Thanks. Yes I'm pretty much surprised about the taste of BS too. Maybe I tainted the juice in my sample bottle. I tried it recently too, there's nothing bad in it, it's just very dilute tasting. Meanwhile, other juices from GeJ and some others from N-E-T.com are tasting good.
Slow Cooker Extraction of Tobacco and Tea
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Thanks. Yes I'm pretty much surprised about the taste of BS too. Maybe I tainted the juice in my sample bottle. I tried it recently too, there's nothing bad in it, it's just very dilute tasting. Meanwhile, other juices from GeJ and some others from N-E-T.com are tasting good.
So I just stopped by the cigar shop on the way back from class and picked up two house blends: Amaretto and Butter Pecan.
I got two ounces of each so I have a little room to experiment. How much more effective is the slow cooker extraction method over microwaving?
I got two ounces of each so I have a little room to experiment. How much more effective is the slow cooker extraction method over microwaving?
I've not tried microwaving because that method never made sense to me. Slow-cooking over very low heat for a day or two (or month-long cold steeping) does make sense to me, so that's what I do. YMMV, of course.
Fair enough, I'm also curious how a hot/boiling water ultrasonic bath would affect an extraction. Obviously it comes in handy for expedited steeping, but I wonder if it would be enough to also help extraction along in much the same way.
What I may do is two small sample tests of the microwave method, a small to moderately sized test of the slow cooker method, and a moderately long steep that is aided by UC hot or boiling water baths. At the very worst it will do nothing to help and I'll end up waiting a month or so, so I guess it's worth a shot.
Thanks for the input, Bill.
I just started my first NET extraction tonight after reading this thread. I put about 1/2 inch of Red River Original tobacco that a friend gave me in a coffee cup, then added PG until it made a slurry. Microwaved for 8 sec, stirred, microwaved for 8 sec, and stirred for awhile. I am going to cover it with syran wrap and a rubber band, stir daily for 2 weeks, and then filter with a cotton ball stuffed syringe. Another friend is looking for a cigarette tasting e-liquid, hope this will do the trick. Wish me luck!
Just to do a quick report in:
I roughly measured out 10 ml worth of Amaretto pipe tobacco in a beaker and added 10 ml of VG from a syringe.
I mixed it vigorously to completely saturate and then placed it in the microwave for 5 seconds and stirred it while the beaker was semi-submerged in an ice bath. I repeated the process with 4 second heating intervals and concluded with a final 5 second exposure for a total of 30 seconds of heating.
I quickly strained the near-homogeneous mixture through a coffee filter, squeezing it through like icing to expedite the process and placed the collected NET liquid in my ultrasonic cleaner for 180 seconds at room temperature.
Trying it on it's own, it was obviously very strong and had a great flavor to it, very earthy with a nice wood taste accented by what I can only describe being very reminiscent of almond oil essence free of alcohol.
Being impatient as I am, I mixed the Amaretto extract into a small batch of user Johnny Skillish's "Caramel-Ohhh!" that I have been vaping after making some for a friend and it was very good. The NET blows away the Double RY4 in regards to the tobacco flavor, bringing me much closer to what I've been craving (Indigo really does spoil ya).
Seeing as even the 'quick' method was so successful, I will be attempting the slow-cooker extraction today with both the Amaretto and Butter Pecan pipe tobaccos I picked up.
I'll definitely be looking further into flavor extraction especially vanilla, mint, cacao, and coffee.
I roughly measured out 10 ml worth of Amaretto pipe tobacco in a beaker and added 10 ml of VG from a syringe.
I mixed it vigorously to completely saturate and then placed it in the microwave for 5 seconds and stirred it while the beaker was semi-submerged in an ice bath. I repeated the process with 4 second heating intervals and concluded with a final 5 second exposure for a total of 30 seconds of heating.
I quickly strained the near-homogeneous mixture through a coffee filter, squeezing it through like icing to expedite the process and placed the collected NET liquid in my ultrasonic cleaner for 180 seconds at room temperature.
Trying it on it's own, it was obviously very strong and had a great flavor to it, very earthy with a nice wood taste accented by what I can only describe being very reminiscent of almond oil essence free of alcohol.
Being impatient as I am, I mixed the Amaretto extract into a small batch of user Johnny Skillish's "Caramel-Ohhh!" that I have been vaping after making some for a friend and it was very good. The NET blows away the Double RY4 in regards to the tobacco flavor, bringing me much closer to what I've been craving (Indigo really does spoil ya).
Seeing as even the 'quick' method was so successful, I will be attempting the slow-cooker extraction today with both the Amaretto and Butter Pecan pipe tobaccos I picked up.
I'll definitely be looking further into flavor extraction especially vanilla, mint, cacao, and coffee.
Bumping this venerable and informative thread with a quick take on a tobacco well suited for the slow cooker method.
Drew Estate Meat Pie is a classic English style pipe blend of Latakia, Oriental/Turkish, and Virginia with virtually no added flavoring or casing.
It produces a very clean and well balanced extract with the Latakia standing to the fore well supported by the Turkish and smoothed with the bright Virginia leaf.
This is by no means an ADV unless you are a confirmed Latakia hound, but for the occasional taste of a real classic English pipe Meat Pie does not disappoint.
Drew Estate Meat Pie is a classic English style pipe blend of Latakia, Oriental/Turkish, and Virginia with virtually no added flavoring or casing.
It produces a very clean and well balanced extract with the Latakia standing to the fore well supported by the Turkish and smoothed with the bright Virginia leaf.
This is by no means an ADV unless you are a confirmed Latakia hound, but for the occasional taste of a real classic English pipe Meat Pie does not disappoint.
I just put three batches of tea in the slow cooker tonight, Earl Grey, Green Tea and Chamomile. I would have done this sooner but I had to get more PG. I did 20g of each tea and filled with pg to the top of the tea with a extra 10mil mixed in, 60mils in each earl grey and green tea and 70 in the chamomile. I will make progress reports here and let you guys know how it's going.
Update the red river tobacco extract I made has an off taste, I think the pg dissolved some of the leaf or something. It filtered ok, might be the brand of tobacco I used. I am trying a vg extract of captain black cherry cavendish in a small slow cooker right now, hopefully it turns out better. It has been on low for 1 hour so far and is starting to smell nice.
I just started a 50/50 blend of cherry Cavendish and Black Burley. In the cooker for 30 minutes now. VG is really sweet! This is my first DIY, so my fingers are tightly crossed!!
OMG, I can't believe I haven't even thought of doing this - Sherman MCD's were my cigarette of choice back in the day. I'll definitely try N-E-T.com's offering, but I want to give the extraction a go myself. I was reading this thread back to front just to see what's going on currently, so I haven't read some of the earlier posts yet, but I hope you posted your process / measurements, etc. with the MCD's...? I've done a couple of extractions with a straight-up Virginia pipe tobacco, but as a stand alone vape, it just isn't flavorful enough. Look forward to giving this a try.
Has anyone tried double extraction? I read the entire thread and didn't see anything.
What I mean is taking a well steeped extraction and using it as the base for another extraction of a different tobacco (or even the same).
It seems this would not only increase complexity but also potency. I know it would be even worse at gunking coils but in a world of RDAs one would think it worth a try.
What I mean is taking a well steeped extraction and using it as the base for another extraction of a different tobacco (or even the same).
It seems this would not only increase complexity but also potency. I know it would be even worse at gunking coils but in a world of RDAs one would think it worth a try.
Never heard of such a thing. I'd worry that some of the flavor from the first extract would be lost at that heat.
I know lab juices will lose some of their good flavor molecules around 190°. And one time I tried boiling some coffee (the drink, not an e-liquid) to make a concentrate and what was left over was foul.
I don't see any reason not to blend two extracts post-extraction, or why you couldn't heat the blend to a lower temp (say ~150°) to homogenize. And that way, you could tweak the ratios, too.
I know lab juices will lose some of their good flavor molecules around 190°. And one time I tried boiling some coffee (the drink, not an e-liquid) to make a concentrate and what was left over was foul.
I don't see any reason not to blend two extracts post-extraction, or why you couldn't heat the blend to a lower temp (say ~150°) to homogenize. And that way, you could tweak the ratios, too.
Blend tobaccos before extraction or extract separately and blend to make juice. Nothing will be gained and some flavor may be lost by double extracting.
I'm with johni on this one all the way. Using an NET extract as the base for another extract seems to me bound to result in a less-than-wonderful final extract, with the flavors from both tobaccos diminished, even with a cold maceration. (If someone tries it and reports astonishingly terrific results, I'll be willing to reconsider.)
More to the point, though, is why even do that? Using multiple finished extracts to make blended extract strikes me as the obvious way to go. That way, small amounts can be mixed "experimentally," allowing the "formula" to be tweaked easily, without potentially wasting an entire batch of extract. Say, four or five drops of three different extracts could be mixed to make a 2ml sample of a blend. Then the recipe could be tweaked to produce the desired flavor in the blend---you know, two drops of Extract A, three of Extract B, and five of Extract C. Then it's just a question of percentages and how large a volume of the blended extract you want. Easy-Peasy-Japanesey.
An alternate route, as johni noted, would be to pre-blend the tobaccos before extraction.
As an admitted lurker of this thread and other NET extraction threads for a few months now, I've decided to give my own extractions a go. Having been an avid pipe smoker for a number of years I amassed a metric ....-ton (that is a technical term, honest!) of tobaccos. Some have been aging in my cellar for 5-6 years. Using the multiple day, on-off-on-off slow cooker method I've been able to get a damn fine extract from one of my favorite Virginia based tobaccos, Solani - 763: White and Black - Tobacco Reviews. This aged tin already had some fantastic natural sugar crystallization going on in the virginias, that really came through in the final extract. I've always been drawn to this tobacco for it's slightly sweet yet tangy flavor capped by just a bit of smokiness from the Latakia.
With the success of this first brew, it got me thinking about the effect of age on a tobacco in the extraction process. Obviously this applies more to Cigars and pipe tobacco, as cigarette blends typically don't benefit much from aging at all. At the moment I have 2 batches going of fairly fresh Orlik Golden Sliced (An amazing Virginia-Perique flake pipe tobacco) and one that's been aged 3 years. I'm hoping that the process retains some of the additional sugars in the aged sample giving it a greater sweetness than the fresh.
I just wanted to say thanks to everyone that has posted about their experiences with this process. When I packed up my pipes (for health reasons) a few years ago I thought that was the end of my tobacco journey. Thanks to all the awesome people and valuable info I've gleaned here, it's now far from over.
With the success of this first brew, it got me thinking about the effect of age on a tobacco in the extraction process. Obviously this applies more to Cigars and pipe tobacco, as cigarette blends typically don't benefit much from aging at all. At the moment I have 2 batches going of fairly fresh Orlik Golden Sliced (An amazing Virginia-Perique flake pipe tobacco) and one that's been aged 3 years. I'm hoping that the process retains some of the additional sugars in the aged sample giving it a greater sweetness than the fresh.
I just wanted to say thanks to everyone that has posted about their experiences with this process. When I packed up my pipes (for health reasons) a few years ago I thought that was the end of my tobacco journey. Thanks to all the awesome people and valuable info I've gleaned here, it's now far from over.
Not sure if it's too late to ask this question, but going to try this method with a Cusano Cuban tomorrow and wondering what it means in Step 8 to "Repeat step 7 two or three more times." I mean, I put the sludge in the filter/funnel and it filters through....what's to repeat?
Theory one: we're talking about a few batches to get all the sludge through.
Theory two: after the liquid has filtered out, I filter again a couple times?
Also wondering what ya'll do with the tobacco afterwards. Pitch it, I guess...or use it in a casserole! Pizza?
Theory one: we're talking about a few batches to get all the sludge through.
Theory two: after the liquid has filtered out, I filter again a couple times?
Also wondering what ya'll do with the tobacco afterwards. Pitch it, I guess...or use it in a casserole! Pizza?
I filter my macertion twice thru unbleached coffee flters and then use the cotton in a syringe method for the remaining tobacco sludge and then the filtered liquid. I found my first two pases at this process produced concentrate that was too weak. Squeezing or syringe filtering the sludge at the end ensures you get all of the awesomeness that has saturated the tobacco.
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