I know Dvap. I was just having a little fun with TV. I remember you saying that you were working on cutting your nic level. If you are down to 12mg with little else added then that sound like quite the accomplishment to me. I am still using 24-36mg liquids along with snus and snuff. I am not really concerned with cutting back at this point. For me it's more of whatever it takes to get me thru the day. This could change some day but just not now.