Smok XPro M80 Plus - new version, v6 firmware: temperature control testing results

[TheBloke]

Nope it finally made it to my state though. Hopefully tomorrow if not then Monday. I know I won't be ordering from this vendor again though, and hope to god I have no problems with it that will require sending it back. They dont reply to my emails.

Damn that sucks, sorry. I hate shipping, it's been a regular source of annoyance and disappointment ever since online shopping was invented!

 

[drewburton48]

Hey, I didn't get a rubber button!

I'd completely forgotten about that until now, but since you mentioned it I now remember seeing reviews talking about a changeable button.

Well, I don't have one. Just checked the box again: I got a manual, USB cable, and an eGo adapter in a baggy. Nothing else.

Maybe they stopped providing that with the latest versions? Or maybe it's just me that's missing one. Tell us when you get yours if you get one!

I think it's very unlikely that I would have changed it even if I did have it. My button doesn't rattle any more, and even if it did, I wouldn't consider that to be enough of a problem to worth risking taking it apart - not that I can't take things apart, but I don't have a super high opinion of this smok's quality so who knows what could happen when I dismantled it.

In fact if they have stopped providing the button, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the reason - people opening it and finding a mess, or it not fitting back together properly or whatever. Or maybe they just found careless people were damaging them when trying to install the button and it was causing too many returns.

With smok, who knows! But yeah, not even an option to try and change it for me at least.

Long time lurker, just made my compulsory 5 posts in the newbie section this morning
I took delivery of a Vaporshark rdna 40 on Tuesday this week and the next day I ordered this device from Myepack as it intrigued me. It came yesterday and I am expecting some subtank nickel coils this morning (I hope) and I already have some Ni200 wire (0.3mm) but I haven't built with it yet.
My take on this which, I guess is similar to yours.......For £45 I think it's an excellent value 80w vw device. The build quality is pretty decent and the chip (apart from TC) seems solid however, as you previously suggested the TC, IMO, is simply a set of values hard coded into the chip to limit the wattage to a value dependant on what temperature is set. I think Smok are trying to mislead us by making it appear that the chip is going through a calculation process before it settles at the pre-coded wattage. It appears that the device has no way distinguishing between nickel and kanthal or predicting what the temperature is, in reality, running at. I arrived at this conclusion after a quick play with a kanthal coil
I didn't receive a rubber fire button either and I have one further niggle, my tank does not seem to sit perfectly perpendicular to my device which, due to my OSD, bugs the hell out of me. I cannot decide if my 510 connector is not straight or if it is due to the slightly raised perimeter of the top of the device. Do you have the same issue?

 

[TheBloke]

Welcome, Drew! I'm pretty new myself - in my case I made the "newbie posts" to talk about the Vapor Flask DNA 40 clone I have on order from China

I ordered mine from My ePack as well! Can't remember if I mentioned that already.

I can't say I've noticed any of my tanks being wonky. I do find the 510 incredibly stiff, annoyingly so compared to my iStick 50W. On the iStick, every device I've tried screws down buttery-smooth, taking just a moment. On the M80, I find myself having to really tighten it down hard, because the threading is really tight/hard. And/or it could be the floating 510 pin, which I noticed is very stiff.

Several times I thought I had a tank screwed down fully but in fact it was not. And several times I've been worried about tightening it further, because it's so tight I'm worried I'm grinding down the threads or the pin.

But when I do get it tightened - which I think is perhaps getting a bit easier as days pass - it is pretty flat I'd say.

I just took two quick photos to show you what I see. One is with my current (and current favourite) tank, the Aqua v2 RTA (clone); for the other I put on my Subtank Mini.

Is this the right angle to compare against yours?



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[rowsley]

Looks to sit on there flush. I'm hopeful mine arrives today. It departed at 9pm last night, and its only an hour drive from me. My jwrap for it will be here this week too. Gonna camo it out.

 

[drewburton48]

Welcome, Drew! I'm pretty new myself - in my case I made the "newbie posts" to talk about the Vapor Flask DNA 40 clone I have on order from China

I ordered mine from My ePack as well! Can't remember if I mentioned that already.

I can't say I've noticed any of my tanks being wonky. I do find the 510 incredibly stiff, annoyingly so compared to my iStick 50W. On the iStick, every device I've tried screws down buttery-smooth, taking just a moment. On the M80, I find myself having to really tighten it down hard, because the threading is really tight/hard. And/or it could be the floating 510 pin, which I noticed is very stiff.

Several times I thought I had a tank screwed down fully but in fact it was not. And several times I've been worried about tightening it further, because it's so tight I'm worried I'm grinding down the threads or the pin.

But when I do get it tightened - which I think is perhaps getting a bit easier as days pass - it is pretty flat I'd say.

I just took two quick photos to show you what I see. One is with my current (and current favourite) tank, the Aqua v2 RTA (clone); for the other I put on my Subtank Mini.

Is this the right angle to compare against yours?



(click for larger image)

Thanks for those. Your's look perfectly straight. Looks like mine isn't then. It's not too bad but annoys the hell out of me but I don't no if I dare try and force it, who knows what might happen.

 

[rowsley]

You have one from the newer batch? V0006?

 

[rowsley]

Its finally at the post office. I just pre ordered a ipv4 for 65.99. I think the wife is cutting me off now lol

 

[drewburton48]

You have one from the newer batch? V0006?

Yes it's v6

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[rowsley]

Just wondered I thought I read they changed the 510 connections on this new batch. People has problems with the 510 on the originals not sitting flush.

 

[drewburton48]

Its finally at the post office. I just pre ordered a ipv4 for 65.99. I think the wife is cutting me off now lol

I'm very tempted myself but I'm obsessed with the sx mini m class. If I get that as well I think it'll be more than my finances the wife will be cutting off

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[drewburton48]

It sits flush, just at a slight angle

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[rowsley]

Lmao. It just took some persuading. Its always baby its the last thing I promise. She knows better though

 

[RaptorD.Meezus]

Maaaaan. Why do I always buy things that I think are going to be good, only to find out that they're garbage and everyone hates them? I mean, for $60 after shipping, the price is okay, but now all I'm hearing about is problems, and it just makes me sad. Do you think it's possible they will offer another update in the future? Or should I just return this thing as soon as I get it?

 

[rowsley]

Just literally got mine and it won't fire

 

[rowsley]

Its reads the atomizer but it's stuck on 80w how it came when I turned it on. I can't adjust wattage and it won't fire. Volts read 0.00

Any idea thebloke?

 

[TheBloke]

Maaaaan. Why do I always buy things that I think are going to be good, only to find out that they're garbage and everyone hates them? I mean, for $60 after shipping, the price is okay, but now all I'm hearing about is problems, and it just makes me sad. Do you think it's possible they will offer another update in the future? Or should I just return this thing as soon as I get it?

It's not quite that bad. It's not garbage unless you bought it as a temperature control device. If you did, then you should return it.

If you bought it as a cheap 80W device with high capacity fixed batteries, then it's still that.

My iStick 50W is superior to the M80 in pretty much every respect except it's 50W not 80W.

I bought the M80 because:

1. I definitely wanted a second mod - eg. so I could still vape while charging one from empty, and vape will setting up a new coil etc;
2. It was only £5 / $8 more expensive for me to buy the M80 versus another iStick 50W, which meant my second device would be capable of up to 80W in case I ever needed that;
3. In the hope that it would generally be as day-to-day usable as the iStick 50W
4. So that I would have a device with a two-decimal-place ohm display
5. In the very slight hope that the temp control might prove to have some useful purpose.

Now that I have it, I see that:

• Reason 5 was a bust; but it was only ever a very slight hope
• Reason 4 didn't really work out - it does have two-digit display, but it doesn't have a live ohm display.
  • So I can't use it, as I hoped, as my primary device for setting up new coils, because I always have to test fire them on the iStick 50W first anyway. But once I've done that, I do get to see two digits which may be marginally interesting.
• Reason 3 is half-and-half.
  • It's not as good as the iStick 50W in most respects. It's slightly bigger. The up/down scroll on wattage is annoying (too slow, then too fast.) The 510 is fiddly. It doesn't have a "lock settings" mode, where you can't change watts but can still fire. Its lock mode just locks the whole device, which I consider ridiculously and annoyingly pointless (if you don't want it to do anything​, just turn it off!)
  • But I can use it all day, and I have several times. It's perfectly usable. Just not quite as usable as the iStick 50W and no doubt some other mods - but probably better than some others.
• Reason 1 and 2 worked out.

So do I regret purchasing it? No, not really. Maybe if I'd known exactly how it was going to be, I'd have looked around harder to find a different device for similar money that was higher watts, or more usable. But probably that would have meant not having internal batteries, and as I have no 18650 batteries yet that would almost certainly have meant it would be quite a bit more money in total, including batteries.

I suppose my biggest regret might be that I had no idea the IPV4 was so imminent. Although that's quite a bit more expensive (£60 / $100 instead of £45 / $68, and then I still need to buy batteries), it should be superior in every way and I could have gone a couple of further weeks without a second mod.

Overall my view is, it's not like we're talking about spending thousands on a car here. The M80 is certainly not a complete bust, and in the current vaping market whatever you buy is almost always going to be superseded by something fairly soon. The M80 has more problems than most mods, but it does still have a couple of things to recommend it, and I'd certainly not be rushing to return it if I still had one on order.

Who knows, maybe the IPV4 will be delayed a further month and then be total crap on release?

 

[TheBloke]

Its reads the atomizer but it's stuck on 80w how it came when I turned it on. I can't adjust wattage and it won't fire. Volts read 0.00

Any idea thebloke?

Oh jeez man!

OK first immediate thought - reset it. Find a pin or piece of Kanthal wire, press down in the reset hole, hold for a couple of seconds then release. Screen goes blank. Then five clicks of fire to turn it back on.

 

[TheBloke]

Second thought: after doing the reset, if still no joy, try the menu. Press fire three times quickly, menu comes up. Wait until it says "Watts mode", then press fire again to cycle through the modes. Try putting it in mech mode or temp mode. Then try firing again. Then try another mode.

The menu is fiddly, here's how it works:

• Fire three times to enable it
• To scroll through the menu types, you press Fire again. Menu types are: Firing mode; Puff Counter ; Clock; Temp Control temperature; Power On/Off
• When it's on the menu type you want, you stop pressing anything, and after 2 seconds the display changes to the appropraite option, now you use fire again to cycle the options.

E.g. to turn it off:

• Press fire three times to bring up menu
• When it shows Menu 1, press fire once, twice, three, four times - to cycle through the menu types - now it shows 5. POWER
• Wait two seconds
• When it says "POWER ON", press fire again to toggle to POWER OFF. Wait, it turns off.

that's another thing you could try, after the reset - a menu power off.

 

[TheBloke]

Doing the reset will also confirm that you're on version 0006

 

[rowsley]

Sheww. I charged it fully to 100% its firing thank god but I have to go play easter bunny so I can't play with it until later