Slow Cooker Extraction of Tobacco and Tea

[DeadPerfect]

ok, thanks alot. i will use pg only. i want to do this to aquire the essense of the net.. not so much concerned with flavor. my fav juice is Gi Joe from aroma, and its pretty much tasteless. but id be willing to combine leafs if it will add some character to the net. any suggestions?

 

[billherbst]

DeadPerfect,

Scarfy would be the person to ask about tobaccos, since she's done more macerations than anyone else on this thread (I think). I've done only one, and I used old tobacco I had in the garage, so I'm not much of a resource.

Also, you might contact Diane at MyVapeJuice (link) for info about selecting single-leaf tobaccos for making NETs. She's done a whole gaggle of single-leaf extracts and even sells them at MVJ. Her supplier thread is MVJ NET extracts and her ECF handle is "Yes_its_Me" if you want to PM her.

 

[scarf-ace]

DeadPerfect, when you say "essence of the NET", are you talking about WTA? Because I really don't know if this method preserves or removes them or what.

I still haven't tried any single leaf extracts but I did cook one of my new tobacco acquisitions: Dunhill Early Morning Blend. Slightly funky with a bit of Latakia bite to it. I tried it at 50% and 33%, and surprisingly for me, I like the weaker one better.

 

[DeadPerfect]

billherbst, thanks, i didnt even know someone was selling extracts only. ill check it out.

scar-face, i read this whole thread. im aware this may not produce wta, but from what ive read, it really boosts the quality of a pg/vg unflavored nic juice. thats what im looking for. i prefer a relatively nominal flavor, but would like to combine leafs to get a more satsfying tobacco blend flavor from the extract. not sure what to buy with the flue cured. mabey the burley as one person tried... forgot who.

 

[thedesbois]

I've been using this method for over a year now. My original posts can be found in the thread "Impatient newbie strikes again...". Currently on page 2 of this Sub-Forum.

The key details that I have found to work the best using this process are as follows:

1. I use cut up cigars. I cut the cigars into grass sized pieces to fill a baby food bottle half way up.

2. Fill the bottle with PG until the tobacco is just submerged plus 1/4". Use only PG as the solvent liquid. We are trying to extract the flavor from the tobacco and PG works much better than VG or water for this purpose. Alcohol is much too strong to use for this.

3. Use small sealed bottles inside the covered slow cooker. I use baby food bottles and place a small dinner plate over the bottles to keep them from floating away when I fill the slow cooker with water to just under the bottle lids.

4. Cook on low for 8 to 12 hours. It seems that not much is gained to cook longer than 12 hours in my opinion.

5. Use coffee filters to filter the extract twice.

My thoughts:

My extracts are atty killers if vaped straight. I use the extract as a flavoring additive to my juices. I only use about 6 drops of extract in 10ml of juice. I use regular tobacco flavors to give the juice character.

I almost always add at least 2 drops of extract to every 10ml of juice I make. If it is a tobacco flavored juice I will use 6 drops per 10ml.

I have found that this was the missing ingredient I was searching for that I knew was missing from the juices I was making. I am almost positive that the high end vendors use a similar method when they make their juice.

For people trying to extract coffee flavor:

Look on the DIY forum for the coffee MICROWAVE METHOD.

The process for coffee flavors is much easier. You put the coffee in PG and microwave it and then let it steep overnight. Bingo! you have coffee flavoring! The whole process is spelled out in a thread in the DIY forum.

Good luck!

Thanks for posting and sharing your method!

Just did your exact process using a Romeo y Julieta Coronita en Cedro, handmade in Habana, Cuba.

Dripped the 100% PG filtered extract (I care not about the coil, I use RBA) in my IGO-L. Pure, perfect cigar heaven!!! And got around 200 ml out of a single cigar. Wonder when I'll vape all of this. Cause I'm sure gonna be making many more extracts soon.

 

[scarf-ace]

Thanks for posting and sharing your method!

Just did your exact process using a Romeo y Julieta Coronita en Cedro, handmade in Habana, Cuba.

Dripped the 100% PG filtered extract (I care not about the coil, I use RBA) in my IGO-L. Pure, perfect cigar heaven!!! And got around 200 ml out of a single cigar. Wonder when I'll vape all of this. Cause I'm sure gonna be making many more extracts soon.

If you are friends with other vapers, spread the love a little. Most of my extracts have been given away as gifts....with a healthy proportion kept for myself, of course

 

[thedesbois]

If you are friends with other vapers, spread the love a little. Most of my extracts have been given away as gifts....with a healthy proportion kept for myself, of course

Will do for sure!

 

[thedesbois]

Oh and I'm sure the Canadians will kick some Ranger's .... if they meet in the finals.

 

[scarf-ace]

Oh and I'm sure the Canadians will kick some Ranger's .... if they meet in the finals.

YOU BITE YOUR TONGUE, MONSIEUR!

(and unfortunately that is a pretty big if...my blueshirts are a bit uninspired to put it delicately)

 

[thedesbois]

Well the CH just lost 3 in a row, very badly... Everything can happen in the playoffs.

 

[DeadPerfect]

so whats the optimal percentage to add to a juice? 20%? ill be working with 36mg juice to add it too.

 

[thedesbois]

I think it depends on the flavour strength of your concentrate and your personal preference. I just mixed mine at 60%. 1ml of 50/50 60mg nic, 1ml of VG and 3ml of cigar extract (PG). A little weak for my taste. My extract might be weaker than yours. I think it's all about trial and error.

 

[billherbst]

The one maceration I've done was made with 2 1/2-year-old cigarette tobacco---Skydancer brand Native American all-natural, no-additives cigarettes. Since it was so old and dried out (I stopped smoking in October 2010 when I started vaping, but I kept some cartons of Skydancer in the garage, thinking they might come in handy for barter at some unknown time in the future if the world economy goes down the tubes), I figured that it might make a weak extract. So, on my first small test batch of juice, I mixed my Skydancer extract at 40%. Wow. Complete overkill and tasted terrible. On the next batch, I lowered the mix percentage to 25%. Better, but still too much. Eventually I settled on an 8-15% mix percentage, depending on the other flavorings I use to make a given blend. At that very low percentage, my extract makes delightfully tasty juice.

As thedesbois wrote, finding the sweet spot mix percentage for your extract is a trial-and-error process.

 

[DeadPerfect]

ok, thanks. ill try three tests: 10, 20, and 30% with the 36mg 75pg 25vg nic juice i got coming. so is it universally soncidered that 2 weeks steep is needed?

 

[billherbst]

ok, thanks. ill try three tests: 10, 20, and 30% with the 36mg 75pg 25vg nic juice i got coming. so is it universally soncidered that 2 weeks steep is needed?

Nope. Nothing is cast in stone. A particular DIY juice might be good to go, another will require a two-week steep, and still others don't bloom for months and months.

 

[DeadPerfect]

cool. well i got a 1/4lb sample of both Virginia Flue Cured and Burley from LeafOnly, so i hope 2 weeks isnt needed. although i really have no way on knowing. i mean i can test it right away, then in a week, then a week later, but its not gonna be easy remembering the exact flavor weeks out at a time. guess i can stagger 3 tests and try them simultaneously.

the sell a combo pack of 75% flue cured, 25% Burley, so im gonna assume thats a good combo, and thats what im gonna try.

 

[mecocina]

The mix I did with chamomile tea came out pretty good. I used 3 tea bags worth, 1oz pg and 1 oz vg. Shook it up several times a day. By day three I couldn't wait so I strained it using a coffee filter. Ended up with just over an 1oz of amber colored concentrate. Next time I'll just leave the tea in their own bags or switch to cheesecloth so I don't lose an ounce of liquid.

I made a 3ml test batch using 12% tea, 6% nic and 1% sweetener and let it sit for a week. Just tried it last night and it's pretty darn good. A very nice night time vape. I'm going to try red hibiscus and rooibos next.

 

[mecocina]

double post

 

[Mudflap]

cool. well i got a 1/4lb sample of both Virginia Flue Cured and Burley from LeafOnly, so i hope 2 weeks isnt needed. although i really have no way on knowing. i mean i can test it right away, then in a week, then a week later, but its not gonna be easy remembering the exact flavor weeks out at a time. guess i can stagger 3 tests and try them simultaneously.

the sell a combo pack of 75% flue cured, 25% Burley, so im gonna assume thats a good combo, and thats what im gonna try.

I really liked the Burley as a stand alone. The Virginia Flue Cured was eeirely similar to actually smoking. So much so, I didn't care for it. I like thick, tasty vapor now and not harsh tobacco smoke.

 

[DeadPerfect]

i like it harsh, lol

wanted to mention something about extraction methods used here;

after the slow cook, it isnt effective to strain the batch with the leafs... its way too slow, and you lose way too much juice. what i done the second time is pull the batch out of the glass container once it cools down, and put it into a bowl. put on a latex glove, and squeeze the tobacco juice into a metal strainer over a cup. then i strain that juice twice in a coffee filter twice. this way gets 3 more times the juice, and doesnt take days to strain. the first squeeze strain is immidiate in my normal mesh strainer. the other two coffee filter strains take about an hour each. and you end up with much more juice. steeping now.