So when are you going to quit that thing ?
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All this talk about quitting just doesn't seem to belong in the newbie forum lol, I came here cuz I haven't even started yet!
The blu cig advertisement introduced me to e-cigs, I ordered one, the thing hasn't even gotten here yet and I already ordered a joye eGo with cartomizers, LR atomizers, a drip tip and a tank lol. I'm wishing I could just tell USPS to send that blu cig back so I don't have to pay to ship it back to them when it gets here.
FYI - there are a ton of web stores for these things so it's hard to pick one to buy from, I ordered my eGo stuff from goodprophets because it was low price, free shipping, and the site is nicely put together. The guy who runs it, Rob, is awesome I think I'll be his customer for a long time.
The blu cig advertisement introduced me to e-cigs, I ordered one, the thing hasn't even gotten here yet and I already ordered a joye eGo with cartomizers, LR atomizers, a drip tip and a tank lol. I'm wishing I could just tell USPS to send that blu cig back so I don't have to pay to ship it back to them when it gets here.
FYI - there are a ton of web stores for these things so it's hard to pick one to buy from, I ordered my eGo stuff from goodprophets because it was low price, free shipping, and the site is nicely put together. The guy who runs it, Rob, is awesome I think I'll be his customer for a long time.
I get that too. My first few DAYS of quitting tobacco and using PV's, some people responded the same..."great! Soooo....maybe you can quit the ecig next?"
Nonsmokers don't realize how discouraging this response is. They don't realize how dependent you have been on tobacco for several years. They can't grasp that tobacco to a smoker is as important as food-you feel like you can't live without it. Terrible thought but true.
Low and behold comes this invention that can be used as a substitute for your old habit.
I look at it this way, I'd rather use a product with significantly less harmful chemicals, no tar and no combustion for the future. Whether that be 4 weeks, 4 months or 40 years, I don't know ATM. BUUUUT, it beats the person who quit tobacco for 4 weeks, 4 months or 40 years that will go BACK to tobacco smoking-worst yet, maybe smoking more than before and at a much older age.
Nonsmokers don't realize how discouraging this response is. They don't realize how dependent you have been on tobacco for several years. They can't grasp that tobacco to a smoker is as important as food-you feel like you can't live without it. Terrible thought but true.
Low and behold comes this invention that can be used as a substitute for your old habit.
I look at it this way, I'd rather use a product with significantly less harmful chemicals, no tar and no combustion for the future. Whether that be 4 weeks, 4 months or 40 years, I don't know ATM. BUUUUT, it beats the person who quit tobacco for 4 weeks, 4 months or 40 years that will go BACK to tobacco smoking-worst yet, maybe smoking more than before and at a much older age.
My husband is the only one hassling me about stopping vaping. Though he hassled me heaps about smoking, now he has a problem with vaping ???!!! Hejust doesn't seem to get it. "When are you going to stop using that thing?" So I told him, I don't plan to stop. I'm on zero nicotine, what's the problem?
Everyone else is intrigued, they all ask "How're you going with the not smoking?" and are amazed when I say I'm still going strong.
Everyone else is intrigued, they all ask "How're you going with the not smoking?" and are amazed when I say I'm still going strong.
My wife asked when I was gonna stop vaping before my first PV even showed up in the mail... My reply was, "I'll just keep smoking cigarettes and we can never have kids or better yet I'll teach our kids how to smoke real cigs at age 5 like that awesome baby in Indonesia." I can vape forever now... lol
My wife had the same issue that most people do, she associated nicotine and tobacco as one and the same. My wife is very intelligent and after explaining it to her I never heard another peep. when I went back to smoking for a few months, now that was a different story.
yea techtony, then when ppl go back---even for just a social puff, then the question goes back to, "hey, why don't you at least use that fake plastic cigarette? ANYthing BUT the tobacco!"
That reminded me.. I get really niggled when peeps call these "fake fags" - I think the cancersticks are the fakes and these are the real deal!
What's weird about this to me is I actually thought about vapor smokes about 15 years ago before I ever heard of them (I'm sure many people had the same thought though). I was standing in the fog smoking and I thought to myself, why can't someone invent nicotine through water vapor instead of smoke. Of course not being a scientist or chemist I had no idea if it was possible, and so I never gave it a second thought.
Being a businesss person, I also see this is a good expression of our free market system and how govt. interference isn't always about Democrat vs. Republican vs. independant or whatever, sometimes it's just about lobbyists vs. reality. I think most people can agree that some govt. agencies are not put together correctly (like the FDA) and regardless of what you think about down-sizing, we certainly need to fix these agencies with too much titled power.
Take our food for instance, the whole Nitrates / Unnatural Foods / Preservatives, now I read about the chemicals they add to food, and I have mixed feelings. For the most part, the evidence isn't real solid either way, but what is solid is that AT LEAST SOME food can also cause cancer (Pancreatic cancer studies appear to show an undeniable EXCESSIVE correlation between Nitrates in meat and cancer - like 60% to 80% increase in occurence of people that eat more Nitrates, and this study has been replicated at more than one university). Now I have no idea if we can get most of the nitrates out of the meat (some of it is natural), but I'd think they'd at least try to work on enforcing safer alternatives to the additives that aren't too costly.
What happens is you can get any industry that gets their dirty hands too deep into something, they know if their is a safer alternative their revenues are threatened, so they'd rather be rich and kill us all (it's easy to look the other way when it comes to money, heck we've all been tempted). So then they get their power struggles within the agencies from lobbyists and what not, then in return we basically get poisoned and any product selection is completely limited or non-existent (or costs 3x more because the bad stuff for us is subsidized).
So you have to ask yourself, WTH is the FDA doing. Despite the nitrates thing (which I believe the only thing it does is make the meat look prettier), I just mean in general they can't ever seem to get it right.
Look at all the diet pills and meds they passed that were later recalled and payouts in the hundreds of millions of dollars in lawsuits. Ummm, recalls on drugs should be fairly rare not an every year occurrence, if they are having to recall stuff because they "just discovered", then we certainly cannot trust their advice on the opposite end of the spectrum. Now I do understand getting RISKY drugs out to the public fast for life threatening or debilitating illness, but come on, they'll approve anything if you got enough lobbyists and people to twist the studies around in your favor. Likewise, just as easily they'll deny anything if it goes against their buddies wallets.
People in power are constantly trying to tilt things to the benefit of their own constituents, the problem is there is a large enough percentage of them that do it without any consideration of others. It's kind of like how we subsidize certain industries, regardless of what you think about subsidies, favoritism is never good in a free-market, this is the perfect example why subsidized favortism never works.
I personally see these companies (at least the good ones) as providing a potentially life-saving device, yet they are under-fire for providing what is almost surely a safer product. All the FDA should be doing is providing a basis of general regulation for the quality of the product, not immediately making statements that are borderline saying "how dangerous these are". Even if they turned out to be dangerous (unlikely), they don't have any info that suggests that yet, so they are obviously jumping the gun for other reasons (lobbyists and pressure from from politicians is my guess).
This experience makes me really see the bad side of our govt., even though their is a good side too.
Being a businesss person, I also see this is a good expression of our free market system and how govt. interference isn't always about Democrat vs. Republican vs. independant or whatever, sometimes it's just about lobbyists vs. reality. I think most people can agree that some govt. agencies are not put together correctly (like the FDA) and regardless of what you think about down-sizing, we certainly need to fix these agencies with too much titled power.
Take our food for instance, the whole Nitrates / Unnatural Foods / Preservatives, now I read about the chemicals they add to food, and I have mixed feelings. For the most part, the evidence isn't real solid either way, but what is solid is that AT LEAST SOME food can also cause cancer (Pancreatic cancer studies appear to show an undeniable EXCESSIVE correlation between Nitrates in meat and cancer - like 60% to 80% increase in occurence of people that eat more Nitrates, and this study has been replicated at more than one university). Now I have no idea if we can get most of the nitrates out of the meat (some of it is natural), but I'd think they'd at least try to work on enforcing safer alternatives to the additives that aren't too costly.
What happens is you can get any industry that gets their dirty hands too deep into something, they know if their is a safer alternative their revenues are threatened, so they'd rather be rich and kill us all (it's easy to look the other way when it comes to money, heck we've all been tempted). So then they get their power struggles within the agencies from lobbyists and what not, then in return we basically get poisoned and any product selection is completely limited or non-existent (or costs 3x more because the bad stuff for us is subsidized).
So you have to ask yourself, WTH is the FDA doing. Despite the nitrates thing (which I believe the only thing it does is make the meat look prettier), I just mean in general they can't ever seem to get it right.
Look at all the diet pills and meds they passed that were later recalled and payouts in the hundreds of millions of dollars in lawsuits. Ummm, recalls on drugs should be fairly rare not an every year occurrence, if they are having to recall stuff because they "just discovered", then we certainly cannot trust their advice on the opposite end of the spectrum. Now I do understand getting RISKY drugs out to the public fast for life threatening or debilitating illness, but come on, they'll approve anything if you got enough lobbyists and people to twist the studies around in your favor. Likewise, just as easily they'll deny anything if it goes against their buddies wallets.
People in power are constantly trying to tilt things to the benefit of their own constituents, the problem is there is a large enough percentage of them that do it without any consideration of others. It's kind of like how we subsidize certain industries, regardless of what you think about subsidies, favoritism is never good in a free-market, this is the perfect example why subsidized favortism never works.
I personally see these companies (at least the good ones) as providing a potentially life-saving device, yet they are under-fire for providing what is almost surely a safer product. All the FDA should be doing is providing a basis of general regulation for the quality of the product, not immediately making statements that are borderline saying "how dangerous these are". Even if they turned out to be dangerous (unlikely), they don't have any info that suggests that yet, so they are obviously jumping the gun for other reasons (lobbyists and pressure from from politicians is my guess).
This experience makes me really see the bad side of our govt., even though their is a good side too.
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I smoked for 23 yrs., I'll think about giving up vaping when I've been doing it as long as I smoked. That gives me 21 1/2 years before anyone is allowed to bother me about it .
I still don't understand what the FDA's problem is. There is lots of research on inhaling Nicotine, 60 years worth of research on inhaling PG, and I've never heard of a candy maker getting sick from inhaling vaporized flavoring. It seems to me that if they've approved all of the ingredients then putting them together in a different combination doesn't change what they are. The entire problem is that Big Pharma and Big Tobacco don't want us to quit. They make a ton of money keeping us on the endless cycle of using Pharma products to help us quit, going back to cigs, and round and round it goes generating money for all of them. Then when it starts to kill you there's more money to be made for them. We decided not to play that game any more, took our ball and went home and they are scrambling to try to get us back. Combine that with the tax money that the government isn't getting from us anymore and you have the perfect storm of resistance.
. I still don't understand what the FDA's problem is. There is lots of research on inhaling Nicotine, 60 years worth of research on inhaling PG, and I've never heard of a candy maker getting sick from inhaling vaporized flavoring. It seems to me that if they've approved all of the ingredients then putting them together in a different combination doesn't change what they are. The entire problem is that Big Pharma and Big Tobacco don't want us to quit. They make a ton of money keeping us on the endless cycle of using Pharma products to help us quit, going back to cigs, and round and round it goes generating money for all of them. Then when it starts to kill you there's more money to be made for them. We decided not to play that game any more, took our ball and went home and they are scrambling to try to get us back. Combine that with the tax money that the government isn't getting from us anymore and you have the perfect storm of resistance.
I bet once the "corpse analysis" cancer-detection technology gets better, we'll dig up thousands of corpses and find out that the cancer rates 100+ years ago were no where near what they are now. I've heard the argument of "better detection" is why we see so much cancer, and some truth to it for sure, but I bet we're going to find out a lot of stuff causes cancer that we had no idea like breathing household cleaning chemicals or spilling it on yourself, eating too many of certain foods --- because they like to add crap in the food to try get us more addicted to it, and food studies are so complicated that most of the time we have no idea what is killing us.
Look at all the crap the FDA let tobacco companies add to cigarrettes, lol, obviously not all those ingredients are necessary.
Look at all the crap the FDA let tobacco companies add to cigarrettes, lol, obviously not all those ingredients are necessary.
My GF is the only one to ask me to "give it a rest, at least for a little while. I can't see the TV for the fog"
Found my perfect wattage / juice combo and can London fog up a room pretty fast.
I'll be giving up vaping when they pry my PV from my cold dead hands.
Found my perfect wattage / juice combo and can London fog up a room pretty fast.
I'll be giving up vaping when they pry my PV from my cold dead hands.
Fairy Washing Up Liquid causes cancer, it's still on the shelves. Yes it's a teeny tiny risk factor but they still tested the .... off it until they found out that it has carcinogens or whatever.
Excuse me for only sticking up one example, but I can't be bothered to type out any more of the hundreds/thousands of products that have been 'proven' to cause cancer in some way or another. Just agree with me they exist.
E-Cigs are a very very low risk factor, we're talking fairy liquid here (if that!), they can pick the .... out of them but they will never find anything serious. They will find SOMETHING to complain about though, whether it be asthmatics and trigger factors, or whatever, but whatever it is will be akin to cat hairs.
When will I put the e-cigs down? I'd like to quote someone above me, when they manage to grapple the pv out of my cold & clammy dying hands, even then with my dying breath I'll be crawling up their trouser leg to bite their bits off.
Love to all!
Agreed, I'm not one of those people that think every single thing that may cause cancer should be banned, my point though is that a lot of those studies are questionable, but there are a few studies (like the Pancreatic cancer one) that are basically undeniable that stuff they add to the meat is the reason for hundreds of thousands of people getting cancer over the years, if not millions of people dying from cancer from the crap they add to the food.
Yah, everything causes cancer to some degree, but somethings have REAL high incident rates and are unnecessary, but the FDA doesn't care about those, they only care about the stuff that threatens the pockets of their corporate orgies.
I guess it is a good reason to buy your meat from the grocery store and not Walmart (it at least has less nitrates added usually even at a regular grocery store). Walmarts meat stays the same color for like a month, if you buy meat from a grocery store it at least goes brown in a couple days (normal).
I tried eating "all natural" meats from whole food type places, but figuring I'm a smoker I figured what's the point, plus the cost is ridiculous, usually though most meat doesn't have TOO much added stuff that's fresh from the regular grocery store.
Yah, everything causes cancer to some degree, but somethings have REAL high incident rates and are unnecessary, but the FDA doesn't care about those, they only care about the stuff that threatens the pockets of their corporate orgies.
I guess it is a good reason to buy your meat from the grocery store and not Walmart (it at least has less nitrates added usually even at a regular grocery store). Walmarts meat stays the same color for like a month, if you buy meat from a grocery store it at least goes brown in a couple days (normal).
I tried eating "all natural" meats from whole food type places, but figuring I'm a smoker I figured what's the point, plus the cost is ridiculous, usually though most meat doesn't have TOO much added stuff that's fresh from the regular grocery store.
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That reminded me.. I get really niggled when peeps call these "fake fags" - I think the cancersticks are the fakes and these are the real deal!
That's hilarious Duncan! Fake fags? LOL!
Yes, I agree, PV's are the real deal. Water vapor is better than smoke!
I'll stop when and if I ever want to stop. Right now, I'd have to say that would be NEVER. Funny and really strange that more people ask me when I'm stopping e cigs more often than anyone did while I was smoking stinkies.
so true! Where were all these people while I was choking on cancersticks? And now they pop up their .... retentive heads to preach about things they know nothing about?? DIE!
Ps I still haven't had an analog since day 1, yay me!
Ps I still haven't had an analog since day 1, yay me!
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