SnusX Bucket - bulk snus, add your own flavours (formerly 'Make your own snus')

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Here's a link to another SnusX project: SnusOn.com - Snus Forum :: View topic - SnusX: The Experiment.. Between this and TB's experiment, I'd say this is extremely doable. Exciting as it is, I'm really hoping V2 does the kit in a 16mg version. I'll give it some time, but if it looks like the high nic won't pan out, I'll give this a shot .

 

[exogenesis]

Sounds like the guy trying it there liked it quite a lot TV,
I think I agree though, I'd rather it was the stronger stuff, and preferably loose snus.

Also very glad to read there that these dry snus don't seem to have much salt,
makes it much more attractive (to me).

Interesting the baking soda worked so well for the odour TB, didn't know that was so effective.

What's wrong with sticky-snus ?, reckon I could cope with that, trouble is I guess
all the stickiness is sugar - probably not too good for the teeth.

If you were doing this regular, I assume you'd have a production line going,
i.e. a new 24 portion can (1 weeks worth ?) soaking at all times, while using up the previous can.

 

[Kitabz]

Also very glad to read there that these dry snus don't seem to have much salt, makes it much more attractive (to me).

Can I ask why you prefer snus with lower salt, is it the taste or for health reasons?

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Can I ask why you prefer snus with lower salt, is it the taste or for health reasons?

exo just has weird taste, he's from the UK....oops........walking away.....

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Hey exo, I think I mentioned a while back V2 is coming out with a "Thunder Frosted Long +", width of a mini and longer, like the Lab 01/02. Just checkin' the details and it looks like they dropped the nic to 12mg in those:

[FONT=Tahoma, Arial]Category:[/FONT] Portion Snus, Long [FONT=Tahoma, Arial]Long Portion:[/FONT] Wide Like A Mini And Longer The Normal Portion [FONT=Tahoma, Arial]Portion:[/FONT] Strong [FONT=Tahoma, Arial]Flavour:[/FONT] Spearmint, Fresh [FONT=Tahoma, Arial]Brand:[/FONT] Thunder [FONT=Tahoma, Arial]Manufacturer:[/FONT] V2 Tobacco A/S [FONT=Tahoma, Arial]Origin:[/FONT] Denmark [FONT=Tahoma, Arial]Net Weight:[/FONT] 18 G (oz 0.63) [FONT=Tahoma, Arial]Portion / Can:[/FONT] 24 [FONT=Tahoma, Arial]Contents:[/FONT] Nicotine (about) 12 Mg/portion
Salt (about) 5%
Tobacco
Water (about) 52%
Taste Enhancer (table Salt)
Humectants (E 1520)
Acidity Regulator (E 500)

Since this is the place I usually catch ya, I wanted to alert ya .

Sorry about that interruption, Kit. exo's kinda hard to find sometimes .

 

[exogenesis]

Reasons for wanting no or little salt are

1 original reason(s) for it have long gone.
(a) as preservative at a historical time when home chilling was not possible.
(b) traditional taste enhancer - sort of - there are better ones, if this really ever was really needed.
(c) maybe the salt enhances the rate or ease of migration fo nic. into gum tissue?,
but I think maybe this is un-necessary with (extra) strong portions.

2 taste clashes somewhat with sweeter flavours (e.g. fruits or spearmint),
OK for original plain tobacco, or savoury flaours I guess (smokey bacon snus ?)

3 Excessive amounts added (traditionally), certainly constitutes quite a chunk of recommended intake,
that most of us already exceed.

4 adds 'solids' that significantly impair the possiblilty of making good snus WTA, low TSNA e-juice,
i.e. caking of e-cig atty coil with non-volatile salt(s), would like to try this sometime
(don't want to have completely wasted the £500+ I spent on e-cigs)

5 Don't particularly like the salty taste, can't take it out, but easy to add it.


I suspect it's so traditionally ingrained (in the wet snus process),
that to long time users it seems wrong to not have it there.

Maybe dry snus were/are always low salt ?,
well anyway it's good that these bucket ones (probably) are.

Presumably there is the sodium carbonate still added (acidity regulator E500 ?),
to get the pH to 8.5/9, so for truly 'saltless snus' maybe ammonium hydoxide would be better,
(like done with snuff?), as long as the excess ammonia was allowed to drive off,
presumably like it would do in the drying process (?).



Thanks TV, I thought I posted a comment about long&thin TF when it was mentioned.
Looks like Northerner have updated the details since then,
18g/24 portions = 0.75 g/portion, 12 mg Nic,
so same strength of snus material : 1g, 16mg Nic portions, or 0.5g 8mg nic. minis.

I think it's a better amount, for me,
1 g = bulge, too much, 0.5 g mini = not quite enough, these look perfect.

Just got to get through the other 4 cans of TF loose and 2 cans of EnergySnus before getting some.

Must just go & grind up some passion flower, skulcap, valerian, rhodiola, tea and peppermint for my first cuppa of the day...(damn that's good)

 

[Kitabz]

Reasons for wanting no or little salt are

1 original reason(s) for it have long gone <snip>
2 taste clashes somewhat with sweeter flavours <snip>
3 Excessive amounts added (traditionally) <snip>
4 adds 'solids' that significantly impair the possiblilty of making good snus WTA, low TSNA e-juice, <snip>
5 Don't particularly like the salty taste <snip>

Wow, thanks for such a detailed response, lots and lots of reasons then!

exo just has weird taste, he's from the UK....oops........walking away.....

Aye, that'll be right

Sorry about that interruption, Kit. exo's kinda hard to find sometimes .

No worries, everyone's free to join in!

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

No worries, everyone's free to join in!

Sometimes I feel I have to just to keep you guys in line....aye......

 

[WerkIt]

I SWORE I had read that snus is traditionally flavored with oils - you know - like those oil extracts that you CAN'T mix into your e-liquid.

 

[exogenesis]

Think so, some are flavoured with essential oils like
leaf oils (peppermint, spearmint, eucalyptus),
fruit peel oils (bergamot & other citrus oils) etc.

The snusX bucket doesn't have anything added I thought,
don't know if the snusX flavour bottles are extracts or synthetic (like Loran).

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Ok exo, I emailed V2 about a possible 16mg SnusX bucket and, at least for now, you and I are outta luck .

Response:

Thanks for your email. We appreciate it!

We make the SnusX. We have not decided to make it in the strong version yet-
but it is in our considerations for the future.

Med venlig hilsen / Regards

V2 Tobacco A/S

Patrick Vogel
www.v2tobacco.com



So I think I'll follow TB's lead and get an available bucket. I'm thinking one with the vanilla flavoring included. I normally only use 8mg portions for the drive home from work (although occasionally 2 at a time ), so if I make it a can at a time it'll probably last for upwards of 2 years. Basic 'baccy flavor like Ettan to start (which I like), add a little vanilla and cinnamon oil...mmmm .
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[exogenesis]

Well done for checking TV, at least they're thinking about it.

Wonder how long V2 thought about long&thin TF after Lab01/02 came out,
maybe the 'later perhaps' reply on the stong SnusX bucket is the difference
between competing with other peoples products & competing with your own.

Funny, but currently I'm finding the TF minis stronger than larger amounts of TF loose
put into those d7.se snus-pouches (must do a piccy review of those),
maybe it's a batch difference or batch age perhaps.

Not likely to get a SnusX bucket with fat 1g portions myself, too much lip bulge for me.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Wonder how long V2 thought about long&thin TF after Lab01/02 came out,
maybe the 'later perhaps' reply on the stong SnusX bucket is the difference
between competing with other peoples products & competing with your own.

You could be right on that. They may wanna wait 'til the regular SnusX goes big-time, then sales taper off before another product move. I do wonder, though......I'm thinking you emailed 'em about the 01/02 type portions before the 01/02 gained much popularity. Maybe they hadn't thought about until then and decided it was a good idea regardless of how the Lab panned out. Donno...

Funny, but currently I'm finding the TF minis stronger than larger amounts of TF loose
put into those d7.se snus-pouches (must do a piccy review of those),
maybe it's a batch difference or batch age perhaps.

Now that you bring that up, the Oden's los I use is kinda that way. Flavor seems fine, but you'd think a 17mg chunk of loose 'baccy would be quite a hit. Not so. I find the Thunder 16mg portions stronger. Maybe the "tobacco spray" they use??

 

[exogenesis]

Can't imagine they didn't already have it in the works before I contacted them,
maybe it's just a simple adjustment on the mini-snus making machine to
change the packet length ?

Yes, the snus spray is something I keep thinking of doing on the TF loose, the current batch I've got
is much drier than the previous one, so I thought maybe make some 'super strength' los by adding some
water to some, syringe sqeezing some liquor out, and adding to some of the drier los.

Head blown off time

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Head blown off time

Just like Granny used ta make......cha cha !

 

[Vaporer]

Great reading all...........

I'm ordering a bucket next week. My impression was that it was processed snus, nothing added, dry in the pouch. I would expect to have a foul odor and they dont hide that fact at all. I am getting just the plain bucket. I have over 100 flavorings from my DIY vape tests.
If I'm right and from reading the results of this threads testing, the odor won't stop till the source is stopped, and then it can be aired out. Of course, it wouldn't be the 1st time I've been wrong either.
My hunch is the sodium carbonate in liquid soaks the tobacco and neuralizes the generation of new foulness or already embedded foulness. I'm glad to see the comment abt sodium bicarbonate. I was sure I read long ago that sodium carbonate changes immediately to bicarbonate on contact with saliva.
Some snus shows the % of sodium carbonate and I'll be adding it directly with flavor for ph , nic adsoption and odor control. I'm pretty sure I read that salt enhances nic adsorption but I'm not sure how. Conditions the oral tissue maybe?

exo, on the "snus powder", I read the exact same formula for making it and it came from a grow your own tobacco area. My impression was that its just ground dried cured tobacco. Nothing special, just a base for nic source.

TB, looking forward to your next vid! Always informative and well done. I refer ppl to them regularly.

 

[Vaporer]

TB, in your early post you were dead on. I'm just adding commercial flavor to enhance or modify an existing flavor in a finished product and Dred is flavoring RYO or basically regular tobacco.
Fermented tobacco found in snus is a diff cat.
I think I'll email SnusX and ask if they add salt, sodium carbonate and such to the bucket portions. My suspicions are they do not. Their flavoring may contain some salt and sodium carbonate.

What I have found using flavoring for snus & snuff are that the oils last the longest.
PG/VG based are shorter lasting than oils, but last longer than water based ones.
I have seen a couple exceptions on specific flavors.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

I think I'll email SnusX and ask if they add salt, sodium carbonate and such to the bucket portions. My suspicions are they do not. Their flavoring may contain some salt and sodium carbonate.

Yes, please do as these are the same questions I have. Especially the sodium carbonate......don't wanna miss out on any of that free-base goodness. If we know how far they've gone in the process, it'll save some pH testing and trial and error stuff..... I don't wanna work any harder than need be..I just wanna snus .

 

[Vaporer]

TV,
Already sent it. I'll post the reply.
I cant imagine them not telling. If its an issue of getting the goods and cleaning the stink up we dont want to miss that step. I'd like it in there if it isnt though.
Most companies use it so I figure its there for a good reason.

Even if its in their flavoring, they sell it without so we need to know...

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

TV,
Already sent it. I'll post the reply.
I cant imagine them not telling. If its an issue of getting the goods and cleaning the stink up we dont want to miss that step. I'd like it in there if it isnt though.
Most companies use it so I figure its there for a good reason.

Even if its in their flavoring, they sell it without so we need to know...

Absolutely. Also, they seem fairly quick on responses. My email was answered in less than 24 hours. Says a lot for a small outfit that probably gets a rather large amount of daily emails to weed through .