Smokers told me not to Vape
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This isn't exactly on topic but I need to express this and this does seem like a good place for it:
my best friend will be 64 in November, chokes (hard) and gets red-faced, used to be just when he was actually smoking but now its just any time, just sitting around randomly or eating a donut -- we both know its the cigarettes and we both know he needs to 'do something' -- he agrees to all of this
but I offer him my E-cig, he shakes his head "no, not that" (though he was with me when I got my first one in the mail and did take one puff on it, no idea why never again as he seemed to think it was okay), he just shakes his head to it
I offer him from my little cans of neat looking little snus 'cans' and tell him over and over its not chew its not dip, its nice, please try it but 'no not that'
I offer him my nasal snuff, he picks up the little 'bullet' to politely study it a half second and 'no, I don't want that'
and I ask him 'what DO you want, you know you have to do something"
sometimes he says "I know" or "I dunno" but most often he just looks kinda sadly/blankly back at me and says nothing at all.
and we just sit, and I watch my old friend slowly dying, knowing that cough is just no good, we could take that cough away and stave off the inevitable, but I'm just not convincing enough, and it hurts and really scares me. I need him.
my best friend will be 64 in November, chokes (hard) and gets red-faced, used to be just when he was actually smoking but now its just any time, just sitting around randomly or eating a donut -- we both know its the cigarettes and we both know he needs to 'do something' -- he agrees to all of this
but I offer him my E-cig, he shakes his head "no, not that" (though he was with me when I got my first one in the mail and did take one puff on it, no idea why never again as he seemed to think it was okay), he just shakes his head to it
I offer him from my little cans of neat looking little snus 'cans' and tell him over and over its not chew its not dip, its nice, please try it but 'no not that'
I offer him my nasal snuff, he picks up the little 'bullet' to politely study it a half second and 'no, I don't want that'
and I ask him 'what DO you want, you know you have to do something"
sometimes he says "I know" or "I dunno" but most often he just looks kinda sadly/blankly back at me and says nothing at all.
and we just sit, and I watch my old friend slowly dying, knowing that cough is just no good, we could take that cough away and stave off the inevitable, but I'm just not convincing enough, and it hurts and really scares me. I need him.
I can certainly understand your position. I rarely speak with my mother or her husband but the last time I did, I told her about the e-cigarettes and where to find them. I even sent an email on where to buy them and the e-liquid but so far as I know, she isn't using them. The cigarettes, and she smokes Marlboro 100s and is a chainsmoker, is going to kill her.
I had that horrid wheeze and smoker's cough after smoking for some 28 years or so. I began smoking at about 12 to 13 yrs old. It wasn't unusual for someone living in tobacco country. I barned enough of it so it was no wonder I began smoking. Everyone I knew smoked. Most still do. I've tried to convert as many as possible and thankfully, I've been successful with a fair number but I wish the others would just give it a real try, not just a few drags and say no this isn't for me.
I was vaping in pacifier mode within the first month or so after I began but now, I find I am weaning off the pacifier mode and I am switching to more of the fruity flavors than tobacco ones. Don't get me wrong, I love the Virginia flue cured and the RY4. (Haven't had the income to try the RY1, 2, or 3) but mostly I stick to the Peach, Cotton Candy, Cherry, Cola, and Vanilla although I haven't found a vanilla that tastes like vanilla yet. It just doesn't have the true vanilla flavor for me.
I do understand where you're coming from. I wish the e-cigs had been around 10 years ago. Perhaps my mom (my mother's oldest sister) would still be alive today. She died from a heart condition complicated by an autoimmune disease and years of working in a cotton mill as well as smoking, chain smoking. Now here I sit with similar problems except I don't have a heart condition, at least not yet as lupus (SLE) hasn't attacked my vital internal organs as of yet although it could have been the cause of my gallbladder going bad last year but we really don't know and have no way to tell but I am a smoker and I always knew I would have a predisposition to having one of the many autoimmune diseases. It's mostly genetic. I'm hoping against all hope that my girls will never have an autoimmune disease or two as I do (lupus and Sjogren's disease w/ probable Fibromyalgia) as their father is European so that cuts the genetics a bit. I am one generation away from full-Native American Indian ancestors on both maternal and paternal sides of my family. Mother's family is Cherokee and Arapaho while my father's family is Cherokee. My parents, their siblings, their parents and parents' siblings all had autoimmune diseases and now it has trickled down into my generation. I am but one of about 6 to 7 of my generation with symptoms and/or diagnosed already. One or two are still in the diagnostic phase though it isn't looking good. None of them have the retinal disease, which is a good thing but lupus and Sjogren's can both cause blindness as can a few others.
I feel your pain and your annoyance.
I had that horrid wheeze and smoker's cough after smoking for some 28 years or so. I began smoking at about 12 to 13 yrs old. It wasn't unusual for someone living in tobacco country. I barned enough of it so it was no wonder I began smoking. Everyone I knew smoked. Most still do. I've tried to convert as many as possible and thankfully, I've been successful with a fair number but I wish the others would just give it a real try, not just a few drags and say no this isn't for me.
I was vaping in pacifier mode within the first month or so after I began but now, I find I am weaning off the pacifier mode and I am switching to more of the fruity flavors than tobacco ones. Don't get me wrong, I love the Virginia flue cured and the RY4. (Haven't had the income to try the RY1, 2, or 3) but mostly I stick to the Peach, Cotton Candy, Cherry, Cola, and Vanilla although I haven't found a vanilla that tastes like vanilla yet. It just doesn't have the true vanilla flavor for me.
I do understand where you're coming from. I wish the e-cigs had been around 10 years ago. Perhaps my mom (my mother's oldest sister) would still be alive today. She died from a heart condition complicated by an autoimmune disease and years of working in a cotton mill as well as smoking, chain smoking. Now here I sit with similar problems except I don't have a heart condition, at least not yet as lupus (SLE) hasn't attacked my vital internal organs as of yet although it could have been the cause of my gallbladder going bad last year but we really don't know and have no way to tell but I am a smoker and I always knew I would have a predisposition to having one of the many autoimmune diseases. It's mostly genetic. I'm hoping against all hope that my girls will never have an autoimmune disease or two as I do (lupus and Sjogren's disease w/ probable Fibromyalgia) as their father is European so that cuts the genetics a bit. I am one generation away from full-Native American Indian ancestors on both maternal and paternal sides of my family. Mother's family is Cherokee and Arapaho while my father's family is Cherokee. My parents, their siblings, their parents and parents' siblings all had autoimmune diseases and now it has trickled down into my generation. I am but one of about 6 to 7 of my generation with symptoms and/or diagnosed already. One or two are still in the diagnostic phase though it isn't looking good. None of them have the retinal disease, which is a good thing but lupus and Sjogren's can both cause blindness as can a few others.
I feel your pain and your annoyance.
I wish the forums offered those little 5 stars to rate posts b/c yours would get 5 stars from me.
I wish that there was something in the e-liquid like the analogs that could suppress the diet like they did. That's the only downside I find with e-cigs. I have considered taking diet pills again. I've gained some 20 lbs, up from 135lbs. The extra pounds puts too much pressure on my already bad joints and the docs won't replace the joints because of my age and they want to wait until it's a last case scenario. I can't take gaining all this weight back and staying hungry all the time. Mostly I want sweets. I don't know what to do about those. It hasn't affected my coffee desire but it sure has affected my eating habit. That's the one reason I hung onto analogs for so long. It suppressed my diet. But, I won't go back to analogs just for diet suppression. I'd rather take diet pills.
wow everyone. I'm starting to feel really lucky lol. my experience so far has been 100% positive.
Everyone who has seen me smoking my e-cig has asked me questions and have been really positive about it. I've managed to convert a few almost immediately others are still thinking about it but always corner me at work to pick my brain on the issue.
I also get alot of questions from non-smokers concerned for a family member who smokes too much.
I'm really not sure how I would deal with someone who tries to put me on the defensive about it. I hope I can be as clever in my convictions as most of you have. But I'm not sure I will be able to overcome the shock of the situation. I actually researched my e-cig before buying and found the information extremely compelling in a positive way. I even read the FDA warnings and noticed the inconsistencies in their data collection.
This whole topic seems like a no brainer.. I guess that will be my response to those potential naysayers...DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK..
Everyone who has seen me smoking my e-cig has asked me questions and have been really positive about it. I've managed to convert a few almost immediately others are still thinking about it but always corner me at work to pick my brain on the issue.
I also get alot of questions from non-smokers concerned for a family member who smokes too much.
I'm really not sure how I would deal with someone who tries to put me on the defensive about it. I hope I can be as clever in my convictions as most of you have. But I'm not sure I will be able to overcome the shock of the situation. I actually researched my e-cig before buying and found the information extremely compelling in a positive way. I even read the FDA warnings and noticed the inconsistencies in their data collection.
This whole topic seems like a no brainer.. I guess that will be my response to those potential naysayers...DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK..
Okay, I've been reading an posting on the forum for like 5-6 months now and I haven't once heard an analog refereed to as an .... log. That's pretty funny right there.
Try not to be so hard on your smoking friends. Remember we used to be a pretty stubborn lot when we smoked. People tend to find a way to justify their addiction. I doubt there's a single ex-smoke on the board who can honestly say they didn't know cigarettes were bad for them while they were using.
Anyway, it doesn't hurt to remind them that only 1% of diethylene glycol was found in one of the 18 cartridges tested. Do you know why the FDA said it's a component of antifreeze? Because if they said, "it's commonly found in toothpaste" they weren't going to scare anyone. Ask them, "why do you think the FDA wants to scare you? Did it work? Are you scared?" (depending on your mood you can make a baaaahhh noise like a sheep if you want).
But it's always fun to just ask, "how much is a pack of cigarettes these days?" Then walk away.
--Prof Daffy
P.S. Baaahhhh...
Okay, I've been reading an posting on the forum for like 5-6 months now and I haven't once heard an analog refereed to as an .... log. That's pretty funny right there.
Try not to be so hard on your smoking friends. Remember we used to be a pretty stubborn lot when we smoked. People tend to find a way to justify their addiction. I doubt there's a single ex-smoke on the board who can honestly say they didn't know cigarettes were bad for them while they were using.
Anyway, it doesn't hurt to remind them that only 1% of diethylene glycol was found in one of the 18 cartridges tested. Do you know why the FDA said it's a component of antifreeze? Because if they said, "it's commonly found in toothpaste" they weren't going to scare anyone. Ask them, "why do you think the FDA wants to scare you? Did it work? Are you scared?" (depending on your mood you can make a baaaahhh noise like a sheep if you want).
But it's always fun to just ask, "how much is a pack of cigarettes these days?" Then walk away.
--Prof Daffy
P.S. Baaahhhh...
Professor Daffy:
But you have to take into consideration this is the first time there has been a viable, working alternative to analogs.
The Nicorette Patches, gum, and inhalers didn't work. Heck, I got more help from the patch if I had rolled it up and smoked it. It works whereas the Zyban didn't. Then let's look at all the bad side effects of the Chantix pill let alone the fact it is not covered under many insurance companies esp Medicare or Medicaid, plus it is way too expensive for an average person to afford.
The e-cigs give us what we want in the strengths we need without the 4000+ bad things we don't and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg to buy a start up kit or the refillable cartridges and the e-liquid. It is an all-around safe alternative to smoking while continuing to give us what we need and are addicted to and that is the nicotine! It's no different than someone addicted to caffeine. As reported by a world renowned doctor on the subject of e-cigs, the only difference between e-cigs and caffeine is the delivery method yet the FDA is trying to shut down an enterprise that can save the lives of millions of people a year but do they give caffeine drinkers a second look? No. Why should they do the same to us, the smokers who have found a safe alternative to smoking in the e-cig without all the cancer-causing, life-killing agents of analog cigarettes.
I would have switched over immediately upon first sale of an e-cig had I learned about them sooner. I only found out about them this past June and by July 7th, my first e-cig came in the mail. I bought 4 packs of cigarettes on July 1st because I didn't think the e-cig would come in before I would run out; well, I still have more than half of one pack of analog cigarettes sitting on my desk untouched since the 10th day after realizing I could increase the nicotine strength in my e-cig to stop the heavy cravings because I had bought the 24mg nicotine e-liquid. Once I bumped to 36 to 40mg for the heavy nic-fit cravings times, I haven't had an analog since.
There is certainly a major difference with the e-cig than has been available to the public in the past. I think it goes without saying that the developer of the e-cig was on the right track and it gives smokers the chance to give up the bad part of smoking while continuing to allow us the nicotine that keeps us on kilter much as caffeine does a caffeine addict who downs a dozen cups of espresso each day.
You know, every time I run into someone who has lost weight/quit smoking/discovered a new planet they are very condescending and quite proud of themselves. I knew a guy that quit and wouldn't let his wife quit because they both "can't be crazy" at the same time. And he would go and buy her a pack of cigarettes and tell her how much better than her he was while handing them to her. It was a form of mental abuse I had never seen.
Anyway, remember when you're talking to a smoker not to be a d*** and talk down to them.
My husband sniped at me nearly every day for the last 7 to 8 years after he stopped his snuff habit (Skoal in the cheek behind his lip). The ONLY reason he stopped using was b/c he woke up one morning with an abscess under the tongue that he thought was cancer; however, before he would calm down long enough to think it through and let the doctor analyze and diagnose he was sure it was cancer then began berating me.
FYI: The so-called cancer spot on his tongue turned out to be the result of his biting on that section of his tongue sometime in his sleep over a period of weeks until it became infected. It had NOTHING to do with the dip.
His quitting and being a huge jerk when he went through the process was bad enough but after he made it through a few weeks to a couple of months he began walking in the door each night asking questions like, "is something burning?" "what's on fire?" And the insults got worse. He even began sniping about having to paint the walls and tear out the ceilings b/c I had "smoked up" our new house and ruined it (excuse #1); our house is some 40 years old. It's older than I am and nearly if not older than him. Sure, it's new to us even after some 13-14 years here but still... The house was not in that great of shape when we bought it and I began painting every room after I gave birth and our daughter was up toddling.
The second excuse he gave was my ruining not only my own clothes but his and our daughter's clothing. I just ruined everything and then he threatened quite frequently of leaving. I nearly threw him out of the house and had our daughter in her room with the door closed and locked from the inside daring him to attempt to take her out. If he wanted to live under his mother's thumb with their self-righteous attitudes that was their perogatives but it was not going to be something I'd put our daughter through. I'd already spent a few years with my oldest daughter on the pawn board with her birth father and his mother using her as a way to not only hurt me but also to alienate her from me. I wasn't about to go through that again so I gave him the ultimatum. He could leave alone to live with his mother or he could shut up and live at home while acting like a decent father and husband. This shut him up for a while but if he came in with a bad mood, the insults began again only they didn't have the bite of before since we'd reached the separation stage once again in our marriage. It had only escalated to the point of considering divorce about three times over 20 years.
The first was when I learned I was going blind. He couldn't deal with it and expected me to deal with this news (I was already diagnosed blind and was only waiting for the paperwork for the revocation of my driver's license) for the both of us when I was having a difficult enough time dealing with it for myself. I was a workaholic and while I was working away from home I was an important person and a major player within a team. I had to give all that up to become the one thing I never wanted to be and that was a stay-at-home-mom. Please don't get me wrong when I say that I love my children and would die for either one of them... but I never was nor am I now SAHM material. I have a very low threshold of tolerance for children. It's probably why our children are & our oldest was and still is well behaved. The second time was when I was going through one of the first of a series of lupus flares only I didn't know I had lupus. I was bedridden and hurt all over yet I didn't have the flu or anything of that nature. It didn't help that these specialists kept bouncing me from one doc to another claiming it was all in my head until the right doctor ran the right test then sent me to the right specialists to get a bit of control over the disease. The last time was when I was transitioning between peri-menopause and full-blown menopause. He was needy for my attention (uh hum...) and I just wasn't interested, plus I felt bad at the time too b/c lupus and Sjogren's with all their side effects takes a lot out of a person living with any of the autoimmune diseases. That was probably the closest we came to divorce second only to the eye disease revalation. I threatened to change the locks on the doors that time. He didn't leave home except for work and little else b/c he knew I was handy with a set of tools and could easily change out locks and put in deadbolts.
As the old saying goes, I wasn't born yesterday or the day before. Heck, I survived an abusive alcoholic father, raising my brother with an infant child as a single mother without child support and I ran the household for the 11 years he spent working mostly out of town then when he was home he was either at his best friend's or he was at the race track racing so I never saw him.
The e-cig and my using it has shut him up completely. He gets a bit miffed when I demand that the power inverter goes with us when we go out but other than that, he's been better. He still snipes about the house but I can only do so much in one day and for many yrs I earned enough for a housekeeper to come in twice a week. Working 2 and 3 jobs at a time esp when one is bartending gives one the extra income for the luxuries in life.
I made it plain when we got serious and even before that I wasn't now nor would I ever be a Mary Poppins, Betty Crocker, Susie Q Homemaker, or Martha Stewart. He had to choose whether he could live with those things as it resulted to me before our relationship developed any further. He said he did but after I couldn't work away from home anymore he tried to change me into something I'm not, have never been, and will not be any time soon.
It's tough to admit but I can relate to the woman you mention. My husband would often "forget" to pick me up cigarettes if I ran out and had no way to get them myself since I can't drive. It got worse after our oldest daughter moved out until we had a major fight over it. I hate that he turned into the preachy type. He's doing the same thing over foods now from what I learned from his close friend. He's been this way since he had the heart attacks and surgery earlier this year.
FYI: The so-called cancer spot on his tongue turned out to be the result of his biting on that section of his tongue sometime in his sleep over a period of weeks until it became infected. It had NOTHING to do with the dip.
His quitting and being a huge jerk when he went through the process was bad enough but after he made it through a few weeks to a couple of months he began walking in the door each night asking questions like, "is something burning?" "what's on fire?" And the insults got worse. He even began sniping about having to paint the walls and tear out the ceilings b/c I had "smoked up" our new house and ruined it (excuse #1); our house is some 40 years old. It's older than I am and nearly if not older than him. Sure, it's new to us even after some 13-14 years here but still... The house was not in that great of shape when we bought it and I began painting every room after I gave birth and our daughter was up toddling.
The second excuse he gave was my ruining not only my own clothes but his and our daughter's clothing. I just ruined everything and then he threatened quite frequently of leaving. I nearly threw him out of the house and had our daughter in her room with the door closed and locked from the inside daring him to attempt to take her out. If he wanted to live under his mother's thumb with their self-righteous attitudes that was their perogatives but it was not going to be something I'd put our daughter through. I'd already spent a few years with my oldest daughter on the pawn board with her birth father and his mother using her as a way to not only hurt me but also to alienate her from me. I wasn't about to go through that again so I gave him the ultimatum. He could leave alone to live with his mother or he could shut up and live at home while acting like a decent father and husband. This shut him up for a while but if he came in with a bad mood, the insults began again only they didn't have the bite of before since we'd reached the separation stage once again in our marriage. It had only escalated to the point of considering divorce about three times over 20 years.
The first was when I learned I was going blind. He couldn't deal with it and expected me to deal with this news (I was already diagnosed blind and was only waiting for the paperwork for the revocation of my driver's license) for the both of us when I was having a difficult enough time dealing with it for myself. I was a workaholic and while I was working away from home I was an important person and a major player within a team. I had to give all that up to become the one thing I never wanted to be and that was a stay-at-home-mom. Please don't get me wrong when I say that I love my children and would die for either one of them... but I never was nor am I now SAHM material. I have a very low threshold of tolerance for children. It's probably why our children are & our oldest was and still is well behaved. The second time was when I was going through one of the first of a series of lupus flares only I didn't know I had lupus. I was bedridden and hurt all over yet I didn't have the flu or anything of that nature. It didn't help that these specialists kept bouncing me from one doc to another claiming it was all in my head until the right doctor ran the right test then sent me to the right specialists to get a bit of control over the disease. The last time was when I was transitioning between peri-menopause and full-blown menopause. He was needy for my attention (uh hum...) and I just wasn't interested, plus I felt bad at the time too b/c lupus and Sjogren's with all their side effects takes a lot out of a person living with any of the autoimmune diseases. That was probably the closest we came to divorce second only to the eye disease revalation. I threatened to change the locks on the doors that time. He didn't leave home except for work and little else b/c he knew I was handy with a set of tools and could easily change out locks and put in deadbolts.
As the old saying goes, I wasn't born yesterday or the day before. Heck, I survived an abusive alcoholic father, raising my brother with an infant child as a single mother without child support and I ran the household for the 11 years he spent working mostly out of town then when he was home he was either at his best friend's or he was at the race track racing so I never saw him. The e-cig and my using it has shut him up completely. He gets a bit miffed when I demand that the power inverter goes with us when we go out but other than that, he's been better. He still snipes about the house but I can only do so much in one day and for many yrs I earned enough for a housekeeper to come in twice a week. Working 2 and 3 jobs at a time esp when one is bartending gives one the extra income for the luxuries in life.
I made it plain when we got serious and even before that I wasn't now nor would I ever be a Mary Poppins, Betty Crocker, Susie Q Homemaker, or Martha Stewart. He had to choose whether he could live with those things as it resulted to me before our relationship developed any further. He said he did but after I couldn't work away from home anymore he tried to change me into something I'm not, have never been, and will not be any time soon.
It's tough to admit but I can relate to the woman you mention. My husband would often "forget" to pick me up cigarettes if I ran out and had no way to get them myself since I can't drive. It got worse after our oldest daughter moved out until we had a major fight over it. I hate that he turned into the preachy type. He's doing the same thing over foods now from what I learned from his close friend. He's been this way since he had the heart attacks and surgery earlier this year.
Please tell me you're joking 8-o I don't want to accept that there could really be people THAT dense in this world
Try to realize how stupid the average human is, then realize that half of the population is even worse...
I have no issue with somebody wanting to smoke rather than vape, I smoked for 20 years, who am I to tell them what to do? I don´t claim any moral high-ground, but neither should a smoker. We´re all addicts, and I can understand their choice to go on smoking.
But if a smoker ever tells me not to vape, he´s going to get the finger, because for a smoker to discriminate against vaping, when they themselves are being discriminated against so badly, is just stupid.
So funny, I work in a bar where we are allowed to smoke... This guy next to me starts waving my vapor away, saying you dont know whats in that thing, while at the same time he is smoking. LOL I was like are you kidding me? Do you know whats in that cigarette..Tar, nicotine, arsenic, carbon monoxide.... The "stuff" in this thing is the same stuff they use in asthma inhalers and fog machines...lol
Had this FDA argument too, from more than a few people.
Them: The FDA says that is bad for you.
Me: The FDA approved Alcohol and Cigarettes.
It's all about the benjamins.
Them: The FDA says that is bad for you.
Me: The FDA approved Alcohol and Cigarettes.
It's all about the benjamins.
Wasn't there a movie about how for years and years the less intelligent were breeding (I guess the majority of well educated couples on average have 1.5 kids or whatever and the people that get pregnant at 12 have 8 kids) so the average IQ was really low and this guy that was cryogenic frozen or time traveled or something and they all thought he was a genius even though he was an average joe... I forgot the name of the movie but honestly when I see some of the people out there or ones that I work with I'm wondering if this isn't closer to the truth than we'd all like to believe.
Life and genetics has a way of evening it all out. Look at all the brown eyed parents with blue eyes children. Two deaf parents with hearing children, etc.
Life will find the way to sustain itself. Just watch Juassic Park.
That is so true. There are only 1 or 2 people in my family with blue eyes whereas the rest have brown b/c there is so much Native American Indian ethnicity in my family, both maternal and paternal. Brown eyes are dominent. My DH has beautiful blue eyes; I have traditional Native American Indian brown eyes; however, my oldest has my brown eyes and our youngest has hazel eyes. Her eyes are blue with lots of brown flecks with a mix of green atlhough I have no clue where the green came from considering nobody in my family has green eyes or had green eyes. I don't know of any of DH's immediate family having green eyes but blue eyes does run in his family. Both his brothers, his mother, her siblings (all but one, maybe two I think) and his niece have blue eyes including him; hwr, his nephew has brown eyes.
A few weekends ago my youngest daughter shocked me big time. Before she began to feel sick, she was able to see the tribal dancers during the harvest celebration. She loved the dancing. She had a chance to talk with one of the elders (a woman) while she was making a pot from coiled pottery clay. This was truly amazing for her b/c she made a coil bowl in 5th grade (she's in 7th now) using the coil method and I've taught her how to make them larger without pieces coming apart when burnishing the coils together. The bottom popped off her coiled dish. I was able to put some Super Glue on it so it would hold. I couldn't use slip or vinegar b/c it had already been bisque-fired, glazed, then glaze-fired.
While on the reservation she was able to get her moccasins. This time she chose the ankle-boots with fringes and hard-sole bottoms. I always get soft-soled; I hate wearing moccasins with hard-sole bottoms be it in calf-boots, ankle-boots, or louge-type slippers. As she tried on sizes, they finally found a pair to fit her... in a size 10! My oldest daughter has big feet as does my youngest. I wear between a size 7 to 7-1/2 depending on how they fit. I've broken so many bones in my feet that it's caused the bones to spread out more, thus being yet another reason I prefer moccasins without hard bottoms on them. Plus, if they get wet when you're out and about, the more they break-in and the better they fit.
Her height and shoe size most certain comes from her dad's side of the family; hwr, there is one thing she got from mine. Her feet are large but her feet themselves are short as in short from the tip of the toes to the heel. Her foot top rises higher than mine or others in my family but the size, wow! I wear between a 6-1/2 to 7-1/2 in soft-sole moccasins depending on how they're made. I only buy hand-made moccasins but it means not shopping in the touristy areas. The same is true of the dream catchers for both my daughters and me. I wish I had the $$$ to buy an authentic hand-carved and decorated peace pipe made by a tribesmen elder but those cost major money. The last one I saw that I wanted so bad b/c it was so beautiful was when we took what we called my "seeing eye trip" to the mountains b/c the doctors didn't have a clue how long my vision would hold out. DH took us into Cherokee b/c he knew I wanted to spend our first night on the reservation. it's the only place I've been able to actually sleep through the night. It's like coming home although I've never lived on the reservation. I've spent time there but never lived there. But I digress...
Didn't mean to get caught up; it's that darn occupational hazard that comes with writing for enjoyment and for money.
Oh, and did I mention my 12yo daughter is about 2 inches taller than I am? Her older sister is about 3 inches taller than me. DH teases me by propping his arms on my head since he's about a head-height to a bit more taller than I am. I'm 5'2" and he's 5'10/11". I guess my nickname should have been Shorty. I feel it much of the time. Heck, The wife of DH's oldest brother is a bit over 6ft and her son is 6'5".
ProtoType - Please tell me you're joking 8-o I don't want to accept that there could really be people THAT dense in this world
Yes. They are everywhere
Nothing scares me more than Chantix.
I loathed the anti-smokers who had forced me to stand outside, in the rain, even when I was at home. I hated New York's anti-smoking program so much that only inertia prevented me from calling in for the state's free nicotine patches just to dump them down the toilet. At every turn, if you become involved with the city's medical system, the first form they hand you is one asking if you smoke and if you want help giving it up.
If you say 'yes,' and 'yes,' on that form, they'll offer you the standard medically-approved smoking-cessation program: nicotine patches, access to a smoking counselor, and "an antidepressant to lessen the cravings" The antidepressant, I've since learned is most likely Chantix and therein lies a tale, or at least the nucleus of an urban legend since I haven't confirmed the source's assertions.
I was talking with one of my coworkers, a non-smoker, about smoking bans and general attitudes and how much I hate them and he said he was on the fence about it. He didn't smoke, but couldn't really see all the things that were being done in the name of forcing people to give it up, especially since he had had a friend who had died while giving up smoking.
When I had stopped blinking, I asked him what he meant, and he told me that he had had a friend in Texas, where he himself was from, who had gone in for the standard smoking-cessation program of patches, chat and Chantix, but in his case, something had gone wrong. His friend had been a really nice guy, peaceful, nothing wrong with him, but one day, he had simply gone crazy. He walked up to someone's house, started pounding on their door and shouting threats. He couldn't be made to go away, even after he had been warned that the occupants of the house were armed. In short, he was in a full-on psychotic break from reality and the end result was that they shot him dead.
Now, my co-worker admitted that he couldn't *know* that it was the Chantix that was responsible, but it seemed the only thing in the guy's life that had changed and, from what he himself had known of his friend, the only thing that would explain it.
It makes me wonder if there are any other standard program people out there who signed up to become ex-smokers and ended up becoming ex-everythings from a reaction to Chantix and an encounter with an armed neighbor or the police.
The connection wouldn't be that easy to make if you didn't know the person intimately.
Oh: By the way, I talked about using e-cigs with someone who was going through the standard program: big surprise-smoking-cessation counselors tell you that e-cigs are bad for you.
I've been using e-cigs now for about a month and I've gotten the bennies: I haven't had a regular cigarette in weeks, and then only because my batteries had died or I had run out of liquid, I smell better (in both senses), food tastes better, I might have a little more energy.
Since taking up e-smoking, I've been trying to share my enthusiasm for it with the people I work with and I've had a measure of success. I've been getting into mods and selling them my old equipment at a discount or just giving it away. So suddenly, there are a number of e-smokers at the bar huddled with the smokers in the little shelter in front of the door.
And so, there we are, merrily sucking vapor and liking it, when S comes out to smoke one of the roll-your-owns that New York City's punitive taxation have reduced him to ($10-12 a pack). He stands there a moment, and makes a face, and says, 'it stinks in here."
Three sets of jaws drop. I get there first.
"What?!"
He repeats, "it stinks in here it's like pipe tobacco."
We all stand there shaking our heads. I use mixes flavored with all kinds of Loranns' extracts. I've had one non-smoker liken the smell to fresh baked goods and stood smiling while she repeatedly let me waft the vapor into her face, but for S, the smell was intolerable, more than he could stand, as he stood there inhaling a filterless wad of stale pouch tobacco wrapped in gummed paper.
We went back to talking about the Joye 510 I had just handed to another of my coworkers and what to do with e-liquid, and S, grumbled and stepped out of the shelter to do his smoking alone.
People confuse me.
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