So Enough Already with the "You must do this" "You must buy that" Attitude

[Fir3b1rd]

Cool! My bachelors degree was in EE. I'm now working on my PhD in computer science and engineering.

I'm also using vapeing to not eat all the time. Although at this point I'm so tired of my own cooking, it doesn't take much. (The boss is currently on the other side of the country, although she plans on moving out this winter. That'll be fun.)

But I found a air control base for the mini. Kanger Airflow Control 2.0 - Mini Just waiting for the great vapemail. The local postal carrier has really gotten to know me this week. Thought I'd get one and see how it went.

You didn't have to show me that MvP. NOOOO!!!! I don't need more stuff. Really I don't. Ok, maybe some more heads for my Protank 2. Something went funky with the head for my 3 and it wasn't working quite right, so I slipped the spare 2 head into it. Maybe after it dries out it'll be ok.

Generally though, as an old engineer, I try to keep the number of parts to a minimum. If I'd started with aerotanks, I'd probably have kept with them. But I ended up with a protank, so that base looks like a good idea. That and the protank 2 is a single coil, which means easier to replace the coils when I get that brave.

Hahah- I have a degree in electrical service, computer networking and electrical engineering. In fact I was the team captain for our colleges IEEE region 5 robotics team. Now that I'm fresh out I'm Hoping to get into building prosthetics.
I got into vaping to kill a 20 year 2 pack a day habit. The fiancé(boss lady-lol) got into it; because she wanted to show that I wasn't the only one who could quit- lol
Luckily she waited till I was getting into RBAs and gotten myself a new mod; so she inherited (borrowed, stole, etc... My stuff) with the exception of one aero tank. I'm like you I do t like the idea of having piles of different gear. I want one mod and a few tanks that I can use until I wear a hole in the metal. And one backup mod.

That aerobase, is a real life saver though; I loved the idea of adjusting my draw on certain flavors.
101vape; tends to have some great deals and it's all US shipping so it's fairly quick.
I rarely give certainties on gear but if you like the V3 you'll love the MVP. It's pretty much the same chip, same freq, same operation, with a 2600 mah battery. In addition; although it's a little gimicky; it does come in handy, you can offload the charge into your cell phone. The MVP, in my opinion gives a whole lotta bang for very little cash. It's built like a tank, it's accurate, it's a high freq, and a huge battery.



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[amolson]

Heh, I got into it because the boss decided she was going to quit analogs. Of course me, being the geek I am, thought, "I've tried those nasty mall e-cigs (she's using Blus) and no wonder she hates 'em. Wonder what I can find?" Well, I found Virgin Vapors and this site and the local B&M and ... I'm so looking forward to Devil Dogs from Ahlusions. Latakia in a vape!

She's not talking to me at the moment. I'm sure she'll steal all my old gear if she hasn't started really vapeing, by the time she gets here. As long as I don't push it, I'll find she's organized me to do exactly what she wants. I'm sure that includes rebuilding and setting up all her gear. We've been married for over 8 years. I'm used to it.

Oh, I know I'll be getting an MVP, if nothing else before I fly back out there next Christmas. I always need extra mAh for flights. PSP God of War ....

Yeah, MyVaporStore seems to have the best deal on little parts, although Kidney Puncher can't be beat for things like heads. 5 for $5.95 Protank 2 heads? Awesome.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Heh, I got into it because the boss decided she was going to quit analogs. Of course me, being the geek I am, thought, "I've tried those nasty mall e-cigs (she's using Blus) and no wonder she hates 'em. Wonder what I can find?" Well, I found Virgin Vapors and this site and the local B&M and ... I'm so looking forward to Devil Dogs from Ahlusions. Latakia in a vape!

She's not talking to me at the moment. I'm sure she'll steal all my old gear if she hasn't started really vapeing, by the time she gets here. As long as I don't push it, I'll find she's organized me to do exactly what she wants. I'm sure that includes rebuilding and setting up all her gear. We've been married for over 8 years. I'm used to it.

Oh, I know I'll be getting an MVP, if nothing else before I fly back out there next Christmas. I always need extra mAh for flights. PSP God of War ....

Yeah, MyVaporStore seems to have the best deal on little parts, although Kidney Puncher can't be beat for things like heads. 5 for $5.95 Protank 2 heads? Awesome.

Lol- yeah I got into RBAs because rebuilding the kanger heads was becoming the name of my existence. I love coffee and dark juices; coincidentally kanger heads hate them. I had gotten a hazelnut coffee from a local shop and halfway through a tank I was changing the heads. 2 days after my first RBA showed up she decided to make the switch.
When I started it was with a blu; then an eroll(same concept as s blu but works more like a pen system). I hated them; they made me smoke more. Then I went to the egos; but way to fragile for me; any time I got in the car the heads would pop off in my pocket. That's when I got the MVP2; coincidentally the day I opened that box was the day I smoked my last cig.
My girl on the other hand stuck with the blu for 6 months; of course she was smoking still; only she cut down from a pack a day to maybe 5 cigs. When she stole my MVP she was able to quit. Something about is and innokin.
I've been using eBay for small parts like heads and kfun parts. It's just easier to search for them there and I'm a lacy shopper.


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[amolson]

We'll see how they do with the tank busters I love. I've never been into coffee or bitter, but pepper, spice, herbal, smoke, oh yeah. Bring it on. My idea of heaven is a tumbler of good single malt and a meershchaum full of Balkan Sobranie. Ok, and a hot young lady ...

But yeah, Innokin seems to be one of those "Well, it's not $200 so it's not crap." brands. My v3 is a dream. Now if I could get something like that with more pure power, there we go. I do run into the occasional vape I'd love to crank up. The Aroma Djarum WTA I just picked up is like that. I have my v3 set to max and it still is reaching.

I have lots of ideas though. It'll just take time and experience before I'm ready to start really modding, in the original sense. Things like I'd love to try ultrasonic vaporization for things that can't take heat, like scotch or brandy.

Although, to drag this kicking and screaming back onto topic, one thing I do find is pointing newbs at flavors. When you (I) just started out, the subtleties are really not the point. It's a smooth hit to get the feel of analogs. I recommend, highly, something like EC Blend's Fire and Ice. It kicks like a mule if you lung inhale, which is what you want.

Something else I'm going to try is dripping. It's too easy to vape, time wise. The only real time I think about picking up an analog is when I want a moment to think. Then I sit back and reach for my smokes. It's a pause button where dripping might fill that same, "Um, hold on a second. Let me get a smoke ..." delay. For me, I use a pipe for that now, but it might be one of those steps people who have converted might have forgotten about.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

We'll see how they do with the tank busters I love. I've never been into coffee or bitter, but pepper, spice, herbal, smoke, oh yeah. Bring it on. My idea of heaven is a tumbler of good single malt and a meershchaum full of Balkan Sobranie. Ok, and a hot young lady ...

But yeah, Innokin seems to be one of those "Well, it's not $200 so it's not crap." brands. My v3 is a dream. Now if I could get something like that with more pure power, there we go. I do run into the occasional vape I'd love to crank up. The Aroma Djarum WTA I just picked up is like that. I have my v3 set to max and it still is reaching.

I have lots of ideas though. It'll just take time and experience before I'm ready to start really modding, in the original sense. Things like I'd love to try ultrasonic vaporization for things that can't take heat, like scotch or brandy.

Although, to drag this kicking and screaming back onto topic, one thing I do find is pointing newbs at flavors. When you (I) just started out, the subtleties are really not the point. It's a smooth hit to get the feel of analogs. I recommend, highly, something like EC Blend's Fire and Ice. It kicks like a mule if you lung inhale, which is what you want.

Something else I'm going to try is dripping. It's too easy to vape, time wise. The only real time I think about picking up an analog is when I want a moment to think. Then I sit back and reach for my smokes. It's a pause button where dripping might fill that same, "Um, hold on a second. Let me get a smoke ..." delay. For me, I use a pipe for that now, but it might be one of those steps people who have converted might have forgotten about.

I stayed away from dripping until yesterday. Well, I would drip when it was offered; but, I didn't have a dripper. I don't have a mech and don't want to subohm. The times I've tried it it's been a .03 ohm coil with the power cranked way high and it was just too hot of a vape for me. I prefer to vape like I used to smoke a cigar; a nice dense; warm slow
Moving vape. Well, I was at a b&m yesterday and they had a patriot, that was practically given to me. I came home, set it up at 1.5 and have been running it at 4.4 V all last night and all tonight and loving it. I still don't want a mech though. I'm in a wheel chair and the idea of a mech falling out of my pocket and arching across the giant conductor I'm sitting on just doesn't sit well with me. (Yes pun intended- lol)
As far as flavors go; when I first started it was ry4 and cowboy blends all the way. Now it's those from time to time and vanilla custards, Irish cream, strawberry cheasecake, caramels, and a bunch of deserts. I just can't handle the fruits and candies. My girl is in total love with the suicide bunny mothers milk stuff. At 22 dollars a bottle it's got me moving into DIY- for 30 dollars I was able to make a months worth of juice; and, I am in hog heaven going this route. I'm picky but picky on quality and texture, so if I can make that for myself and get myself on bottle of the high end stuff for a treat once in a while I'm a happy happy guy.
Have you tried to lower your resistance on the coil to try and get more power out of your mod?
If I'm not mistaken innokin tops lit at 11W; short of going To an RBA or switching to something totally different mod wise, I'm thinking a low Rt coil may be the only route to crank up the juice.
I know you said earlier you're not a fan of the RBA concept; but, I have one of my kfls on a dual coil 1.5 and it hits like a beast at 3.8 V.

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[Myrany]

I stayed away from dripping until yesterday. Well, I would drip when it was offered; but, I didn't have a dripper. I don't have a mech and don't want to subohm. The times I've tried it it's been a .03 ohm coil with the power cranked way high and it was just too hot of a vape for me. I prefer to vape like I used to smoke a cigar; I nice dense; warm slow
Moving vape. Well, I was at a b&m and they had a patriot, that was practically given to me. So I came home, set it up at 1.5 and have been running it at 4.4 V all last night and all tonight and loving it. I still don't want a mech though. I'm in a wheel chair and the idea of a mech falling out my pocket and arching across the giant conductor I'm sitting on just doesn't sit well with me.
As far as flavored go; when I first started it was ry4 and cowboy blends all the way. Now it's those from time to time and vanilla custards; strawberry cheasecake, caramels, and a bunch of deserts. I just can't handle the fruits and candies. My girl
Is in total love with the suicide bunny mothers milk stuff. At 22 dollars a bottle I'm moving into DIY- for 30 dollars I was able to make a months worth of juice; and, I am in hog heaven going this route.
Have you tried to lower your resistance on the coil to try and get more power out of your mod?


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I do drip and squonk (mostly squonk)

I run 1.2-1.5 ohm coils mostly and use my REO which is a mech. But at the ohm level I vape it really isn't a worry.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

We'll see how they do with the tank busters I love. I've never been into coffee or bitter, but pepper, spice, herbal, smoke, oh yeah. Bring it on. My idea of heaven is a tumbler of good single malt and a meershchaum full of Balkan Sobranie. Ok, and a hot young lady ...

But yeah, Innokin seems to be one of those "Well, it's not $200 so it's not crap." brands. My v3 is a dream. Now if I could get something like that with more pure power, there we go. I do run into the occasional vape I'd love to crank up. The Aroma Djarum WTA I just picked up is like that. I have my v3 set to max and it still is reaching.

I have lots of ideas though. It'll just take time and experience before I'm ready to start really modding, in the original sense. Things like I'd love to try ultrasonic vaporization for things that can't take heat, like scotch or brandy.

Although, to drag this kicking and screaming back onto topic, one thing I do find is pointing newbs at flavors. When you (I) just started out, the subtleties are really not the point. It's a smooth hit to get the feel of analogs. I recommend, highly, something like EC Blend's Fire and Ice. It kicks like a mule if you lung inhale, which is what you want.

Something else I'm going to try is dripping. It's too easy to vape, time wise. The only real time I think about picking up an analog is when I want a moment to think. Then I sit back and reach for my smokes. It's a pause button where dripping might fill that same, "Um, hold on a second. Let me get a smoke ..." delay. For me, I use a pipe for that now, but it might be one of those steps people who have converted might have forgotten about.

Have you tried to lower your resistance on the coil to try and get more power out of your mod?
If I'm not mistaken innokin tops lit at 11W; short of going To an RBA or switching to something totally different mod wise, I'm thinking a low Rt coil may be the only route to crank up the juice.
I know you said earlier you're not a fan of the RBA concept; but, I have one of my kfls on a dual coil 1.5 and it hits like a beast at 3.8 V.
Took 5 minutes at most to set up start to finish

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[amolson]

I'm just getting started. This just happened to land when I had a few days to play around, although I do still have that paper hanging over my head ...

Nah, never even tried to drip and have only seen it once. It was at a B&M and she was dripping on like 0.135 ohm. Yeesh.

I just got a really cheapo 510 atomizer and I'll start there.

Mechs don't interest me, either. Just don't get it because I don't see the point. I want some control on that thing. I know what big ... batteries can do. No thank you. (Weird thought ... wonder if you could vape off a Tesla coil if you set it up right. Nevermind, there's no power in that ... but still!)

Actually the ry4 and tobacco flavors were what kept me from vaping. They were just too nasty. If I'm going to do tobacco, it's going to be tobacco. Real Latakia and Virginia and maybe a little Burley. Easy on the casing and heavy on the flavor. Otherwise, my attitude is I want interesting flavors. Something that's not boring and will get me to think about it.

Of course I also seem to have been born without a sweet tooth. I'll take a good rib eye over any sugar confection any time. Unfortunately there are no savory vapes yet that are decent. Maybe someday.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I do drip and squonk (mostly squonk)

I run 1.2-1.5 ohm coils mostly and use my REO which is a mech. But at the ohm level I vape it really isn't a worry.

I love the reo's my concern isn't using one. I was talking to a guy at a shop a while back and he wa in there trying to figure out why his mech arched in his pocket and burned the doodoo out of him.
Well; I'm sitting in a conductor all day(wheelchair) and I would prefer to not become the rolling version of green mile over a vaporizer. So, as much fun as a mech can be; I'm ok sticking with my regulated mods. Not to mention I get 8-10 hours on a battery Vs the 3-5 I hear my friends getting off a mech. Sitting all day limits the spade to
Carry stuff- so long as I leave with a fully charged battery it'll last me all day without having to keep a spare with me.


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[amolson]

I'll get there eventually. Just as soon as I get this paper done.

For me, because I'm an EE, I'll probably look into some of the circuit board control mods and literally build my own. Possibly even build the circuit boards. Jameco is not that expensive and I have enough single board computers around here, with all the tech to control them, to choke a horse. Including a couple FPGA boards with the software.

You see I do embedded, AI and robotics. When I heard about batteries that could drive 30 amps I was stoked. Not for mods, but for motors! Where I want to go with my degree, other than teach, is to build robots to climb mountains. Not hills, like 20,000ft plus mountains.

Meaning big batteries, solar, motors, etc. That's my excuse for learning this stuff and I'm sticking to it.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I'm just getting started. This just happened to land when I had a few days to play around, although I do still have that paper hanging over my head ...

Nah, never even tried to drip and have only seen it once. It was at a B&M and she was dripping on like 0.135 ohm. Yeesh.

I just got a really cheapo 510 atomizer and I'll start there.

Mechs don't interest me, either. Just don't get it because I don't see the point. I want some control on that thing. I know what big ... batteries can do. No thank you. (Weird thought ... wonder if you could vape off a Tesla coil if you set it up right. Nevermind, there's no power in that ... but still!)

Actually the ry4 and tobacco flavors were what kept me from vaping. They were just too nasty. If I'm going to do tobacco, it's going to be tobacco. Real Latakia and Virginia and maybe a little Burley. Easy on the casing and heavy on the flavor. Otherwise, my attitude is I want interesting flavors. Something that's not boring and will get me to think about it.

Of course I also seem to have been born without a sweet tooth. I'll take a good rib eye over any sugar confection any time. Unfortunately there are no savory vapes yet that are decent. Maybe someday.

Lmao! A tesla coil- next time I'm in the lab I'm gonna have to give that some thought!

Check out www.smokecignals,com they have a bacon flavor you may find interesting. Those 510's are kind of cool! I had one back when I first started just for giggles.
http://www.ahlusion.us has some flavors you may like also.
Yeah having the advantage of automatically do the math just makes it a little freaky right?
Funny you make the sweet tooth comment; I hate sweets; hate them. Give me a bag of Doritos over a pice of cake any day. Or breakfast sausage rather than pancakes and syrup. But I love those juices - talk about a conundrum.
I agree with you on the controlling the power thing though- hence the regulated mods- it does what I tell it to do. Unlike the dog; kids and wi..... Lmao.


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[Fir3b1rd]

I'll get there eventually. Just as soon as I get this paper done.

For me, because I'm an EE, I'll probably look into some of the circuit board control mods and literally build my own. Possibly even build the circuit boards. Jameco is not that expensive and I have enough single board computers around here, with all the tech to control them, to choke a horse. Including a couple FPGA boards with the software.

You see I do embedded, AI and robotics. When I heard about batteries that could drive 30 amps I was stoked. Not for mods, but for motors! Where I want to go with my degree, other than teach, is to build robots to climb mountains. Not hills, like 20,000ft plus mountains.

Meaning big batteries, solar, motors, etc. That's my excuse for learning this stuff and I'm sticking to it.

On the best thing that ever happened to me was getting out in the chair. I was cooking at night and driving a rig during the day. Got hurt went back to school and fell in love with robotics and EE. I'm working Oma couple of ideas to help other mobility impaired folks on the sly. Nothing to give he walking skills back but I'm focusing on key motor skills and trying to build it at a target price of under 500.00 so that anyone can afford it. All this crap is expensive; if you don't have insurance you're screwed. My chair was 12k- and it's just a basic custom manual chair- no motor. I did get a power assist system- it's a gyro controlled motor I can take on and off the chair at will but it was 10k.
I was considering building either an SX or DNA mod
Myself then I noticed the price- the boards are between 50 and 80 dollars depending on which one, so by the time I factored in material to build the mod, I'm not saving much.


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[amolson]

I have a huge order in with Ahlusions. Blue Fairy, Demon Dogs, few others. Especially since they take bitcoin. Made about a 50% profit last month on the silly things and they're dropping now. Time to spend and restock.

BC Blends has a bacon as well. A few other savories, but from everything I've heard, they haven't worked the bugs out yet ... and tastes like it.

One reason I hate programming C or C++. It doesn't do what you tell it to.

Yeah, that young woman with the 0.135 had to pull a calculator to figure the current on a coil and I was like, "Uh, it's like ... " She wasn't impressed, although the guy next to her smirked. I might not know vaping yet, but I know electricity. Which is why what I want, my dream rig, is one of those gorgeous high power mech mods, as much power as I can slap batteries into it, with Innokin control circuitry and a nice display like the eVic. I'm easy. I want everything in one package. I want a mod that can take a 0.1 RBA OR a Kanger Protank 2 without fuss or bother. Oh yeah, and a bayonet mount.

I do what the boss tells me to do. Actually, no, she doesn't tell me what to do, she just arranges things so I end up doing what she wants me to do. Southern Belle, you see.

 

[Hulamoon]

With an avi like that? Nooooooooooo...you go ahead and enjoy the heck out of your cig-alikes.!!! I int sayin' a word!

Perhaps I just interpret responses differently but I don't ever recall a condescending post here concerning another person's vaping choices or habits.

I still drag out my Joye 510's every now and then. Go ahead... ridicule me. I dare you all!

Some of the most patient and helpful folks I've come across reside here at ECF.

 

[amolson]

One of the things I'm working on, if it pans out, will probably be quite useful. Think of the track chairs, but instead with legs. Basically a robotic pony.

Have you seen some of the work being done with exoskeletons? It's really cool. Although I was in a chair for a few weeks when I broke my foot a few years ago (I was working in a hospital so I wanted to test accessibility. It sucked.) and whenever I came up with ideas on how to improve it, the attitude was, "Well, why would you do that? They don't NEED better chairs." Hrmph. One of my pet peeves. Even if you could 'row' the chair instead of that awful pulling it would be a huge improvement, not to mention things like hand brakes on the arms you row with or a ratcheting system so you didn't roll downhill. But nooooo, that's not 'necessary'. Ok, rant off now.

But back to vaping.

Yeah, if you can't build your own boards, you're rather out of luck. When I was prototyping, I used wire wrap. It's bigger, but for testing it's great. Once you have the design locked in it can be a pain, but talk to the folks where you went to school. A lot of times you can work with suppliers for small runs to get started on credit. Especially if you work through a school.

And yeah, that's why these mods and other toys are so expensive. They're very small run items. Any time you have a device with small runs for a limited market it's going to be pricey. Some of what surprised me with the Innokin. It seems to be very well made for a niche market device.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I have a huge order in with Ahlusions. Blue Fairy, Demon Dogs, few others. Especially since they take bitcoin. Made about a 50% profit last month on the silly things and they're dropping now. Time to spend and restock.

BC Blends has a bacon as well. A few other savories, but from everything I've heard, they haven't worked the bugs out yet ... and tastes like it.

One reason I hate programming C or C++. It doesn't do what you tell it to.

Yeah, that young woman with the 0.135 had to pull a calculator to figure the current on a coil and I was like, "Uh, it's like ... " She wasn't impressed, although the guy next to her smirked. I might not know vaping yet, but I know electricity. Which is why what I want, my dream rig, is one of those gorgeous high power mech mods, as much power as I can slap batteries into it, with Innokin control circuitry and a nice display like the eVic. I'm easy. I want everything in one package. I want a mod that can take a 0.1 RBA OR a Kanger Protank 2 without fuss or bother. Oh yeah, and a bayonet mount.

I do what the boss tells me to do. Actually, no, she doesn't tell me what to do, she just arranges things so I end up doing what she wants me to do. Southern Belle, you see.

LMAO- you want a huge mech with a kick on steroids. - a kick if you haven't seem it yet is a small module that you can drop in a mech to make it a variable wattage device- i think right now it goes from 5-15 W. Which is pretty nice. I thought about it; but, I'm waiting to see what Provari puts out in the next few weeks before Move on anything. Just totally on love with the look of a caravela with a patina put on it.
I'm lucky my girl and I were best friends before we got together so as much joking as I do about doing her bidding; she's not like that one bit. So long as I know she wants before she does. Lol
I pulled that math move on someone at a storefront once- they took it as an insult; I just couldn't help but spout the numbers out. I got the roll of the eyes and that look that says, "Showoff a$$hole." It bothered me for 2 hole seconds. Lol.



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[Anjaffm]

Anja - Just my 2cents on the provari debate. For A European the Provari comes with some costs that US residents do not have like VAT taxes and international shipping rates. Also it is not quite so simple to just send it back to Provape to get warranty repairs done which somewhat negates the warranty. THe one thing the Provari does that your Evic does not other than that Warranty is the high level of chip cycling. I personally CAN tell a difference in the vape. By comparison the Vamos vape is much harsher to me. Frankly were I in Europe I probably would not have ordered a Provari and instead got another well made variable device that I could get my hands on without all the extra expense.

TO Everyone: Use what pleases you and works for you. The point is not smoking.

Thank you very much! Now I get it! It's a regional difference!

In Europe, a Provari will cost you up to 250 Euro (338,52 USD) if you buy it locally. Or up to 320 Euro for some "premium edition". With approx 180 Euro for the Provari mini. (No, I am not kidding you- see here)

If you buy from the States, you got shipping, customs (19% VAT) - and, if the customs is nasty, they stop it and you have to fight to get it. Plus the warranty issue if you purchase abroad.

Thus, in my home country, a Provari is an absolute luxury item. Like a BMW or Mercedes Benz car in the States.
With the difference that anybody can see that you are driving a BMW or a Mercedes Benz. With the Provari, only experienced vapers can see that you are using an absolute luxury item that has cost you an arm and a leg. The rest of the world's people will have no idea that you are carrying an item for 250 Euro around with you, just to power your atty. And they would not understand, either. On the contrary

If, of course, the Provari is much less expensive in the States, then I can understand why so many people in the States use it. And recommend it.

Thank you very much for clearing up the matter, dear!

 

[Fir3b1rd]

One of the things I'm working on, if it pans out, will probably be quite useful. Think of the track chairs, but instead with legs. Basically a robotic pony.

Have you seen some of the work being done with exoskeletons? It's really cool. Although I was in a chair for a few weeks when I broke my foot a few years ago (I was working in a hospital so I wanted to test accessibility. It sucked.) and whenever I came up with ideas on how to improve it, the attitude was, "Well, why would you do that? They don't NEED better chairs." Hrmph. One of my pet peeves. Even if you could 'row' the chair instead of that awful pulling it would be a huge improvement, not to mention things like hand brakes on the arms you row with or a ratcheting system so you didn't roll downhill. But nooooo, that's not 'necessary'. Ok, rant off now.

But back to vaping.

Yeah, if you can't build your own boards, you're rather out of luck. When I was prototyping, I used wire wrap. It's bigger, but for testing it's great. Once you have the design locked in it can be a pain, but talk to the folks where you went to school. A lot of times you can work with suppliers for small runs to get started on credit. Especially if you work through a school.

And yeah, that's why these mods and other toys are so expensive. They're very small run items. Any time you have a device with small runs for a limited market it's going to be pricey. Some of what surprised me with the Innokin. It seems to be very well made for a niche market device.

I've seem some of the worm DARPA has done with the legged mobility stuff. And I've followed the exoskeletons since cyberdyne made the announcement in 2011. Funny to cyberdyne is building ironman- lol
I've gotten to the point where all the mobility aids in the world come with a price that can't be paid- a suit would take 20 minutes to get into; them take up space behind the wheel of the car; then at work behind the desk you would have to take it off- another 20 minutes. Going out to eat a total of 40 minutes at the table. It's just an impractical application at this point. Not to mention its 250k.
If they can scale it down to just hug the body and not take up much space then I would explore a way to get my hands on one more. But, after 3.5 years like this used to it. The not walking thing doesn't bug me one bit. Getting a 6 pack of long necks off the top shelf of the grocery does. Why are the bottles up high and the cans down low?
There is some bioelectrical stuff coming out that is promising though. They've been successful at using diodes to bridge a severed spine on 4 different patients with my same injury. That one has me excited.

That's a thought: working with suppliers. three of us off the robotics team vape and I know one of them would be down for doing it just for the fun factor.


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[Anjaffm]

The science says there is a difference but I think at a more basic level the difference comes down to the individual. Some might actually prefer a harsher vape. Some might just not taste those flavors as well. I know my hubby can never taste some of the more subtle nuances in a good wine that I can. I suspect it holds true for vaping as well.

I hear ya.
I am one of the people who are perfectly happy with a nice home-cooked meal. The kind that mom used to make, the kind that I make now. I have tasted high-class very expensive dining - been invited - and it is nice. Yeah. But not something that I would want to eat often. And definitely not something that I would pay for. Because to me, it is not worth it.

My sister, on the other hand, used to enthuse and enthuse about oh-so-delicious food. She cooked some for me. It was nice. But I would have been just as happy with a nice, home-cooked, normal German meal.

There is definitely a difference between individuals. A colleague just told me that she drinks only bottled water such as Volvic or Evian (very expensive). And carbonated water sold in glass bottles (also quite expensive). Because she does not like the taste of the water from the discount stores. I was like "what?". My friends and I, we all drink the water from the discount stores (at 19 cents a big bottle), and we cannot tell any difference at all.

A luxury is only worth the expense if you notice the difference.
And if the difference is big enough and important enough to you that you are willing to spend a lot of money for that difference.

Yes, it most definitely depends on the individual. Like feeding sushi to a meat-and-potatoes man and expecting him to be enthusiastic about it and pick up the tab

 

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But newbs, like myself quite honestly, most of us can't tell if its roasted garlic or fresh. We're not there yet. It takes time and experience which is really hard to get if you're fiddling with your equipment or struggling with a collection of alphabet soup.

Battery, topper, good to go. When I'm teaching, I try to find the simplest setup that will work reliably for the students to start out with, otherwise known as, "Start with blinky". Get something working, reliably, then add to it. In the case of vaping, a battery and a glass topper. (I don't recommend plastic because that's one more thing they have to worry about.)

But yeah, the whole alphabet soup most people throw at beginners is truly frightening. When I started reading it, well, 'next, next, next' oh, ok, there's some English.

bingo My sentiments exactly