Sigelei #19 Tips, tricks, and DON'Ts

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Finally got around to polishing my 19 :)

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That's nice!! always wondered what the 19 would look like polished, seen them burned but not polished. Looks really good! I polished my nzonic head and the lock ring, which kinda gave it a 2-tone look. Wet sand 1000 and 2000 then buffed it with white rogue polishing compound.
 

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So.
I have had the 19b in my hands for about a week now and I haven't been able to stop tinkering with the dang thing since I opened the package. Mostly it has been little tweaks here and there- mostly on the switch. I tried my hardest to get decent quality pics so I apologize to the macro and lighting snobs now.
Once I got the switch apart and decided I didn't want to keep the magnet, the challenge began. I ended up shredding the magnet entirely and finally ended up with the button clamped in a vise, cold-chiseling the Magnet frags out of the switch cup (yes, there is an easier way but it gave me an excuse to use that tiny little chisel in my set. And hammers are fun too.)
Once I got the switch pin cleaned up, I started to think about what I should use to replace the magnet. Some members I have read about using a brass screw or nut to fill the void, but no. Simple is not me, and the handle of the hammer was still warm soooooo-
I dug up an old piece of brass round stock and thought that with the right amount of brute force and finesse, I could whip SOMEthing up.
As pictured below, I started with the stock and cut off a thickness about 3/16". Using my handy dandy hammer and anvil, I flattened the disk out until it was a tad larger than the original magnet. Using a fine file, I slowly worked around the edges making sure to keep it as round as possible and not file too much at once. Thickness was of no concern at this point. Once the replacement contact was a hair larger than the cup in the switch pin, I inserted both into the vise and pressed (carefully) the new contact into the cup in place of the magnet. No glue, just good old-fashioned force and friction.
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Once I had the switch pin set, it was only a matter of filing down to the proper clearance to fire the mod with the shortened throw (if you so choose) which brought me to the next step.
I saw videos and read posts about using an o-ring to shorten the throw and it seemed like an easy enough fix, so I tried. Hated it. The already wobbly switch seemed to get more wobbly and it occurred to me that it was just sloppy all over. The best fix I could find was to get a piece of heavy plastic and cut it to the size of the inner well on the delrin. This not only shortens the throw, but gives the switch pin a tighter fit inside the delrin and the wobble is gone. Switch pin upside-down in the delrin to show the fit:
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And alone:
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Right then. With the throw shortened and the switch de-wobbled, I swapped the spring with one I had lying around- nothing fancy and who wants to see spring pictures anyhow, right?
My last problem was the hot, sparky button. It was my understanding from reading and such that the big issue was the point of contact between the switch button and the body of the mod itself. As luck would have it, I found some thin copper flashing that I had been saving for such an occasion and I cut a ring that fit snugly against the Locking ring so that the button would have sure contact when depressed. Looks ugly but haven't had a misfire, hot button or *bzzzzzt* yet:
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The copper "washer" serves a bit of dual-purpose for me, because I couldn't stand that the button needed to be pushed all the way up into the locking ring to fire. My sensitive pinky didn't agree with the edge. By adding the washer and balancing out the throw, the switch fires without having to fully depress, thus not needing to press it entirely into the locking ring to fire. Hoping that makes sense....
So that was my week of tinkering in a nutshell- I spent a little time on the POS nzonic cap- flushed the 510, ditched the spring and cut a groove into the existing post so that it could still be used and truly adjusted, but that wasn't as much fun as the switch.
In summation- it is an awesome mod for a great price and I had zero guilt about ripping it apart within 30 minutes of opening the package. With a little work, it can hang with the best. I'm finding it hard to resist the urge to find a laser-etching place to finish it up for me. This should do nicely.....
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Very Nice Minimal Saint!

That post was prose to my ears and dont sell yourself short on the pics. Great post. A custom brass insert and I like really like the custom plastic washer to straighten out the path of the brass pin. Does it sit tight in the delrin and the brass slides through it or does it sit tight around the brass and slides inside the delrin sorta like the oring fix?

Edit: On second look that plastic insert is inside the switch right?
 
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Very Nice Minimal Saint!

That post was prose to my ears and dont sell yourself short on the pics. Great post. A custom brass insert and I like really like the custom plastic washer to straighten out the path of the brass pin. Does it sit tight in the delrin and the brass slides through it or does it sit tight around the brass and slides inside the delrin sorta like the oring fix?

Thanks for the kind words- I am at the mercy of poor lighting and an iPhone camera so I did what I could LOL... Glad to give back to our community in any little way!
The plastic washer is pressed onto the pin itself so that it travels with. It took a little bit of filing to get the proper fit without binding in the delrin cup, but once you get a good fit it is super smooth and like nothing is even there.
 

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Thanks minimalsaint :thumbs:

My switch is soaking in alcohol as I type this, hoping that it works.....:glare:

I heard that a hot/cold "shock" (heat switch pin with magnet then drop into cold water) will pop the magnet out, and have also hear of just heat to melt the glue that holds the magnet in and remove it with pliers....
But I have a tendency to ALWAYS grab any piece of metal I have heated and I could see myself holding a hot chunk of brass and doing something stupid..... So I tried my luck with something different. Turns out it only took a few good taps and the magnet came out in a few fairly large pieces. A little cleanup and all was good!
I don't even know how replacing the magnet affected the performance, but it was lots of fun!
Good luck with the alcohol- hopefully you are enjoying a thorough alcohol soak yourself on a Friday night!!
 

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I heard that a hot/cold "shock" (heat switch pin with magnet then drop into cold water) will pop the magnet out, and have also hear of just heat to melt the glue that holds the magnet in and remove it with pliers....
But I have a tendency to ALWAYS grab any piece of metal I have heated and I could see myself holding a hot chunk of brass and doing something stupid..... So I tried my luck with something different. Turns out it only took a few good taps and the magnet came out in a few fairly large pieces. A little cleanup and all was good!
I don't even know how replacing the magnet affected the performance, but it was lots of fun!
Good luck with the alcohol- hopefully you are enjoying a thorough alcohol soak yourself on a Friday night!!
LOL, I'm just trying to get the button apart for now (as in out of the housing). I haven't decided on possible magnet mods yet. :lol:
 

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LOL, I'm just trying to get the button apart for now (as in out of the housing). I haven't decided on possible magnet mods yet. :lol:

Ahhhhh my misunderstanding.
I ended up depressing the button fully and grabbed ahold of the magnet with some pliers... A few good twists and the loctite in the threads broke loose. I would not recommend this if you plan on keeping the magnet intact though. It was the beginning of the end for mine.

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As you can see from the pics I have a brass button pretty much ready to go- it would take a little effort on your part but if you want to give this mod a shot I will drop it in the mail for you!
 
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Ahhhhh my misunderstanding.
I ended up depressing the button fully and grabbed ahold of the magnet with some pliers... A few good twists and the loctite in the threads broke loose. I would not recommend this if you plan on keeping the magnet intact though. It was the beginning of the end for mine.
Thanks, I'll save that maneuver for last then...
 

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Thanks minimalsaint :thumbs:

My switch is soaking in alcohol as I type this, hoping that it works.....:glare:

Good luck ;)
I have had my 19B for a couple days now. I've barely used it cuz I've been soaking the button to get the magnet off to mod the switch a little. I've tried 91% IPA; GooGone; and Acetone. This f*ng thing won't come off! I'm laughing and crying at the same time.
The magnet is already chipped - got it that way. At least it works.

The only other things I've done to mine was shave down the 510 connector and shaved the delrin top insert threads.

I want to mod this switch! I think I may just have to just chip away at it. I swear this thing is soldered on or something.
F* Sigelei! LOL. Even if I didn't want to mod this switch; it just bothers me that I can't easily disassemble it.
 

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Good luck ;)
I have had my 19B for a couple days now. I've barely used it cuz I've been soaking the button to get the magnet off to mod the switch a little. I've tried 91% IPA; GooGone; and Acetone. This f*ng thing won't come off! I'm laughing and crying at the same time.
The magnet is already chipped - got it that way. At least it works.

The only other things I've done to mine was shave down the 510 connector and shaved the delrin top insert threads.

I want to mod this switch! I think I may just have to just chip away at it. I swear this thing is soldered on or something.
F* Sigelei! LOL. Even if I didn't want to mod this switch; it just bothers me that I can't easily disassemble it.

Your other option is to cut a slot in the magnet so you can use a screwdriver to twist it.
 

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Good luck ;)
I have had my 19B for a couple days now. I've barely used it cuz I've been soaking the button to get the magnet off to mod the switch a little. I've tried 91% IPA; GooGone; and Acetone. This f*ng thing won't come off! I'm laughing and crying at the same time.
The magnet is already chipped - got it that way. At least it works.

The only other things I've done to mine was shave down the 510 connector and shaved the delrin top insert threads.

I want to mod this switch! I think I may just have to just chip away at it. I swear this thing is soldered on or something.
F* Sigelei! LOL. Even if I didn't want to mod this switch; it just bothers me that I can't easily disassemble it.
LOL, I haven't touched it since I put it in alcohol last night. Maybe I'll just let it sit there awhile longer....
Sorry that you're having issues, I anticipate the same...
 

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Your other option is to cut a slot in the magnet so you can use a screwdriver to twist it.

Yeah, that was what I was planning initially - my dremel cutoff wheel is a bit on the big side and I don't want to damage the delrin insert by accident (accidents happen often with me :blush:)

Here's a couple of pics of my switch and sanded 510 connector.

The large chunk was what was missing before I started messing with it.
The other little bits are from gripping that b*ch with pliers.
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I used a flat sanding head on the dremel to shave the 510 connector down a bit.
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Just a thought here for folks that are having issues taking the switch ...'y apart. You could drill a small (smaller than you would need to tap threads) and gently drive a small nail (finishing nail maybe) into the hole. Then you would at least have something more to hang onto with pliers when trying to turn the bottom button. Then mod as usual.

I was one of the lucky ones. Mine came right apart but I have another #19 coming from Exhale next week so I may be in the same boat as some of you then.
 
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