SF may be first City to Ban E-cigs
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Hah! I had no trouble falling asleep in school without the help of any mind-altering substances.
The Constitution has two separate mechanisms for implementing changes if/when they are needed. The amendment process has been used 17 times (not counting the original 10 amendments that are the "Bill of Rights"). There's also a nuclear option that could be invoked by 2/3 of the states calling for a new Convention.
However, we're rather fond of our Constitution because (among other things) it explicitly prevents those in power from prosecuting us for doing things like filming/reporting in a public place or for posting opinions that they find disagreeable on the Internet.
Hi Rossum...Yes i'm fond of any constitution which implicitly protects our freedoms too...a pretty common practice in much of the world...but not everywhere sadly
Frankly this whole thread (as it pertained to me anyway) descended into political protectionism and nationalistic fervour when I was only trying to give a comparison to other countries within my experience, and where it related to these increasingly bizarre regs you seem to be encountering week by week. There's got to be a reason for the illogical behaviour and 9 times out of 10 there's a financial incentive, especially in your country!!
Well I hope that things don't get worse for the vaping community there. I certainly think that this is going to be one of those occasions that most countries don't follow America's lead...something definitely going a bit skewed off the path there
Well, a more experienced democracy (like the EU) might already be a good nanny by restricting vapers to purchasing liquids containing nicotine in packages no larger that 10ml and a strength of no more than 20mg, while we in the home of the brave still have no restrictions on package size or nic strength whatsoever.
Lead? What lead? We still have one of the most free markets in the world when it comes to vaping.
Well, a more experienced democracy (like the EU) might already be a good nanny by restricting vapers to purchasing liquids containing nicotine in packages no larger that 10ml and a strength of no more than 20mg, while we in the home of the brave still have no restrictions on package size or nic strength whatsoever.
Lead? What lead? We still have one of the most free markets in the world when it comes to vaping.
"Europeans are forever the offspring of Machiavelli, trapped in a historical rollercoaster that can bring us a monarchy-toppling French Revolution and then a few years later Napoleon Bonaparte as emperor."
yeah nothing like old world experince is there..............
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To be fair, annoying though it is, it is still logical. They were clearly a bit concerned with high strength base or even pure nicotine flying around and being contained in large quantities. Again that seems sensible to me. We shall see if there is a taxes issue further down the road.
It is a much talked about and decried thing on this side of the pond that things are heavily influenced and lead, sometimes even forced by the US....think about trade/embargo/sanctions etc. Money talks.....unfortunately.
yes money does seem to talk like the German banks run the EU,like the City of London,like that Macron worked for a Rothschild bank before being put in office as a puppet for those same banks...as Rossum pointed out, America has free accsses to nicotine and despite what you call "sensible fears" and I would call "bullcrap"..there has been no massive catastophe resulting from that freedom.I think that is the central differnce between America and Europe...our founding principle is that humanity can only evolve,and reach it's full potential of conciousness in freedom, Whereas Europe find servitude familiar and..."sensible"
I don't know so much delegated ...as allowed to be stolen by the techlords.
Do you /can you buy a gallon of nicotine pretty easy/cheaply and store it in your freezer? - I can and did, if I wanted I could buy 50-10000 +??? gallons
What is freely given away by people is not stolen. Millions of Americans willing give their privacy and free expression away to the techlords. And, sad to me at least, they continue to give it away first with ignorance and now with knowledge.
Hi Equality...i'll think that you'll find that the concept of freedom is a principle far older than your country and ...hmm let me see...ah yes it originated in Europe
The fact that you think sensible is bullcrap ends this discussion for me which by the way you've been completely wasting in this tirade of 'my country is better than yours exchange' Lol
Just a waste of time really...I care not which is better. I just thought that an outside US opinion about how extremely off beam and totally bizarre the recent vape events would be helpful in directing the discussion to something worthwhile and interesting.
Your attitude is somewhat alarming but a least it may go some way to explaining the totally bizarre. Happy vaping
That's an easy discussion. There are no parts of the Constitution that need to be changed. Your opinion doesn't matter when it comes to the US Constitution. You are not a US citizen.@Rossum And i'm definitely not going to be drawn into a discussion about which bits of the constitution should be changed either....it could quite ruin my day
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yes the principle of freedom is far older...it was the realization that America gave it, that is new...going to the moon is an old concept as well, but America accomplished that to..you just got to understand the entire world is not eurocentric, we Americans every generation have unfortunately had to deal with eurocentrics since our birth and you can understand that why we find the offers of your opinions harmless , we none the less are not sold on the idea that any continient that can plunge the entire world into a war not once but twice in the same century ...is the beacon of enlightenment they think they are.Perhaps you could channel your insights into putting out the fires raging through Paris.Hi Equality...i'll think that you'll find that the concept of freedom is a principle far older than your country and ...hmm let me see...ah yes it originated in Europe
The fact that you think sensible is bullcrap ends this discussion for me which by the way you've been completely wasting in this tirade of 'my country is better than yours exchange' Lol
Just a waste of time really...I care not which is better. I just thought that an outside US opinion about how extremely off beam and totally bizarre the recent vape events would be helpful in directing the discussion to something worthwhile and interesting.
Your attitude is somewhat alarming but a least it may go some way to explaining the totally bizarre. Happy vaping
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I was going to say eats the baby actually.
Also, I have read one of them "scientism journalistic books" by this undergrad where he studies rats and their inner city behaviors and famous rat exterminators and whatnot and his terrifying conclusion is that the rats are winning. I forget the name of it but it's dire. Obviously. I mean, the guy is enamored of RATS.
Plus the rat eats "insert whatever" because he CAN not because it's free. I don't think rats are capable of higher order financial calculations like that.
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don't think rats are capable of higher order financial calculations like that.”"""""_----------after seeing our govt use the checkbook,,, the rats may actually be smarter with finance...
A few days ago the Fed basically admitted they aren't driving the bus and haven't for some time (at least since 2008,,but 1995 is quite possible ,,,hence the creation of Crypto)
I apologize for quoting myself, but it saves time... This is what I wrote in 2015:
CALIFORNIA VAPERS: Things are getting ugly...
"States have borrowed against tobacco tax revenue
Sales are increasing to companies not paying into the MSA
Cigarette shipments declined by an above average 6.45% in 2010, following a 9.2% decline in 2009. MSA receipts declined by 5.6% in 2011. The revenue reductions forced California to need debt reserves to meet full interest and minimum serial bond principal repayments for 2011. Since then it has not gotten any better!"
I attended an awards ceremony a few months ago (Academy of Pediatrics). Every speaker mentioned decreasing revenues for public health programs that used to be funded by tobacco taxes (see California Proposition 10 (1998) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.) One speaker (a pulmonologist
I witnessed it myself--true story. So yes, they all know what's going on. The Academy of Pediatrics, the ACS, ALA, CDC, FDA, HHS...
Nah, they'll start taxing vapor products like they tax tobacco.
I've said it a Few Times in the Past (I believe in the CA Thread you Posted was one of them) ...
Maybe it just would have been Better to just ask them (States) to Tax e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids the Same as Cigarettes in 2010 or so?
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