should a non smoker vape?

[StormFinch]

Even if your vaping 0mg its bad..the lungs don't want water vapor, they want oxygen. This is the reason vaping is looked down upon and may be potentially banned, people get a false sense of safety with ecigs, and they shouldn't! We don't know the effects!

If you only smoke socially and once in awhile, my advice is to keep it that way.

Also if you start vaping all the time you will acquire that psychologically addicting oral fixation aspect, and if heaven forbid ecigs are banned, how are you going to fulfill it?

Kimmy I believe you make some very fine points, but I have to take issue with one particular line, and it's this;

"If you only smoke socially and once in awhile, my advice is to keep it that way."

I started out as a social smoker. It began with just one when I was out with my friends. A while later it became one in the mornings while we were waiting for school to start. After that it was one in the mornings and one in the afternoons before the late bus arrived. I walked half a mile home just so I could ride the late bus and get in that one cigarette, when the early bus dropped off at the end of my street. Not long after that it was those two, plus one snuck in at lunch. Two years later I was dashing out to the smoking section between every class in high school. (Yes, I started in middle school.) By the time I graduated I had developed a pack a day habit.

IIMO I would have to say that if you are not addicted to nicotine, if you can go for a week without craving it, then run, don't walk, away from it and don't look back. Whether it be analogs or e-cigarettes, nicotine will run your life. You will plan your whole day around it, your week, month, year, eternity. Most people don't have that kind of control over you, so let why a thing do it? I would prefer to be able to run my own life, thank you very much, but I screwed up early in life and I'm not sure if I will ever get that control back completely. I do at least take major comfort in the fact that I'm no longer doing the equivalent of sucking on a car tail pipe.

Also, to anyone that believes that only smoking a couple of analogs a day is not an addiction and those people can walk away from it, I'm going to have to disagree. Believe in his method or not, Allen Carr's stop smoking method has a success rate somewhere in the 90% range IIRC. He states emphatically that the people that are his toughest cases, those that are the most likely not to quit, or go back, were the ones that only smoke a couple of cigarettes a day. The reason he gives is that, on top of the low level addiction they have, those few cigarettes, because the person is severely limiting themselves, are very precious to the smoker. Kind of like taking off a pair of uncomfortable shoes. You wait all day to take off those shoes, look forward to it, and when you finally get to remove them, the feeling of relief is unbelievable. I can relate to that, because that's the way I got hooked.

 

[Kimmy]

Kimmy I believe you make some very fine points, but I have to take issue with one particular line, and it's this;

"If you only smoke socially and once in awhile, my advice is to keep it that way."

I started out as a social smoker. It began with just one when I was out with my friends. A while later it became one in the mornings while we were waiting for school to start. After that it was one in the mornings and one in the afternoons before the late bus arrived. I walked half a mile home just so I could ride the late bus and get in that one cigarette, when the early bus dropped off at the end of my street. Not long after that it was those two, plus one snuck in at lunch. Two years later I was dashing out to the smoking section between every class in high school. (Yes, I started in middle school.) By the time I graduated I had developed a pack a day habit.

IIMO I would have to say that if you are not addicted to nicotine, if you can go for a week without craving it, then run, don't walk, away from it and don't look back. Whether it be analogs or e-cigarettes, nicotine will run your life. You will plan your whole day around it, your week, month, year, eternity. Most people don't have that kind of control over you, so let why a thing do it? I would prefer to be able to run my own life, thank you very much, but I screwed up early in life and I'm not sure if I will ever get that control back completely. I do at least take major comfort in the fact that I'm no longer doing the equivalent of sucking on a car tail pipe.

Also, to anyone that believes that only smoking a couple of analogs a day is not an addiction and those people can walk away from it, I'm going to have to disagree. Believe in his method or not, Allen Carr's stop smoking method has a success rate somewhere in the 90% range IIRC. He states emphatically that the people that are his toughest cases, those that are the most likely not to quit, or go back, were the ones that only smoke a couple of cigarettes a day. The reason he gives is that, on top of the low level addiction they have, those few cigarettes, because the person is severely limiting themselves, are very precious to the smoker. Kind of like taking off a pair of uncomfortable shoes. You wait all day to take off those shoes, look forward to it, and when you finally get to remove them, the feeling of relief is unbelievable. I can relate to that, because that's the way I got hooked.

Well the title of the thread is nonsmoker, so he/she considers themselves a nonsmoker, only occasionally, not a few cigarettes a day. I know where your going, started off that way for me too, but this person identifies himself as a nonesmoker.

So should he/she vape because he may at some point down the line become a smoker? No. Thats like having chemotherapy before you actually have cancer.

 

[jdvorr]

What a great thread! OP: I don't really care if you vape or not. Means nada to moi. But I want to thank you for sparking such a great debate!

 

[StormFinch]

Well the title of the thread is nonsmoker, so he/she considers themselves a nonsmoker, only occasionally, not a few cigarettes a day. I know where your going, started off that way for me too, but this person identifies himself as a nonesmoker.

So should he/she vape because he may at some point down the line become a smoker? No. Thats like having chemotherapy before you actually have cancer.

Lol, I getcha. I guess I just don't consider anyone who smokes, even socially, a non-smoker. Lucky maybe.... That's why for I said that if someone can go a week without, stay far, far away. too easy to wake up one morning and find yourself chained to them, as we both know so well.

 

[phantom_Night]

wow, just let it sit and away it went. thank you all for your opinions. I can see both sides of the argument and as many stated their reasons, for some who stated other options, I am underage and can't drink, and won't drink underage, qigong sounds interesting I'll have to look it up. I do happen to have a hand to mouth fixations because I bite my nails so I'm used to always having something in my mouth and to stop biting I took up gum, which works for only so long because I have TMJ which kills my jaw. I've tried lollipops, I guess I could do it again, I just go through them faster than a smoker does and even then I'll sit and chew on the stick. I have also seen people chew on toothpicks, which I could try as well. I guess for now though, I'll try other options in hopes it will work.

 

[russellburman]

It's a bad idea, a nicotine addiction is the last thing you want... trust me.

 

[modistru]

OP, I assume you are an adult. You live in a close to free society (ish).

Asking addicts/former addicts for permission is going to give you the responses you see here. You've said you tried it and enjoyed it. I say do what you enjoy and be proud!

 

[PriestSLC]

I have a friend that was a occasional smoker, and by occasional I mean when I or someone else that smoked was around, we started working at the same place shortly after I started vaping and she questioned me about it.

It started with her coming by my desk and grabbing my PV and taking a few pulls on it over the corse of about a week, and then she decided to get her own, and as some have put it, the thing never left her mouth...

She was vaping higher nic level juice then I was and more often, when I first started, it was to get away from smoking, now I do it about twice as often then I use to smoke, which is a improvement from the Nic OD I experienced as a newb vapor.

Recently she elected for some surgery and her doctor told her that she had to quit smoking, and she wondered if vaping could effect healing like smoking could, we did some research and sure enough it does.

the nicotine causes some change I will not try to quote, and can adversely effect healing times, so she quit vaping.. and went through withdrawal, and needless to say it was not a pretty sight to behold...

Why the story? To make a point, although we believe that vaping is not anywhere near as harmful, it is certainly just as addictive if not more so.

I would rather see you vape then smoke, but if it is something that you are not accustomed to, I never recommend taking up anything that will become a addictive habit.

 

[Laurie Oldfield]

The only reason all of us are so excited about vapeing is because it's light at the end of a long and hard addiction tunnel. I wouldn't even think about vapeing if i were free before of smoking all together. imho only

 

[Zedoctor]

What a great thread! OP: I don't really care if you vape or not. Means nada to moi. But I want to thank you for sparking such a great debate!

+1

I'm in the "no" crowd.

but if you absolutely "Must" smoke. pick up a PV over a analogue. but i still recommend staying away...

 

[UntamedRose]

Wait your not even 18 yet? Dont smoke and Dont vape!


Shouldn't there be an age requirement here??

 

[Rosa]

wow, just let it sit and away it went. thank you all for your opinions. I can see both sides of the argument and as many stated their reasons, for some who stated other options, I am underage and can't drink, and won't drink underage, qigong sounds interesting I'll have to look it up. I do happen to have a hand to mouth fixations because I bite my nails so I'm used to always having something in my mouth and to stop biting I took up gum, which works for only so long because I have TMJ which kills my jaw. I've tried lollipops, I guess I could do it again, I just go through them faster than a smoker does and even then I'll sit and chew on the stick. I have also seen people chew on toothpicks, which I could try as well. I guess for now though, I'll try other options in hopes it will work.

by "underage" you mean under 21, right? not under 18.

 

[frequentflyer]

I think asking addicts who are wanting to get out of the addiction is the wrong place to go if you want to play with our favorite drug. We will almost all say no because of the fight we have gone to. Why play with fire? I am solidly in the NO camp.