Good damn point...but at that price i plan on buying a few more. Pass your regs FDA...this kilt wearing vaper will have enough nic liquid to vape for years to come.
Slow Cooker Extraction of Tobacco and Tea
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my line of thought was if something is coming down the pipe and restrictions are going to happen... I sure wouldnt want to be stuck with a huge stock of something I couldnt sell... so unload it now before I couldnt....
Or that lol...i dont sell my juice except to a few private individuals i know personally...then its only enough to cover my material cost.
I dont sell mine either ... I was speaking as if the sellers had this line of thought.... 
Last nights extraction extravaganza. They have had their heat treatment..now the two week steep time
Last nights extraction extravaganza. They have had their heat treatment..now the two week steep time
Out of curiosity how long did you macerate them?
These are new ones...last run i did they steeped for two weeks. I plan on doing the same with these. Formula worked on the last run..no need to fix what isnt broken
I filtered 3 new extracts last night. I used 30 ml jars, half-filled with tobacco, C & D Billy Budd, Lane 1-Q and MacBaren HH Old Dark Fired Ready Rubbed. I put 18ml PG into each, heated in the microwave until nearly too hot to handle, added 2ml PGA to each, screwed the lids on and let sit overnight. Next day I put them in a water bath at 70 degrees C for 5 hours, and then filtered using 2 washed cotton balls in a 25ml syringe. I also did a Rocky Patel 1990 Vintage cigar (same method) that spent 11 hours in the hot water bath, I'll report on that later.
The results are good, they are an acceptable and nice vape even without steeping. Billy Budd seems to have a faint vanilla/caramel hint and a strong earthy old attic musty taste that I really like. The 1-Q has a strong hint of vanilla with a nice, almost grassy, classic virginia ciggy tobacco taste, quite mild and a smooth easy vape. The Dark Fired is very nice, strong, with some sweetness and a hint of something that tastes like rum or plum (it is said to have no flavoring however), I'm not sure how to describe it in any more detail. I think steeping will develop it further, as it will the others. My wife, who cannot stand synthetic tobacco flavors, doesn't vape NETs, and usually only vapes spearmint or menthol, enjoyed the Billy Budd and got me to put a couple of ml in her PV. She described it as a really nice cigarette replacement...
I'm finding very good results using 10% PGA 90% PG solvent, (and previously 15% PGA), the maceration time is greatly reduced, the steeping time to actually vaping the flavors is greatly reduced, and the flavor quality and strength compares favorably to a straight PG solvent. YMMV. The only unknown I can think of (as brought up previously by Str8vision) is how well the extracts will store in the long term, time will tell.
The results are good, they are an acceptable and nice vape even without steeping. Billy Budd seems to have a faint vanilla/caramel hint and a strong earthy old attic musty taste that I really like. The 1-Q has a strong hint of vanilla with a nice, almost grassy, classic virginia ciggy tobacco taste, quite mild and a smooth easy vape. The Dark Fired is very nice, strong, with some sweetness and a hint of something that tastes like rum or plum (it is said to have no flavoring however), I'm not sure how to describe it in any more detail. I think steeping will develop it further, as it will the others. My wife, who cannot stand synthetic tobacco flavors, doesn't vape NETs, and usually only vapes spearmint or menthol, enjoyed the Billy Budd and got me to put a couple of ml in her PV. She described it as a really nice cigarette replacement...
I'm finding very good results using 10% PGA 90% PG solvent, (and previously 15% PGA), the maceration time is greatly reduced, the steeping time to actually vaping the flavors is greatly reduced, and the flavor quality and strength compares favorably to a straight PG solvent. YMMV. The only unknown I can think of (as brought up previously by Str8vision) is how well the extracts will store in the long term, time will tell.
Ian did you taste the cigar leaf in C&D's Billy Bud? Mine was VERY pronounced right after extraction, then faded a few days later but has since returned after a month of steeping.
No, I'm not getting any pronounced cigar flavor that I can tell, just that "strong earthy old attic musty taste" I described above, which I really like, maybe that's the cigar leaf content in early steeping stages, not sure, I'm a newb at cigar taste. It doesn't taste like a straight cigar maceration I did some time ago.
C&D has one other pipe blend that contains cigar leaf, "Habana Daydream". Pipes and Cigars is running a sale on C&D tobaccos so I have several of their blends (that I haven't already tried), coming and Habana Daydream is among them.
I am impressed with the Billy Budd, would be nice to try some more C & D blends, Exhausted Rooster is on my "interesting" list, as well as some Milan Tobacco blends including Centenary, and C & D Habana Daydream has now been added thanks.
I agree with you Str8vision (in a previous post), it seems vaping the NETs tastes better than smoking, I tried a few very small samples of tobacco over the last few weeks. Smoking simply does not cut it with me anymore, my smoking days are gone
The Rocky Patel was filtered and tasted, its a bit light on flavor and strength, mixed at 20% in the juice. Its the same amber color as my other cigar maceration that was a 3 month cold maceration in PG. The flavor that is there is good, so I'll let it steep and see what happens. I also put some Rocky Patel in straight PG which will sit in the cupboard for at least 3 months. A funny thing happened, I intended to do the Rocky Patel for at least 15 hours in the hot water bath, it got 11 hours yesterday, and after resting overnight at room temp I did another 4 hours today, but when I lifted the lid off the saucepan on the hotplate to get the jar out, there was no jar - I had placed it in the cupboard overnight!
Oh the joys... So I filtered it anyway since I had all the gear ready, can always do another one next weekend if I feel the need.
I agree with you Str8vision (in a previous post), it seems vaping the NETs tastes better than smoking, I tried a few very small samples of tobacco over the last few weeks. Smoking simply does not cut it with me anymore, my smoking days are gone
The Rocky Patel was filtered and tasted, its a bit light on flavor and strength, mixed at 20% in the juice. Its the same amber color as my other cigar maceration that was a 3 month cold maceration in PG. The flavor that is there is good, so I'll let it steep and see what happens. I also put some Rocky Patel in straight PG which will sit in the cupboard for at least 3 months. A funny thing happened, I intended to do the Rocky Patel for at least 15 hours in the hot water bath, it got 11 hours yesterday, and after resting overnight at room temp I did another 4 hours today, but when I lifted the lid off the saucepan on the hotplate to get the jar out, there was no jar - I had placed it in the cupboard overnight!
Oh the joys... So I filtered it anyway since I had all the gear ready, can always do another one next weekend if I feel the need.
Ian44, from everything I've read 11 hours just isn't long enough for cigars. A lot of guys in the natural tobacco thread talk about doing 48 - 72 hours with cigars. I know that doing 6 hours on my Room 101 San Andres didn't even seem to jump start the cold maceration process. At 12 days out the liquid has a neon yellow tint, but it is very transparent still. An 11 hour warm bath is probably a good start for shortening the cold maceration time frame though. Then again, I've never considered letting one sit for three months. I would be afraid of mold or something.
toss in some PGA to inhibit the growth of living stuff... put enuf so it stops it and not just make them drunk
QuickNicJuice sells a retail NET called Habana Daydream. Since the description on the QnJ web site of the tobaccos used in the extraction is identical to the description of the C&D blend on the Pipes&Cigars site, I'm inclined to think that QnJ's liquid is probably extracted from the Cornell & Diehl retail blend.
I have a bottle of that retail NET, and it's good. Not quite as amazing as I'd hoped back when I bought it in early 2013---a mere month before I began home-extracting---but good. It has that pipe/cigar hybrid thing going on. Yes, it's a pipe blend, but the cigar leaf gives it a different slant. I'd be curious to see how QnJ's retail juice compares to a home-extracted version.
I have actually set my home extraction bar by QNJ and Mountain Oak Vapor products..both are great commercial NETs. Im not much of a cigar guy so i havnt bought the Habana Daydream..but I have had the Wide Guy, Humpback, Grandpa's Nightcap, and Fire in the Whole. The Apache, Southern Gentleman, Sunday Morning, and Hey Jack are all very good NETs from Mountain Oak Vapors.
Oh yes, there's a reason why both QuickNic and MountainOakVapors are in the A-tier of retail NET vendors on the Natural Tobaccos thread. Rich at QnJ and Steve at MOV crank out some pretty mean macerations. Seriously high-quality stuff.
I just got a new 30ml bottle of QnJ ouR whY qu4tro in the mail yesterday. Rich was very kind and generous to include a 30ml bottle of Wise Guy as a freebie, which he noted on the receipt to be a synthetic tobacco juice (as opposed to an NET), but a darn good one, in his opinion. Hmmm. Tobacco with cognac. OK. I just atty-dripped a little to sample, and Wise Guy parallels my previous experience with QnJ's synthetic tobaccos as being especially bold and distinctive. Not your grandfather's Buick, if you know what I mean. The cognac gives Wise Guy quite the kick.
I'm very happy to have a fresh bottle of ouR whY qu4tro, which is (in my opinion) the best retail NET-based RY4 on the market. My previous, second bottle was down to the dregs and had flattened out some, losing vibrancy after two years, and I'm pleased that my memory is accurate about how terrific ouR whY is when fresh. I recently made an NET-based RY4 of my own using Hearth&Home Burley Kake extract, plus Nature's Flavors organic caramel, caramel cream, and Bavarian cream flavorings, and I'm thrilled to report that my homemade version is right up there with ouR whY qu4tro, MOV Full Flake Virginia RY4, and MVJ Rogue RY4. I've had a couple other retail NET-based RY4s, but those three are the gold standards.
I still have great respect for Classic RY4s made with synthetic tobacco flavoring, but my personal preference leans strongly toward NET-based Custom RY4s now. I do love authentic tobacco flavors, which is why we're all doing home extractions of natural tobacco, right?
Could be I'm just too picky/discerning but many of the pipe blend extracts I have sampled ended up being just "good" on flavor/complexity. Of the three Cornell & Diehl blends I have sampled thus far (Billy Bud, Bayou Night and Big & Burley), only Billy Bud was interesting to my palate. Three blends from C&D are included In my current order, Habana Daydream, Mississippi Mud and Tuggle Hall. All three are Cavendish, Latakia, Perique blends but Habana Daydream also has cigar leaf added. I share your curiosity in comparing the retail version of Habana Daydream with a home-extracted one and will be sure and process a large enough initial test batch to share.
I'm really liking my Billy Budd extraction. It is Latakia rich making it smokey with a little spice followed by the deep, smooth, creaminess of Maduro cigar leaf. The blend is rated as full flavored and it translates well to vaping.
ETA: I have C & D Bayou Night, also full flavored, soaking in my next round.
ETA: I have C & D Bayou Night, also full flavored, soaking in my next round.
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Latakia and Maduro are two of my favorites. I think I'll put Billy Budd on my P&C list. Bayou Nights was on my list but I went for Caribbean Nights instead. I have some of Dustmite's Royal Cajun which is pretty good but not as good as Voo Doo Queen or Mississippi River.
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