Why do people say, "cold turkey" as if it's a bad thing? I love a nice cold turkey sammich with lettuce, tomato and mayo! Lots of black pepper too.
this sammich fails cuz a.) no bacon and b.) mayo.
therefore all cold turkey fails!!
Q.E.D.!
Sick of being demonized
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this sammich fails cuz a.) no bacon and b.) mayo.
therefore all cold turkey fails!!
Q.E.D.!
I myself have given several times the "NA-beer example", asking people if someone, who abused beer in the past, and has been drinking NA-beer exclusively (An alchool-free ALTERNATIVE to regular beer), for the last five years, should be still considered a drunk. And if that person can honestly and accurately state that "I have not touched alchool in the past five years."
Mostly, I get the obvious answers: "No" and "Yes".
But when I try to compare NA-beer with our devices (Healthier alternatives to similar products, made to "mimic" the original, but without the main health concerns - alchool and smoke, respectively), some people do not seem to grasp the concept.
In this very forum, someone told me something like "You are wrong. We using the e-cig instead of smoking is more like someone quitting beer and starting having wine instead"
I pointed out that would be more like us quitting cigarettes and start smoking pipe tobacco instead. Never got a response to that one.
When I started vaping in 2009, I expected to be accepted by the average Joe as an EX-smoker. I DID stop smoking, after all. But no, it's not that simple...
At most, the average Joe seems to believe that we are cheaters, because we did not quit smoking the "right" way. Either that, or he will tell you that "You have not really quit smoking, so stop fooling yourself" (Yep, that was in THIS very forum also - the same poster I talked about earlier)
And to go a little deeper about the whole "cold turkey" crowd: We all seek validation and praise, it is a human condition. We all like to believe we are right, and have done some great thing. That's normal, it's just that some people are more obnoxious about it than others.
I would be tempted to confront a "cold turkey" preener with mock adulation about how hard and difficult it must have been, and how strong a person they were for having endured the monumental event of giving up smokes by just saying no. YMMV.
Well if someone can quit smoking 'cold turkey' I certainly will not hold it against them. I can only say that when I tried that, I was threatened with divorce, and one of my kids got married & moved out. It was not a fun time!
I would be inclined to ask him to turn around, then look down and say "I thought so. Did you know your a**e and your mouth are about the same size. Funny thing is both emit the same matter". Or words to that effect.
I know exactly how you feel. I encountered the same attitude from a bunch of cold turkey quitters when I went to a popular quit smoking site. Imagine the gall I had to declare myself a non-smoker! What followed were days of being told I was wrong, that I was still smoking, only something WORSE than cigarettes. It was terrible, and I don't use that site anymore.
It makes me feel bad for those who have been on the roller coaster for so long, like I was. I've been smoke free for almost 140 days now, and that's longer than any cold turkey attempt ever resulted in. The proof is in YOU, just like it's in ME.
It makes me feel bad for those who have been on the roller coaster for so long, like I was. I've been smoke free for almost 140 days now, and that's longer than any cold turkey attempt ever resulted in. The proof is in YOU, just like it's in ME.
Not to be rude, but this is one thing I don't like about some ex-smoking vapers. Who cares how many cigs or packs you smoked a day and for how long? A smoker is a smoker, whether they smoke 5 a day or a pack a day. It's not a pissing match. Congratulations, you smoked way more cigarettes than that person! Who's the better person? Just my opinion.
One of my husbands long time friends had quit smoking cold turkey well before I had met him. I met him...oh about wow 17 years ago! Anyway, he was busting on me about quitting smoking and how he did it cold turkey. Ok.. Smile and nod. Agree to let it go etc...
Fast forward to 2012. His daughter was getting married and we flew to be there to join in the festivities. He saw me with my little eGo and cartridge system. Asked me how that was working for me? I thought, oh boy! I'm going to get an earful now! Hah'! Turns out he started smoking again within the last two years and was interested in possibly trying the e-cig.
Bottom line, you can quit smoking but it never really quits you. Ecigs give me a better chance of succeeding and I don't think about a cigarette on a daily, hourly or minute basis.
Fast forward to 2012. His daughter was getting married and we flew to be there to join in the festivities. He saw me with my little eGo and cartridge system. Asked me how that was working for me? I thought, oh boy! I'm going to get an earful now! Hah'! Turns out he started smoking again within the last two years and was interested in possibly trying the e-cig.
Bottom line, you can quit smoking but it never really quits you. Ecigs give me a better chance of succeeding and I don't think about a cigarette on a daily, hourly or minute basis.
Don't let others control your emotions! I know that is often easier said then done, but ultimately we control our own emotions. Everyone says, "that so and so really ticked me off!" No, he/she did something that you allowed to tick you off.
When I get comments like that I typically respond with "well, I am trilled that something worked for you, this works for me, thanks." Generally followed by, "good bye."
I live in the south, so if I really want to throw in my own little zinger, I add, "and, bless your heart!" Usually takes them awhile, but they will get it.
When I get comments like that I typically respond with "well, I am trilled that something worked for you, this works for me, thanks." Generally followed by, "good bye."
I live in the south, so if I really want to throw in my own little zinger, I add, "and, bless your heart!" Usually takes them awhile, but they will get it.
i say develop a twitch in one eye, scratch the same place on your neck until it bleeds, and anytime a pious ex-smoker approaches you to admonish your vaping habit, develop a huge toothy grin.
it will help if you lose some teeth. have some dirty and unkempt fingernails. just look really way too pleased when they approach you. then the whole problem will take care of itself when their fear becomes greater then their sense of self-righteousness.
it will help if you lose some teeth. have some dirty and unkempt fingernails. just look really way too pleased when they approach you. then the whole problem will take care of itself when their fear becomes greater then their sense of self-righteousness.
My opinion is I don't care how you have to quit smoking as long you quit smoking and quit giving BT your money. A friend supports you trying to quit no matter how and certainly doesn't belittle your method or try to tell you that you are doing it wrong. That seems selfish to me.
To the person spewing self-righteous venom:
"Whether out of sheer ignorance, pretended ignorance, fear of relapse, bitterness at the lifelong threat of relapse, jealousy over another person's lack of suffering, or just pure mean-spiritedness . . . . (pausing and looking directly and calmly into their eyes) . . . . Shame on you."
"Whether out of sheer ignorance, pretended ignorance, fear of relapse, bitterness at the lifelong threat of relapse, jealousy over another person's lack of suffering, or just pure mean-spiritedness . . . . (pausing and looking directly and calmly into their eyes) . . . . Shame on you."
a lot of people seem to not what is and,what is not addiction.
the classic definition of addiction is habit that causes harm. if the habit doesn't cause harm its just a habit.
quitting so called "cold turkey" can be misleading. for any drug that has addictive qualities roughly 10 to 25% of users
never develope an addiction to that drug. this is true regardless of amount used and length of time using it.
having worked part time in a bar/grill for over 20 years i have found that many people are social smokers whom only smoke when out socialising with the gang.
peer pressure,the coolness factor,rebel with out a cause syndrome, the habit of lighting one up under certain circumstances are some of the many reasons people smoke. so beware when one says i quit cold turkey.
nicotine by itself may not be as addictive or harmful as believed.
The Great Nicotine Myth
so chin up. dont let your friend get you down. remember the fact is some people whom have quit cold turkey like to use that fact as a hammer in the game of one upmanship. when one only has a hammer,every thing becomes a nail.
good luck and regards,
mike
the classic definition of addiction is habit that causes harm. if the habit doesn't cause harm its just a habit.
quitting so called "cold turkey" can be misleading. for any drug that has addictive qualities roughly 10 to 25% of users
never develope an addiction to that drug. this is true regardless of amount used and length of time using it.
having worked part time in a bar/grill for over 20 years i have found that many people are social smokers whom only smoke when out socialising with the gang.
peer pressure,the coolness factor,rebel with out a cause syndrome, the habit of lighting one up under certain circumstances are some of the many reasons people smoke. so beware when one says i quit cold turkey.
nicotine by itself may not be as addictive or harmful as believed.
The Great Nicotine Myth
so chin up. dont let your friend get you down. remember the fact is some people whom have quit cold turkey like to use that fact as a hammer in the game of one upmanship. when one only has a hammer,every thing becomes a nail.
good luck and regards,
mike
I have a sneaky feeling cold turkey ex-smokers are somehow jealous of vapers because they didn't have PVs when they quit the stinkies. Then they have the gall to punish us because we didn't quit like they did: cold turkey, suffering withdrawal pangs. Now the Smug Ex-Smoker covers up his/her cravings by looking down their noses at current smokers, some whom can't or won't quit; and now, vapers, who either vastly reduced their stinkie intake or quit by switching to PVs and e-cigs, instead of quitting according to the decrees of SXS (smug ex-smokers), especially those whose attitude smacks of "If I can quit cold turkey, anybody can."
Maybe we ought to turn the tables on Cold Turkey fascists by forcing them to look in the mirror before they sit in judgment of vapers. Only then might they see how smug, judgmental, self-righteous, selfish, and/or self-centered they really act like.
Maybe we ought to turn the tables on Cold Turkey fascists by forcing them to look in the mirror before they sit in judgment of vapers. Only then might they see how smug, judgmental, self-righteous, selfish, and/or self-centered they really act like.
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If you want to "get him back" then ignore the comment, change nothing about your vaping position unless warranted, and just snicker dismissively if he makes issue of it again. Alcoholics are self-centered egomancis with inferiority complexes to a much greater degree than the general populace. Being ignored and discounted on an issue they feel they know something about is way more irritating to them than most people. Your buddy may just shut up, or may move off the topic if it involves changing his thinking, another thing alcoholics dislike doing intensely.
I think what Towmotor meant to say is that those "cold turkey" lectures come from people who have really cut down on their cigarette use before quitting at last, and for good.
I can imagine it must be much easier to quit when you have spent years smoking only 5-10 cigs a day. Before the e-cig, the longest time I have spent without smoking (around 5-6 months) was precisely when a pack of cigarettes would last for two or three days.
If those people had tried to quit when they were smoking 2 PAD, maybe, just maybe, they would have nothing to brag about. Because they would probably have failed, like all of us "weaklings" who cannot quit cold-turkey.
This. One of my best friends is a 'Cold Turkey Nazi' and demonizes PV's and vaporizing as often as he can. It drives me crazy, but I've come to realize that there is no changing what he thinks. Obviously, because he quit cold turkey the world could and should do the same.
A city here in Colorado, one of the states that just legalized a certain illicit substance mind you, just outright banned PV's in public places. Seriously, that is completely ludicrous. Especially when cigarettes aren't even banned there. The worst part? We, as Coloradans, didn't even get a say in the matter. A group of a few decided that it's best for the rest that they were banned.
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