I have never been a political zealot... but I lived their during the Governor Reagan years and considered him a great Governor compared to Pat Brown before him and his son Governor Moonbeam (Jerry Brown) after Reagan by celebrating my Independence Day from CA by driving out of it the year after he left office on this nations Bicentennial July 4, 1976. It just worked out that way (I had driven out of CA, was in Nevada and still going east late that evening).
Last time I was in the Pastel City (SF) was in the late 80's.
I still wear my Peace and Fire sometimes.
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FWIW in October 1967 an effigy of a true hippie was buried in the pan handle of Golden Gate Park (near Haight-Ashbury) to signify the end of their era. In part because the radical Youth International Party was forming (the Yippies) that lead to the riots, etc in the Bay Area and elsewhere in 1968 and beyond.
If you were street wise SF was not what I would call dangerous, but rather just a place to be heads up and aware of your surroundings. Until I met my lady there I was on the prowl more often than not alone at any time day or night there every weekend in the city no problems at all. Oakland was considered the most dangerous area in the Bay Area the years I was there by most folks (gangs, Angels, Panthers). But to me they were not a concern either because back then if you gave respect on the streets you got back respect. It also might of helped that I was big, strong and fearless... but diplomacy if given the chance was the smart choice.
Really? What other country has its constitution in place for 230 years now, with only minor changes?
The CA migration to AZ is pretty large and currently benefitting us since we are selling our house and they're used to paying a million bucks for a condo.
And, I hate to say it, it is visibly changing Tucson anyway. The CA folk bring their attitudes and ideas with them. It may not be every CA person but it's enough of them and they DID elect those officials, whether the officials are behaving themselves or not.
Anna
And, I hate to say it, it is visibly changing Tucson anyway. The CA folk bring their attitudes and ideas with them. It may not be every CA person but it's enough of them and they DID elect those officials, whether the officials are behaving themselves or not.
Anna
Ok I knew that that statement wasn't going to be popular
But really you've just proved my point....a more experienced democracy would have made some changes to an out of date constitution when needed. But hey I don't want to go any further with that statement
Here is a quote from a historical source concerning the British parliament.
''In 1215, the tenants-in-chief secured Magna Carta from King John, which established that the king may not levy or collect any taxes (except the feudal taxes to which they were hitherto accustomed), save with the consent of his royal council, which gradually developed into a parliament''.
The US didn't exist then....this is what I mean't to point out and looking at the statement above jeez was the government flawed and not anything like the democratic country the UK is today. Lots of learning the hard way and making mistakes has been the path which necessarily creates wisdom for all.
No offence mean't
it will be banned globally within 10 years, governments are losing too much money on all those people stopping smoking overpriced tobacco...
Yeah France doesn't have any problems at all right now do they? You obviously have no clue what is happening in the US. Maybe worry about about your own screwed up country and I'll worry about mine.Ok I knew that that statement wasn't going to be popular
But really you've just proved my point....a more experienced democracy would have made some changes to an out of date constitution when needed. But hey I don't want to go any further with that statement
Here is a quote from a historical source concerning the British parliament.
''In 1215, the tenants-in-chief secured Magna Carta from King John, which established that the king may not levy or collect any taxes (except the feudal taxes to which they were hitherto accustomed), save with the consent of his royal council, which gradually developed into a parliament''.
The US didn't exist then....this is what I mean't to point out and looking at the statement above jeez was the government flawed and not anything like the democratic country the UK is today. Lots of learning the hard way and making mistakes has been the path which necessarily creates wisdom for all.
No offence mean't
Some of them are worse than the homeless.... I almost killed one in Dollar General last weekend.
LOL Dollar General was also selling "California scents" candles. I have never seen them there before. I said, "OMG thank GOD we are fleeing."
I have a feeling I will only meet cool Californians in Douglas, the ones who were like "I left because I hate it not because I just have not enough money for my anti-aging supplements" and whatnot. I think I will be safe.
LOL I will stop now I promise.
Anna
LOL Dollar General was also selling "California scents" candles. I have never seen them there before. I said, "OMG thank GOD we are fleeing."
I have a feeling I will only meet cool Californians in Douglas, the ones who were like "I left because I hate it not because I just have not enough money for my anti-aging supplements" and whatnot. I think I will be safe.
LOL I will stop now I promise.
Anna
^^^ Now don't be hating on anti-aging supplements.
The older I get the more lovely those products start looking..
hahaha
The older I get the more lovely those products start looking..
hahaha
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