i would stock up just a little bit if i could.. if even to save it as a once in a while thing if everything gets out right banned. same as my guns... not too awfully worried about either scenario though
should we be stocking up just in case
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I joined CASAA, I would have done it earlier but I hate hate hate joining stuff. I find it utterly ridiculous that I have to join groups and write letters and make phone calls in an attempt to convince the government to leave me alone. I am not hurting anyone and I am more comfortable taking my chances with the free market than trusting anything the FDA/government puts out (these are the same people who let cigarettes be sold along with our gmo crops and have approved more chemicals that we can ever hope to count being sprayed and on our fruits and vegetables.....meat products that don’t actually have anything a normal person would consider meat in and those that do actually have yet more hormones and chemicals to deal with. We should have the option to just opt out ....let the FDA run some sort of voluntary seal that those who wish to have it can go on ahead and jump through hoops and those that feel more comfortable with the government can go ahead and buy the overpriced junk the government lets puts out………I am stocking this month so I have pre government juice for myself and next month as the FDA releases its love letter I will take my entire cigarette budget from when I was smoking analogs and sending it to CASAA since I will be coasting on my stockpiled nicotine. We need to hope for the best but prepare for the worst.
If I lived in Oklahoma I would be stocking up right now for sure.
CASAA: Call to Action! Oklahoma Bill to Tax E-Cigarettes and More -- SB 802
Joining CASAA is one thing, writing the e-mails and making the phone calls is quite another!
We defeated like legislation here in Utah last month, (thanks in large part to your efforts), now it's time to do the same for Oklahoma.
CASAA: Call to Action! Oklahoma Bill to Tax E-Cigarettes and More -- SB 802
Joining CASAA is one thing, writing the e-mails and making the phone calls is quite another!
We defeated like legislation here in Utah last month, (thanks in large part to your efforts), now it's time to do the same for Oklahoma.
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Naive? Maybe.... Maybe not.
I said I would welcome regulatory purity controls. Why? Because already at least one reputable mainstream vendor has been found to distribute nic that was significantly different than the labeling. One sample of nic labeled as 100mg/l tested to be over two and half times more potent than that, while other samples were considerably weaker than labeled. Why this happened is irrelevant, it NEVER should have made it out of the door. Proper QC should have caught it in-house. This was a respected and reputable vendor (who has since cleaned up his act and now publishes testing data to document purity) but it just goes to show that without some regulatory controls we could actually get poisoned! Many vendors have these controls already in place, but nothing "requires" them to. The local Mom & Pop shop could mix up some juice on the kitchen counter without any oversight whatsoever. If they are careless we could get more than we bargained for. The vaping community does do a fair job at policing itself, hence the above vendor was called on his mistake, but nonetheless I would love to see enforceable standards in place similar to food safety standards.
Now, all of that being said, I do not trust the FDA to simply impose manufacturing quality standards and leave it at that. I have no doubt that they are capable of over reacting and regulating far more than just purity, which I would not welcome. Who knows where they will go, but I dont trust them. That is why I built up a sizable stash of my own.
Anyway, I dont feel that wanting to be safe is naive........
they wont ban them just maybe? regulate eliquid to 4 mg? bizarre and stupid! Black markets always available lol id do it
even if they ban it, china will still be producing all the mods and juices
they can stop local b&m's, but they can't shut china down.
they can stop local b&m's, but they can't shut china down.
Agreed. I can't count the petitions I've signed, and the comments made on proposed changes/rules. They are bought/owned by the big corps and their lobby groups. I'm slowly switching everything to organic because I don't want what they say is "acceptable" (allowing aspartame in MILK but not labeling it is one of the latest). I won't vent here about all the adulterated food in our supply. They need to be taken out behind the woodshed and whooped.
I joined CASAA yesterday. I can't use patches. I can't use gum. I'm so medication sensitive that I can't and won't take the pharma they offer to help you quit. I've tried cold turkey for 30 years off and on. I just can't. I don't smoke much, but can't walk away. I'm hoping that when I can get all my supplies in, I can put the pack in the trash and then wean down nic to very low or zero. It is an alternate cessation method for me and others.
If they regulate nicotine availabilty and make the % very low, why wouldn't that also apply to analogs? double standard.
I haven't even started vaping (waiting on juice), but now I'm very concerned they are going to slap my hand before I even get a chance to see if it helps me quit cigs.
I agree. I did join CASAA, because I do believe that there is certainbly a danger that knee-jerk fear due to both lack of understanding as well as some others who have their own reasons (financially, for example) could effect a ban, which would be short-sighted and harmful to all those who have, and in the future will quit smoking cigarettes.
Having said that, I also think that it is myopic to even fantasize that e-liquid in particular will ever stay exempt from regulation...and as Mikepetro says, eliquid really should have some regulatory safeguards. I would hope that through organizations like CASAA, reasonable folks can prevail, and those regulations be sensible and not overly arbitrary...although certainly, to some, any regulating may be too much.
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I , for one do not want the FDA regulating eliquid or anything related to Vaping.
Why ???
Because the FDA has such a bad record of regulating anything it touches.
Because the FDA regulating anything does not guarantee the safety of any product
Because more regulations do not help the economy, jobs or innovation in the US.
Because I am tired and poor supporting all of this Overbearing, Bloated and Elitist Government.
I can not afford to support more Government regulators and nobility.
Be gone- and let ME choose what, where, when and how to Vape.
I , for one do not want the FDA regulating eliquid or anything related to Vaping.
Why ???
Because the FDA has such a bad record of regulating anything it touches.
Because the FDA regulating anything does not guarantee the safety of any product
Because more regulations do not help the economy, jobs or innovation in the US.
Because I am tired and poor supporting all of this Overbearing, Bloated and Elitist Government.
I can not afford to support more Government regulators and nobility.
Be gone- and let ME choose what, where, when and how to Vape.
They will help you if given the chance, a lot here me included didn’t even set out to quit when we started, it just sort of happened. The things they have done to our food, water an air is despicable. The misinformation we are fed is more massive than most people could even begin to dream, telling people to research is pointless no one has time to research every single facet of their lives so we go around doing things like taking medication the FDA assures are safe until enough people have a enough side deadly side effects that can’t keep it quiet anymore or drinking waters that has fluoride added to it , fluoride that is nearly impossible to get out when you would like to decline it at their dosing levels, shoot our children up with vaccines without even bothering to learn exactly what they are injecting there. I can rant forever but as you said this is neither the time nor place; people just have to be really careful when it comes to what to believe and make sure they research the things that mean the most.
The people here our human and therefore care about other people, as the community continues to grow so will the collective knowledge and yes they do a good job policing themselves and each other. Whatever happens I for one have no intention of following the FDA into whatever rabbit hole they plan on leading us down.
The people here our human and therefore care about other people, as the community continues to grow so will the collective knowledge and yes they do a good job policing themselves and each other. Whatever happens I for one have no intention of following the FDA into whatever rabbit hole they plan on leading us down.
Agreed. I can't count the petitions I've signed, and the comments made on proposed changes/rules. They are bought/owned by the big corps and their lobby groups. I'm slowly switching everything to organic because I don't want what they say is "acceptable" (allowing aspartame in MILK but not labeling it is one of the latest). I won't vent here about all the adulterated food in our supply. They need to be taken out behind the woodshed and whooped.
I joined CASAA yesterday. I can't use patches. I can't use gum. I'm so medication sensitive that I can't and won't take the pharma they offer to help you quit. I've tried cold turkey for 30 years off and on. I just can't. I don't smoke much, but can't walk away. I'm hoping that when I can get all my supplies in, I can put the pack in the trash and then wean down nic to very low or zero. It is an alternate cessation method for me and others.
If they regulate nicotine availabilty and make the % very low, why wouldn't that also apply to analogs? double standard.
I haven't even started vaping (waiting on juice), but now I'm very concerned they are going to slap my hand before I even get a chance to see if it helps me quit cigs.
Without trying to find the post, what help are you looking for? Maybe I can help, at least I'll try.
Love this and it should be our right to take that personal risk and opt out of any government regulation they put in place, those that want regulation can pay that bill, Same as a lot of things though I guess, I never could figure out what business the government had with anything I chose to do that affects me and only me .
even if they ban it, china will still be producing all the mods and juices
they can stop local b&m's, but they can't shut china down.
They stopped the import of Chinese vaping products including eliquid back in 2009. The shipments were confiscated in port. Threatening letters were sent to suppliers. That is no solution.
Shortly after I joined CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association my wife, a lifelong non smoker and non vaper, also joined...not an exclusive org only for vapers but also for those that have seen the power of vaping and all it has done for us IMO. She also made a separate donation 
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Wanting to be safe is not naive. Trusting the FDA to provide that safety IS naive. I have no issue with people wanting the products they consume to be safe. And to date, vaping supplies have been as safe if not safer than our food supplies like chicken and ground beef. Knowing what the FDA's real agenda is when it comes to vaping, I cannot see how any of us would want them to be the ones providing this so-called safety. There are other alternatives that would be better than the FDA.
Have you considered joining CASAA?
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Agree completely. Knowingly allowing a product that many believe to be a healthy alternative yet containing a toxic poison and this in the year 2013???
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