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Just gotta chime in on a few things for new-commers to the thread.
First let me say I use 2 Ohm SmokTech dualies on a Darwin and much enjoy them.
Next let me say I also use CE2 and Giantomizers on eveything from 510 mini batteries to the Darwin.
I also have done a LOT of business with many vendors out there...many of them ECF members but not all.
1. The CE2 is NOT a fail...and they DO NOT taste like 'burnt tires'. To burn anything on a CE2...you've got to be cranking out FAR MORE power than the things were EVER DESIGNED to handle. Stownz doesn't like a CE2, he isn't alone in not liking them, and that's fine. Hundreds of thousands of folks around the world DO like them (including myself), and they tend to vape at lower voltages on factory batteries. They aren't very expensive...so it's not the end of the world if they don't float your boat after trying a few.
2. Clearos are sensitive to high PH juices...period...it is the PV plastic out of China commonly used in the e-cig industry for clear products. Be it a RoyalSmoker CE2, or SmokTech clear dualie...and even alot of the clearish drip tips out there...avoid putting stuff like Atomic Cinnamon or super sour apple flavors in them. They will fall apart on you! Both manufacturers state this on their web-sites, as do most of the individual vendors who sell products that use this material.
3. In defense of 'rebranders' like GotVapes: A few posts in this thread try to paint these guys as some kind of con artists trying to 'push' junk on people. This simply is NOT TRUE! These vendors DO spend a considerable amount of time, energy, and money gathering data on products and communicating with the factories to make adjustments to these products. Every single time they make a claim of an improvement, it IS TRUE, and they can PROOVE it. Just as examples, Inkenvape, Nhaler, GotVapes, and many more.....do often have 'coustom production runs' done. It might be a very simple change to the stock product like using a different grade or type of nichrome in the coil, or an over-sized bridge...etc. They have focused on trying to tweak a product to a very specific market, and the chinese who are making this stuff have no way of knowing what our markets like unless vendors like these do what they are doing.
In summary....
None of these folks are scammers or con artists! They sure as heck would not be members of ECF for long if they were not all taking reasonable steps to live up to their claims! We're lucky to have good people out there who are excited about the e-cig industry and trying to build and maintain viable markets for a wide variety of products. They do work very hard, and RISK quite LARGE chunks of their own personal TIME and MONEY to bring us better products at good prices.
So is all the brand and vendor slamming really necissary to make a point that SmokTech has hit a home run with the Dualies? I get enough of hatchet man negative S***T in Polotics....don't really need/want it with my e-cigs too.
I've made over 50 orders from GotVapes over a 2 year period. Never had a problem with the vendor that was not solved in short order. Same goes for my experiences with many other vendors who are members here on ECF.
No...I've never taken money, discounts, free products, or anything at all from any vendor...period. Just my two cents for browsers of the thread.
Dualies rock! Try some.
The Metal CE2, and the latest Giantomizer revision also rocks!
Clear stuff is definately more fragile and doesn't last as long...but they make mods and cleaning easier.
Neither CE2 or Dualies are perfect for every juice/battery combo out there...
They both have some QC issues from time to time.
The bottom line is...they are each a different vaping experience.
I happen to like both...and it mainly depends on the battery and juice I'm using.
First let me say I use 2 Ohm SmokTech dualies on a Darwin and much enjoy them.
Next let me say I also use CE2 and Giantomizers on eveything from 510 mini batteries to the Darwin.
I also have done a LOT of business with many vendors out there...many of them ECF members but not all.
1. The CE2 is NOT a fail...and they DO NOT taste like 'burnt tires'. To burn anything on a CE2...you've got to be cranking out FAR MORE power than the things were EVER DESIGNED to handle. Stownz doesn't like a CE2, he isn't alone in not liking them, and that's fine. Hundreds of thousands of folks around the world DO like them (including myself), and they tend to vape at lower voltages on factory batteries. They aren't very expensive...so it's not the end of the world if they don't float your boat after trying a few.
2. Clearos are sensitive to high PH juices...period...it is the PV plastic out of China commonly used in the e-cig industry for clear products. Be it a RoyalSmoker CE2, or SmokTech clear dualie...and even alot of the clearish drip tips out there...avoid putting stuff like Atomic Cinnamon or super sour apple flavors in them. They will fall apart on you! Both manufacturers state this on their web-sites, as do most of the individual vendors who sell products that use this material.
3. In defense of 'rebranders' like GotVapes: A few posts in this thread try to paint these guys as some kind of con artists trying to 'push' junk on people. This simply is NOT TRUE! These vendors DO spend a considerable amount of time, energy, and money gathering data on products and communicating with the factories to make adjustments to these products. Every single time they make a claim of an improvement, it IS TRUE, and they can PROOVE it. Just as examples, Inkenvape, Nhaler, GotVapes, and many more.....do often have 'coustom production runs' done. It might be a very simple change to the stock product like using a different grade or type of nichrome in the coil, or an over-sized bridge...etc. They have focused on trying to tweak a product to a very specific market, and the chinese who are making this stuff have no way of knowing what our markets like unless vendors like these do what they are doing.
In summary....
None of these folks are scammers or con artists! They sure as heck would not be members of ECF for long if they were not all taking reasonable steps to live up to their claims! We're lucky to have good people out there who are excited about the e-cig industry and trying to build and maintain viable markets for a wide variety of products. They do work very hard, and RISK quite LARGE chunks of their own personal TIME and MONEY to bring us better products at good prices.
So is all the brand and vendor slamming really necissary to make a point that SmokTech has hit a home run with the Dualies? I get enough of hatchet man negative S***T in Polotics....don't really need/want it with my e-cigs too.
I've made over 50 orders from GotVapes over a 2 year period. Never had a problem with the vendor that was not solved in short order. Same goes for my experiences with many other vendors who are members here on ECF.
No...I've never taken money, discounts, free products, or anything at all from any vendor...period. Just my two cents for browsers of the thread.
Dualies rock! Try some.
The Metal CE2, and the latest Giantomizer revision also rocks!
Clear stuff is definately more fragile and doesn't last as long...but they make mods and cleaning easier.
Neither CE2 or Dualies are perfect for every juice/battery combo out there...
They both have some QC issues from time to time.
The bottom line is...they are each a different vaping experience.
I happen to like both...and it mainly depends on the battery and juice I'm using.
Great post Credo. I also enjoy both ce2's and like the duals as well.
Ce2's in a GP-SSR have been my goto vape since the SSR came out. I only like the duals so far because I don't enjoy having to keep them topped off. I have a Liquinator coming this week to try and remedy that. Can't wait to use the duals and the IKV 801 Fusion in that tank. It's nice to have all these great vape options.
Ce2's in a GP-SSR have been my goto vape since the SSR came out. I only like the duals so far because I don't enjoy having to keep them topped off. I have a Liquinator coming this week to try and remedy that. Can't wait to use the duals and the IKV 801 Fusion in that tank. It's nice to have all these great vape options.
This post of Credo, puts some things in another light. I must admit that I tend sometimes to be very critical to some stuff I mislike very much, but if it was not for venders bringing new stuff to the market, and with their feedback improving them, things would be worse.
Great post, should let us see the two sides of the coin.
Great post, should let us see the two sides of the coin.
Okay, so, a full week into the first carto and the last couple of days I noticed it was fading. It seemed to be having increasing difficulty heating up -- it took longer and didn't produce as much vapour even on a fresh battery. I've got that one soaking now so I'll see if it cleans up nicely. Meanwhile opened my second carto -- huge difference, immediately noticeable, but kind of cool because it's like rediscovering how great these are. 
Gonna order a bunch more this weekend. MadVapes seem to have a nice-looking stainless model with a 510 whistle tip that I'm going to try. I kind of miss the whistle tips 'cos I've been using them since I got my first eGo XL attys last September.
Gonna order a bunch more this weekend. MadVapes seem to have a nice-looking stainless model with a 510 whistle tip that I'm going to try. I kind of miss the whistle tips 'cos I've been using them since I got my first eGo XL attys last September.
Credo, I'm sorry but some of us have had diametrically opposite experiences to you. While I generally find the latest revisions of the CE2 just fine.. there are some vendors who did quite a bit of exaggerating, made some unfounded recommendations, and didn't do a good job with customer service after failures. To call it fraudulent or cons is extreme but they're still businesses and if they feel like they are suffering undue stress (personally or fiscally) then they can change their business model. Just like customers can, and have, gone elsewhere.
My main problem with the 'clearomizers' has been leaking. And leaking, in a product that is meant to hold liquid, just seems like an unforgivable problem. The CE3 has some pretty specific claims being made. And GotVapes is backing those claims with their own words. I hope these are better this time around because the growing pains of the CE2 were really unacceptable to me. Again, ~leaking~ seems like a really simple design/QC issue to address up-front. Cracking or wicking problems I can forgive.
I'm on week three of my SMOKtech duallies retry and so far, so good. Much better than the first spin. At 3.7v - 4.2v with my favorite juices they do quite well. Any higher and the juices get too muted for me to enjoy. I think before spinning them at 5v was just a bad idea for me.
Happy vaping, -Magnus
My main problem with the 'clearomizers' has been leaking. And leaking, in a product that is meant to hold liquid, just seems like an unforgivable problem. The CE3 has some pretty specific claims being made. And GotVapes is backing those claims with their own words. I hope these are better this time around because the growing pains of the CE2 were really unacceptable to me. Again, ~leaking~ seems like a really simple design/QC issue to address up-front. Cracking or wicking problems I can forgive.
I'm on week three of my SMOKtech duallies retry and so far, so good. Much better than the first spin. At 3.7v - 4.2v with my favorite juices they do quite well. Any higher and the juices get too muted for me to enjoy. I think before spinning them at 5v was just a bad idea for me.
Happy vaping, -Magnus
Mangus,
There is a big difference in opening up a thread to talk about a product's weak points, or posting a negative review of some sort...and going on year long rips over products or vendors you've not even tried in months. Already...vendor web sites are starting to look and sound more like a perscription drug commercial with the long lists of warnings that products aren't going to be perfect for everyone. Already, a few jerks are threatening law suits over $10 purchases and asking for outragious compensations (even when it can be proven the folks were offered or received their money back or replacement products).
If you browse the web on clearomizers, it is no secret that the clear ones can crack and leak. Many vendors sell replacement tubes for a few cents each...making the risk very low, and the value still high for many folks. There are hours of YouTube videos and gigs of threads discussing this fact.
Burnt tire taste? Refusing to acknowledge the product also comes in metal packages? Failing to recognize the disclaimers on the vendor's web-sites that disposable products aren't meant to last forever? It gets a bit extreme to me.
Despite all of this...almost every single vendor who is a member here on ECF carrys the RoyalSmoker line. People ask for them that much...knowing full well a clearo sleeve might only last a few days on average, and some might not work at all (very rare these days to get a dud in a pack of CE2s). It's still under a buck a day...and for any consumeable product that's not a bad price to pay! A stick of gum or a candy bar is more than that these days!
On vendors changing practices...
This HAS happened. The prices go up, and great items often go out of stock because vendors are more and more afraid to order sufficent stocks to meet the demands of the folks that still like them despite their obvious faults. Publicity for the items looks more and more like disclaimers for a drug commercial.
I'll leave it at this...
Check the posting history of some of the folks who constantly slam vendor and brand names into posts every chance they get. It goes way beyond, "Yanno, there is a problem with this product you should know before you order a bunch of these.", and extends into something very close to 'liable and slander'.
At any rate...back on topic...
With a good strong battery/switch....the Dualies are indeed a good product to me. They are not without their quirks and problems either...but still...every bit worth the selling price.
Having started vaping about the same time duals came out, I have been able to bypass many of the problems vapers have endured. I have never used CE2s or even filled a cartridge. I have never even tried tanks. The dual coil cartos are the second thing I tried (first was standard cartos).
I have had no problems with vaping. I use basic 510 gear. Riva, eGo and SLB. I use cartos exclusively. Mostly duals and LR Boges.
I would like to thank all the vapers and vendors that have made it so easy on me.
I have had no problems with vaping. I use basic 510 gear. Riva, eGo and SLB. I use cartos exclusively. Mostly duals and LR Boges.
I would like to thank all the vapers and vendors that have made it so easy on me.
I wish all these options were around for me a year and a half ago when I started. We can all ..... and moan about what some salesman said or what we like the least. At the end of the day all that matters is can this stuff get folks off of the cancer sticks.
For a smoker trying to quit to have all the choices of single and dual coil cartos, ce2s, dripping, carts and so on is a great thing. Confusing perhaps but still great. I hate dripping with a passion but that doesn't mean it won't be what works for someone else. Same with DC's and ce2s.
All these methods can work. They have strong points and weak. It's not about getting angry when one way doesn't work for you, it is about finding one that does.
For a smoker trying to quit to have all the choices of single and dual coil cartos, ce2s, dripping, carts and so on is a great thing. Confusing perhaps but still great. I hate dripping with a passion but that doesn't mean it won't be what works for someone else. Same with DC's and ce2s.
All these methods can work. They have strong points and weak. It's not about getting angry when one way doesn't work for you, it is about finding one that does.
If there is a better preforming carto or atty for 2.50 each send me the link. I doubt it....just do a quick search for smoktech dual coil cartos you wont be disapointed....If price is too much just go to smoktech's website and buy 500 for 1.30 each xxl size. I cant buy 500 so I will keep the usa vendors in business
You could try the IkenVape 801 Fusion.
These are both fine cartos, just different.
DC's give me a bigger but wispy cloud of vapor and strong nicotine delivery, but are very gear dependant and just an o.k. flavor.
Fusions give me a smaller but denser cloud of vapor and good nicotine delivery, not as gear dependant and great flavor.
The Fusion can be harder to get but less than $2/ea why not try them both? Either one beats the hell out of smoking. I like DC's when I want nicotine in a hurry but keep the Fusions for my favorite juices.
These are both fine cartos, just different.
DC's give me a bigger but wispy cloud of vapor and strong nicotine delivery, but are very gear dependant and just an o.k. flavor.
Fusions give me a smaller but denser cloud of vapor and good nicotine delivery, not as gear dependant and great flavor.
The Fusion can be harder to get but less than $2/ea why not try them both? Either one beats the hell out of smoking. I like DC's when I want nicotine in a hurry but keep the Fusions for my favorite juices.
Forgot to mention that while I also despise the crackability of the tubes the ce2s use they actually make for good drippers and are very mod-friendly. I hate dripping as a way to constantly vape but it is a great way to sample a new juice. Atomizers are dead to me now with all these under $2 options we have.
Alright....still useable for now. I have tried to be careful with these. I think my problem might be taking off tip and putting back on. My father in law and my self have been using for 3 days now. The vape...flavor and th are better than anything we have ever used.....but we have cracks now down next to the threads....are they going to break?
Unfortunately this is a very common problem with clear cartos (that apparently is being remedied with the forthcoming CE3). Yes, it will eventually crack even more. Apparently cinnamon juices and the like make it worse, in case that's what you're vaping. That's why I'm sticking with black/stainless ones. A bit harder to crack metal.
Unfortunately this is a very common problem with clear cartos (that apparently is being remedied with the forthcoming CE3). Yes, it will eventually crack even more. Apparently cinnamon juices and the like make it worse, in case that's what you're vaping. That's why I'm sticking with black/stainless ones. A bit harder to crack metal.
The dual coil clearos are much stronger then pE the CE2 tubes, but of course they can crack if you push them to hard.
About the CE3, I´m hearing not so good comments in another thread here at ECF.
From what I understand the CE3s people have been trying are some sort of beta, unfinished design and the real CE3s aren't out yet. At least, the ones RoyalSmokers are talking about seem to be different than the supposed CE3s I've seen.
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