So Enough Already with the "You must do this" "You must buy that" Attitude

[WillyZee]

I was reading a thread where a guy named John gifted a brand new Provari to someone who could not afford one ... next thing, other ECF members are sending vape gear to this person ... really now, what other place does that kind of $*** happen?


Edit: keep reading below ... the Provari was new

 

[celticluvr]

Instead of editing to add on to my post, I will say something here.

I hope what I wrote previously didn't offend anyone in any way. I have seen a few times where there was a bit of pushiness going on but that doesn't mean I am trying to bring down anyone at all. I have met the nicest people on this forum and they are always meaning the very best to everyone.

I got in a hurry earlier because I type slow and my internet likes to sign me out if I am inactive for too long.

 

[cbrite]

I guess I go on the premise that most people are not going to go too far out of their comfort zone--especially when they are new to something--no matter what info people provide. They may tuck some of it away for later or just skim that info and move on. I have what works for me and I am not going to be building, rebuilding, sub-ohming etc. So I kind of just glaze over when I see posts about that because they are of no interest to me. What does concern me in the New Members forum is when I see these folks who are just starting to vape asking what to buy so they can sub-ohm. Scares the heck out of me, really, because that process seems like it requires a lot of good research before attempting it--and I wish more folks would caution the new folks to get some "drive time" under their belts before jumping into the more complicated things.

 

[Rodeorat]

I was reading a thread where a guy named John gifted a used Provari to someone who could not afford one ... next thing, other ECF members are sending vape gear to this person ... really now, what other place does that kind of $*** happen?
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If that's true, and I'm sure it is, that wow's the heck outta me. Very impressive ECF!

 

[cbrite]

I was reading a thread where a guy named John gifted a used Provari to someone who could not afford one ... next thing, other ECF members are sending vape gear to this person ... really now, what other place does that kind of $*** happen?


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That was me that was gifted with the Provari (and it was new, direct from Provape, not used) I have never had anyone other than family or close friends gift me with anything and I am also on a lot of forums and in many groups. So I agree with you, Willy--where else but ECF would something like this happen! Provarinati get a bad rep around here sometimes, but they are some really good folks, believe me!

 

[WillyZee]

If that's true, and I'm sure it is, that wow's the heck outta me. Very impressive ECF!

It's very true ... I've seen others also, posts where devices have been gifted to those with no backups ... juice delivered by strangers in life but happen to be ECF friends living in the same city.

 

[Myrany]

Actually if it the same guy I am thinking of that was the SECOND Provari I know of him giving away.

 

[Laylel]

I absolutely agree with OP.

I wish someone made big info about cost of vaping gear and juices.

Lets say, price for gear, life time of gear, maintenance of gear (time/cost of parts/skill/heals conditions involved). Same for DIY juices (needed investment and such). So ppl just can compere what suits them better in real numbers.

My hubby took from me KSD and Taifun clones and for last month he vaped 10ml of juice (he still smokes too), so of course, why hi will care about DIY juices or bother to learn to rebuild atty. I vape 6-10 ml a day, of course i need to go DIY. But i spend so much money before i got to know what i know now. I wish i cud see this lay out at the beginning.

 

[Rocketpunk]

I just posted this in a thread on the New Members forum, but I've been thinking about starting a thread about it for a while.



So have at it folks, what's with the repeated condescension and bashing of people who don't want to or can't (for whatever reason) vape the same way you do?

Some people are just fine with cigalikes, or an ego with disposable toppers.

Some people don't want, or can't afford, a Provari or a Reo.

Some people don't want to or can't do coil rebuilding.

Some people don't like carto tanks.

Some people don't like clearos.

Some people enjoy DIY, others don't.

People like different equipment, flavors, or ratios, or suppliers. So why not phrase your preferences as just that, preferences, instead of all the "you gottas" that are so common here. Why not try to help people with whatever problem they are asking about, instead of insulting them for having that problem, or that equipment.

Excuse me for a minute while I find a ladder so I can get down off of this high horse now.

A lot of what you see on here are suggestions by vapers who successfully made the switch and are really excited about what they did. It can almost border on religious conversion. As your OP says, different strokes for different folks. To each their own, and the much oft-used "YMMV" here.

You'll find as you progress that many veteran posters don't really shove that kind of info down new people's throats. We've all learned it's a process through trial and error, and as you go, you learn more and more.

Many have done their best to disseminate their knowledge here for you and give you a kind of "tutorial manual". Their experiences are unique, but not all the time "the same". As you slowly digest the Red Pill, the Rabbit Hole will make more sense. I promise!

 

[Ryedan]

People like different equipment, flavors, or ratios, or suppliers. So why not phrase your preferences as just that, preferences, instead of all the "you gottas" that are so common here. Why not try to help people with whatever problem they are asking about, instead of insulting them for having that problem, or that equipment.

I've seen only a few people on ECF be outright pushy or condescending and they tend to get called on it pretty quick.

There are two kinds of people in this world...

--Those who answer the questions as posted
--Those who answer the questions the way they want to answer them

I really don't know what to say other than it has been this way since the beginning of time.

This ^^^.

I see a lot of people on ECF who don't properly read and understand a post and then answer what seems to be what they thought the poster meant to ask instead of what was actually asked.

For example, "My <insert name of tank here> leaks. How do I fix it?"

"Get a <insert name of another tank here>. They don't leak."

The poster didn't ask for suggestions on better tanks, they wanted to know how to fix the leak.

I don't think it's done on purpose, or to be condescending, the responder doesn't know how to fix the problem and is honestly trying to help with what they think they know. It's not just here, like DC2 said, it's been this way since the beginning of time. Personally I doubt this is going to change any time soon.

Maybe it would help if we had a 'response relevant' button we could click on for posts kinda like the 'like' button is now?

 

[Fizzpop]

I agree with the OP in that nobody should bash anyone about what or how they choose to vape. My wife is perfectly happy with an eGo Twist and her Davide mini. Doesn't want anything else. I have a Reo and a Provari and love them both; she has tried them but is totally satisfied with her eGo. No problem. I re-build her coils for her, she has no desire to fiddle with stuff like that. Again, no problem. I both understand and respect her preferences. (Her little Davide provides a very good vape, BTW.)

That being said, if someone posts something like:

Wow! I am really loving my Kafun. What a great vape! I'm in heaven! It looks great on top of my <Insert Big Expensive Tube Mod Here>

I really don't have a problem with that. I've looked into the Kayfun and to me it looks overly complicated. But I have no problem with another person who thinks it is the bee's knees. Most of the posts I run across are like this. People who are either excited about a piece of gear they think is really great, or people who are posting suggestions for gear for an open-ended question. Posts like this aren't bashing anyone.

On the other hand, if someone posts something along the lines of this:

I bought a Kayfun because it is the best. If you don't have a Kayfun, you are a failure of a human being.

You would have every right to be offended.

While I've seen a few posts of the second kind here on ECF, the majority are of the first kind. Can it get annoying to constantly here about stuff other people are buying? Yeah, it can, but that isn't anything to be offended about.

 

[tj99959]

Ya know, I probably spent 40 of the 50+ years that I smoked trying to quit. The fellowship found on these forums has played a major role in the fact that I haven't smoked for over three years now. So my question is "why are we here" ... realy! It doesn't matter all that much what we talk about, as long as we support each other in doing probably the hardest thing any of us will ever do.

So don't be to quick to condemn someone because their post is a bit off topic. At least they are posting on the forum, and probably not smoking.

 

[Chelonian]

I like to debate.

I don't get upset, and I surely don't expect all others to feel as I do.

HOWEVER

Since I do like to debate, I sometimes gleefully jump into what I like to think as an animated thread.

I gotta say, that even in the hottest threads, this community stays remarkably civil. Sure there are a few that state their opinion strongly, but I have also noticed that if the poster goes too far and is confronted about it by another member, 90% of the time they apologize.

I am sorry, but I must respectfully suggest that you may be taking all of this too seriously.

Who cares what others say or think on a forum? Compared to all the information and help here, it's such a small thing.

I really don't mean this badly - so I hope you don't take it badly.

 

[DC2]

I've seen only a few people on ECF be outright pushy or condescending and they tend to get called on it pretty quick.

It helps to remember that we get new people here all the time, and they are fired up about things.
And when they start responding to posts, they don't always understand that this forum is a bit different than other forums they may be used to.

The moderators do a great job here, depending on if you like how they keep this forum or not.
Those that do not like it are eventually gone.

Then they go whine and cry about the moderation on some other forum.

 

[DC2]

I see a lot of people on ECF who don't properly read and understand a post and then answer what seems to be what they thought the poster meant to ask instead of what was actually asked.

There are also a lot of people with short attention spans, who often can't be bothered to read the whole post before responding.


As they say, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

There are forums where standing the heat means dealing with cussing and abuse and whatever is thrown at you.
And there are forums where standing the heat means dealing with being civil and helpful.

This forum is the latter, and many people can't deal with that kind of heat.

 

[Caffeine7]

I was going to respond to this thread but nobody here has the same diamond encrusted, platinum hand carved mod or unobtanium one off tank so being that you're not real vapers like me I must adhere to my standards. Seriously, these forums are a great source of info weather you're happy with your ego setup or high$$ rig. It's all about one group helping each other. Every question I've had was either answered quickly or already asked by someone else and answered. There have been posts that were condescending or mean and quickly called out or even deleted. There are honest suggestions about equipment like, if tank a is leaking and gurgling try tank b it worked for me. It dosent mean get in the car right now and blow $$ they might not have. It means it worked for me so I'll suggest it to you. I've got much more attitude from the b&m employees about how I need this or that but not on here. But again the average member here isn't trying to make a sale just be helpful.

 

[glointhedark]

My biggest problem is the people who come off as absolutely bashing products or vendors. It is one thing to say "This equipment did not work for me", or "This vendor's eliquid is not to my taste", or "This vendor messed up my order, or sent a defective product, and has not made it right for me", as opposed to some posts I have seen stating that products or vendors are absolutely garbage (that is the impression that I have gotten from the wording in some posts, it may not have been meant that way). We all have different tastes and expectations, and especially when trying to help and give advice we need to remember that just because something did not work out for us it does not necessarily mean it will not work for someone else. Yes, if you had a bad experience with equipment, eliquid, or a vendor, say so, and give any details, but please do not generalize (I do not like this equipment, vendor, eliquid, so it is trash). If someone is asking about doing something dangerous, say so, and try to steer them right. If you have a good experience, say so, and give details. I had one vendor that we were using exclusively at the time make mistakes on 3 or 4 orders within a 6 month period. I still recommend them because we liked their product and they absolutely made good on the mistakes, no questions asked. As soon as I contacted them, they took care of the problems.

I have gotten a great deal of advice and help just from reading here, and really appreciate the time people take to go into great detail trying to help anyone with questions or problems. It took a while reading and researching here before we decided on what we wanted to "move up" to when we decided to change our equipment, and still more time and reading before we found some new eliquid vendors to try. There are a lot of good, helpful people here who are willing to take time out of their day to help anyone who asks.

 

[anumber1]

(Edit rant)

90% of my juice is from MBV. The other 10% is from lesser known or other "budget" vendors. I've tried and don't care for many of the more popular "premium" ones on the forum, or else they don't fit my budget.

I'm me. I do what's right for me. Everyone here is who they are and doing what's right for them. What's the goal here? Does it matter how much time and money people spend as long as they get there?

Phew! Okay, end rant.

I agree.
I like permium juice, love it. But, $27 for 30 ml of juices as an all day vape? Cant do it.

$8 for 30 ml of moo juice and udderly nutz. Oh yeah!

I keep some "good stuff" around for a treat and vape mbv all day most of the time. Its good, satisfies me and mbv treats me right. They are a great outfit!

 

[DC2]

Yes, if you had a bad experience with equipment, eliquid, or a vendor, say so, and give any details, but please do not generalize (I do not like this equipment, vendor, eliquid, so it is trash). If someone is asking about doing something dangerous, say so, and try to steer them right. If you have a good experience, say so, and give details.

I think the "give details" part is the issue.

The "short attention span" people can't be bothered with that.
It takes too long to actually provide useful information, when one can simply say "this sucks" or "that sucks" and move on to the next thread.

 

[MissyG]

I agree. I will likely never be able to rebuild. I have neuropathy in my hands and carpal tunnel. I simply lack the fine motor skills to be able to do it. When I ask for advice on tanks it is for a very good reason and it is a bit frustrating when you get posts that really don't answer your question and tell you that you are a "less than" vaper because you can't rebuild.

Now, I have to say I have found these posts few and far between. I have encountered them but I also have found many, many helpful people that have been very lacking of snobbery and answered my questions specifically without added "advice" on how I really should be vaping.