SOBER VAPERS - Vaping Sober - ROLLCALL!

[wacdenney]

Every rehab counselor I have ever seen in action recommended continuing to smoke. The NA meetings and counseling places all have plenty of places for smokers. Get off the drugs and then quit smoking. You guys can play semantic gymnastics with surf all you want, but obviously anyone with any common sense knows that caffeine or nicotine use does not mean you are not sober. I suppose it's possible Surf has never done a real drug, but it's far more likely he's bored and trolling for kicks.

Either way... Anyone who has kicked a tough habit shouldn't let those comments take anything away from your accomplishment. If you want to call yourself sober, then go ahead. 99.9% of people agree with you and if someone wants question your sobriety, .... em! It's none of their business anyway.

 

[bassnut]

Well bassnut, I was speaking about vapor use when in a state of withdrawal. I can explain it if you'd like.
When an addict quits his or her drug of choice, the brain loses the synthetically released endorphins.

Are you perhaps confusing Endorphins (endolphins ) with Dopamine and Serotonin?

 

[zoiDman]

Doesn't seem to have a whole lot of serenity here. . .
Been trudging the road since 2/19/89, one day at a time.
Congrats to my fellow trudgers.

Yeah... I hear you on the Serenity Thing. Oh Well.

Right on about Trudging that Happy Road. It's all about Unity, Service and Recovery.

 

[bassnut]

Ditto. Congrats keithu2.
"Easy Does It" - that's why this thread is misplaced.
This is the Outside Forum. It feeds on controversy.
It ain't easy here.

BTW. My name is bassnut and I'm an alcoholic who continues to drink.
I also like AA meetings though I haven't been to one in quite awhile.
I enjoy them but I've never made any sort of commitment.
I have yet to hit bottom but I have seen it looming up on several occasions.
I'll be 60 in March.

 

[bassnut]

Horse is the same. It takes effort to get past the "makes you sick" stage.

The difference is that when you get sick you don't care.
It's all fine...
I can still remember first putting that chewing tobacco in my mouth and experiencing my salivary glands working triple time to expel it... and then the wave of nausea that spoke loudly from my body and mind "This is poison!"
Not that I listened to it when it came to smoking.
I've had experience smoking the other in northern Thailand on several occasions and I know of what I speak.
I'll probably get gigged for this.... again.
It's just relevant to the conversation.

 

[Plumes.91]

Are you perhaps confusing Endorphins (endolphins ) with Dopamine and Serotonin?

Uhh I guess that depends on which part of my wall of text you were reading lol. But I don't think I meant dopamine and serotonin for the segment that you quoted. My DOC was opiates. My DOC is quite literally alien endorphin.

 

[bassnut]

Uhh I guess that depends on which part of my wall of text you were reading lol. But I don't think I meant dopamine and serotonin for the segment that you quoted. My DOC was opiates. My DOC is quite literally alien endorphin.

So I take it you're a muscle bound gym rat now?
Tina Turners sax player from Private Dancer....Tim Cappello
That's endorphin therapy.
He punished himself in the gym for his addiction.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Every rehab counselor I have ever seen in action recommended continuing to smoke. The NA meetings and counseling places all have plenty of places for smokers. Get off the drugs and then quit smoking. You guys can play semantic gymnastics with surf all you want, but obviously anyone with any common sense knows that caffeine or nicotine use does not mean you are not sober. I suppose it's possible Surf has never done a real drug, but it's far more likely he's bored and trolling for kicks.

Either way... Anyone who has kicked a tough habit shouldn't let those comments take anything away from your accomplishment. If you want to call yourself sober, then go ahead. 99.9% of people agree with you and if someone wants question your sobriety, .... em! It's none of their business anyway.

I'm willing to bet that my experience with drugs is more extensive than the vast majority of people here.

While it's true that quitting one thing at a time is the best methodology, that fact doesn't rebut my statements. In fact, your wording above illustrates my point. You're seeking to classify nicotine differently than every other drug. That's nonsense. Nicotine is no different from any other drug that people get addicted to.

 

[Surf Monkey]

The difference is that when you get sick you don't care.
It's all fine...

Speak for yourself, brother.

Nicotine is hard to get addicted to. You have to get through the dizzy, vomiting, want to die phase before you get to the euphoric, can't live without it phase. But the euphoric phase comes soon enough. Furthermore, I'd suggest that for many getting addicted to alcohol is a similar process. For me it was hell the first few times I got drunk. Thought I was going to die. Threw up a lot. Horrible bed spins. Hangovers that dwarf anything I've experienced since...

So, again, there really are no qualities that make nicotine different from any other psychoactive drug. Drawing lines between it and the others is a huge mistake.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Actually its producing more conversation than I had hoped for so I'm pretty happy with it so far. & you Outsider regulars are creating a pretty interesting start to my thread for anyone thats in recovery. & the philosophical question of what sobriety is seems fitting enough. & I think the Outside may be the right spot. Either here, or Health and Wellness, we'll see where the moderators want it.

I want to welcome Keithu2 to the group. Please come back and check in man. 1989 huh? Good man. I've been technically clean from my DOC for 4 months now. I'm currently in sub treatment and finally doing well after two years of bull....ting my crooked doctor. Yesterday was the 1st screw up I've had in 4 months. I cleaned the house and found something. I needed to talk to someone but I've got no one to talk to. It was 8am, everyone was asleep. I spent an hour and a half contemplating flushing it.

So I made this thread. Your all welcome here. Every single one of you. Outsiders. Recovering addicts, struggling addicts, anyone that needs or wants to talk to others that have gone through it or are going through it.

You rock. I think I'm in love with your post. For reals.

 

[quiter]

I'm willing to bet that my experience with drugs is more extensive than the vast majority of people here.

While it's true that quitting one thing at a time is the best methodology, that fact doesn't rebut my statements. In fact, your wording above illustrates my point. You're seeking to classify nicotine differently than every other drug. That's nonsense. Nicotine is no different from any other drug that people get addicted to.

I agree that is nonsense. If you have had half the experience with drugs as you claim you would never have made that statement. Yes it's a drug, yes it's addictive, very addictive, no it's not like being addicted to "other drugs". Honestly why do you come on this site and say such completely ridiculous things?

Actually I take it back you would probably make that same statement regardless because you are not really being serious. I believe it's like others have already stated you are just trolling this thread.

Are people going to die going cold turkey from Nicotine? Nope therefore it is in fact "different than other drugs that people get addicted to" so case close and you are wrong. You lose. How many people have Overdosed and died from an e-cig surf? Exactly zero. So yes it's very different. How many people have gotten intoxicated on e-cigs and it impaired them to the point where they killed somebody while behind the wheel? Zero so they are not the same thing.

Honestly why do you act like this?

 

[Surf Monkey]

Actually surf is claiming that e-cigs are intoxicating and I don't think anyone would claim they are. Addictive yes a drug yes but not an intoxicant.

Really?

You're dead wrong about that. Dead. Wrong.

Think about that first smoke of the day. You can feel it in your blood. Your heart rate speeds up. You get a blast of endorphins. Your mood gets better. Those are all features of intoxication and they're all coming from the nicotine. Unless you're vaping 0% nic liquid you're experiencing the exact same physiological effects when you vape because the active ingredient is the same: nicotine. If you don't get the blast that smoking gives you that's easily explained. You absorb a LOT less nicotine from vapor than smoke. But don't delude yourself into thinking that PVs don't intoxicate. They do. They're a drug delivery device.

 

[Zak Rabbit]

I'm willing to bet that my experience with drugs is more extensive than the vast majority of people here.

While it's true that quitting one thing at a time is the best methodology, that fact doesn't rebut my statements. In fact, your wording above illustrates my point. You're seeking to classify nicotine differently than every other drug. That's nonsense. Nicotine is no different from any other drug that people get addicted to.

So, you're of the opinion that nicotine and caffeine impair judgement?
Do you believe that if I give up vaping and caffeine, that I'm still not sober if I continue to take my Cymbalta which is mood altering? How about Carmex lip balm? There are addictive substances in that. Where are we to draw the line by your reasoning?

Sent via the guys that made Star Trek low tech.

 

[Plumes.91]

If your just joining us here on the last page, don't be shy!! If your a vaper thats currently living a clean and sober life, then by all means please stop in and say hello. I'd love to meet you! Please introduce yourself. This is a place to be free, think free, and post free, for those of us that are living the sober life and vaping. This is a place to be free and think free & post free for those of us that are truly trying our best to stay clean and sober. I really would like to see some more members posting in here so please stop in. I know that I could really use someone to talk to in a PM at some point, no pressure.

Basically this thread is an open thread for those of us whom are trying to either live clean from their DOC, or for those of us whom are choosing to live completely free from the chains of addiction. This is a social thread, we can talk about anything we'd like as long as it does not violate ECF rules and guidelines. So please come in and tell us how your day went.

 

[quiter]

Really?

You're dead wrong about that. Dead. Wrong.

Think about that first smoke of the day. You can feel it in your blood. Your heart rate speeds up. You get a blast of endorphins. Your mood gets better. Those are all features of intoxication and they're all coming from the nicotine. Unless you're vaping 0% nic liquid you're experiencing the exact same physiological effects when you vape because the active ingredient is the same: nicotine. If you don't get the blast that smoking gives you that's easily explained. You absorb a LOT less nicotine from vapor than smoke. But don't delude yourself into thinking that PVs don't intoxicate. They do. They're a drug delivery device.

You are correct that it's considered an intoxicant but on the level of next to zero and aren't you the one who argues that everything is relative to the scope? Intoxicate like coffee or chocolate big deal. It's not the same thing as getting drunk or high and you and everyone else here knows it. It doesn't impair you the way that hard drugs do and everyone here knows it.

So you can try and be technically correct all you want you are still wrong on a legal definition you are not intoxicated from them in the legal sense. Has anyone ever gotten a ticket for Operating While Intoxicated from e-cigs or cigs? Nope and there is a reason it's not considered to be legally intoxicating and that is why your assertion that there is no difference is BS. You know it I know it and so does everyone else who reads this.

"That's nonsense. Nicotine is no different from any other drug that people get addicted to." Complete and total BS.

 

[bassnut]

Speak for yourself, brother.

You didn't get my meaning.
You apparently haven't had that particular experience.
Please review and read carefully.

ETA
That's another problem with this thread.
Substances can't be talked about openly here because of ECF rules.
They are good rules because of the purpose of ECF but are nevertheless restrictive to certain unhampered discussions regarding certain experiences and addictions.

 

[zoiDman]

So, you're of the opinion that nicotine and caffeine impair judgement?
Do you believe that if I give up vaping and caffeine, that I'm still not sober if I continue to take my Cymbalta which is mood altering? How about Carmex lip balm? There are addictive substances in that. Where are we to draw the line by your training?

Sent via the guys that made Star Trek low tech.

I think what happens sometimes is that People use a Strict, Dictionary Definition of things they have No Real World Experience in.

 

[zoiDman]

Wow... Check out the Time Stamps of Posts #76 and #77.

LOL

 

[quiter]

So, you're of the opinion that nicotine and caffeine impair judgement?
Do you believe that if I give up vaping and caffeine, that I'm still not sober if I continue to take my Cymbalta which is mood altering? How about Carmex lip balm? There are addictive substances in that. Where are we to draw the line by your training?

Sent via the guys that made Star Trek low tech.

Apparently he is all for absolutes only when it serves his purpose. Technically it's an intoxicant but you are 100% correct that most people consider you sober if you are just smoking cigarettes or e-cigs and that is what this thread is about "Sober" so when he uses the word intoxicated in regards to sober he is just being obnoxious. He also insists it's "no different than other drugs" still he knows better and is just being obnoxious. I have come to the conclusion that he enjoys being obnoxious and disrupting threads.

 

[windy33]

Hi Zak nice to see you!