Someone knows how to make friends.

[trog100]

i would also add rightly or wrongly i have been on the sharp end of plenty of charactor assassinations on this place..

the last time i even ask joe to close thread.. he refused which was in essence condoning the said character assassination... and giving those involved the green light to go ahead..

double standards and hypocrites in plenty inhabit this place..

its always been okay when i have been on the receiving end.. he he..

but life is how it is.. so are people..

personally whenever i use the word f-cking its an alternative to shouting.. over the heads of most but not all..

bad threads should get closed.. mods should it... end of story..

trog

 

[Terraphon]

My GOD, trog, if you dislike this place so much, LEAVE.

 

[Darkest]

Wow, well then, I see. Ehem. I wasn't aware this was such an issue and I guess I can see the need for transparency in relation to reviews when you are planning on or selling a product.

Now that this is clear to me I'll get it out right now, if there is any way in hell I can pull it off I'm gonna have a e-cig store one day too. I think that would be awesome and it's something I really want.

What I can't figure out is what the point is right now with the market the way it is to be downing the other guy if you have a business. It's not like these are a hard sell. Look at Steve, good service and good product and he is making the sales, I don't see him cutting anyone or their product down. Just an observation

PS: No affiliation with Steve, LOL

 

[Grandma Cas]

Well, imo what we have here folks, is an outstanding marketing ploy. The person concerned has gotten a vast amount of publicity from this forum via caring members who only want to keep the forum unbiased & honest.

The half truths & answer avoidance is all that kept this & other threads going for so long. It seems the quote “All publicity is good publicity” was right.8-o Very clever

 

[CandyGirl]

My GOD, trog, if you dislike this place so much, LEAVE.

that'll never happen. Terraphon.
he, he cant stay away he, he

 

[igetcha]

Sure, bro...I don't blame you. I know this was a major issue of contention for a lot of people.

Just figured I'd cover it.

did Parked mention that he recieved 3 different EVO's in total?


and in my opinion, the original 2 hole atomisers which were used when the evo 1st came out were far superior than the new 4 hole ones.

(compare my review for the original evo with 2 hole atomiser to the newer review of the black evo with 4 hole atomiser)

 

[igetcha]

Oh for goodness sakes, there's no conspiracy. People had their say, the guy responded, a forum member spoke to him on the phone, the issue is dealt with. People can make their own minds up.

The issue is over, and yes, there was character assassination - the guy was called a conman with absolutely no evidence to show that this was the case.

As for commercialisation - well, yes, the forum now has sponsors - partly to cover my rather large exposure in all this - I'm contracted in to the server arrangements for at least a year at an enourmous monthly cost to keep the forum running. it could all go belly up at any time for all of us, but from my personal point of view, it could bankrupt me.

As to protecting the interests of the sponsors - no, absolutely not true. I would protect anyone from these kinds of accusations, whether sponsor, member or non-sponsoring supplier.

not a single mod came to my aid when i was forced to endure about 2 months of constant abuse for being accused of working for intellicig.

steve (the mod) even told me himself that he "knew" i didnt work for them. people respect him and a simple reply or post from him to defend me would have stopped all the hassle i had to put up with.

 

[cosican]

Yes I am new to this site, Yes I have been vaping for a while, Yes, I own products from almost every supplier in China, UK and the US
I do not comment very often and I would never shoot down a product or a supplier ( except Smoklng Everywhere) cos they just take advantage of the newbie and the product just ain't there
I would like to state to the many that need to be challenging and difficult to our members, who are in business or who want to go into business, that it is okay, certainly here in the states, to want to be successful and attempt to provide a product that there is a demand, especially a HUGE demand as our E cigs

I bow down to Trog, Steve, Nathan Wayne, Parker, Dusty, all who have worked their tails off to provide us with what we want and now NEED
Am I sucking up, Hell ya. however, I have benefited from their efforts and plan to continue to do so

I do not believe that they sell products, just to sell, I am confident they sell what they believe, is the best, for them. Items they like and have had a good experience with.
I have not been disapointed in any one of my transactions or any one of the dozens and dozens of cigs I have purchased, nor the juices. If it does not work for me I do not buy it again. ......Period
For the older members to rant and rave about other members, is so High School Let people do as they please. if you do not approve, do not buy from them, but to trash anyone and attack and attempt to blacklist
is not what this forum, should be about

I have learned a lot and have enjoyed many of the comments and especially enjoy the new members yearning for information
Looking back to the very early days of this forum it was healthy, sincere and relevant. It would be great if we all come together, cos we need each other now. more than ever
The more United we are, the more difficult it will be to shut us down

 

[surbitonPete]

not a single mod came to my aid when i was forced to endure about 2 months of constant abuse for being accused of working for intellicig.

steve (the mod) even told me himself that he "knew" i didnt work for them. people respect him and a simple reply or post from him to defend me would have stopped all the hassle i had to put up with.

Hey igetcha.....but you didn't have anything to hide and you defended yourself well to all the accusations....although I guess it wasn't much fun for you at the time.....I think it was good that it was all out in the open..far better than if it had been modded so that everyone was left with doubts.....you have far more street cred now mate.....lol.

 

[Oliver]

doing your own bit of character assignation here aint we joe.. he he

i aint entirely sure the words quoted were my exact words and they are probably out of context..

if i said this place has now gone commercial.. i meant just that.. its no longer just a hobby as you claimed it to be.. its now become a commercial concern..

when a forum gets as busy as this place it has to happen or shut down...

if i say anything that aint postive about this place is cos i think its the case.. this can be as much about the member as the management..

i also have no desire to bring this place down... jeesh.. my own server could have been brought to its knees sheltering your lost bloody souls.. the last time this place entirely predictably went down..

and there was one or two that wanted my help to take over from you joe.. i declined the f-cking offers..

do i get thanks.. jeesh.. no i f-cking dont i just get slagged by you..

come one dude.. dont accuse me of what i aint guilty of please..

I run my own forum as a support for my customers.. thats it.. i certainly dont want a place like this.. when a forum gets as busy as this one the fun stops and keeping it going becomes work..

you also need more than two moderators... just to stop sh-t like this happening as it often will as the place gets busier..

nuff said on my part..

trog

ps.... threads that go bad are simply closed.. if another one gets started a warning is given and that gets closed.. its what mods do joe.. not be every bodies friend.. big means all the nice informal stuff has to go.. mods are policemen.. being one of the lads and a policeman at the same time sadly aint possible..

Ok ok, I mis-spoke, and thank you for having the members when we went down. Your name came into the issue and I lost my temper

BTW: "Doing down" I said, not "bring down" - the distinction's fine but important.

Yes, moderation needs to be ramped up a bit. We'll see how we go with the 2 new mods, but I still want a light touch.

SJ

 

[Oliver]

i would also add rightly or wrongly i have been on the sharp end of plenty of charactor assassinations on this place..

the last time i even ask joe to close thread.. he refused which was in essence condoning the said character assassination... and giving those involved the green light to go ahead..

double standards and hypocrites in plenty inhabit this place..

its always been okay when i have been on the receiving end.. he he..

but life is how it is.. so are people..

personally whenever i use the word f-cking its an alternative to shouting.. over the heads of most but not all..

bad threads should get closed.. mods should it... end of story..

trog

Well I don't remember you being defamed. Can I make it clear that this is the distinction?

If the libelling hadn't taken place, I wouldn't have become involved. Also, hypocrisy is a bit unfair - how's about living and learning?

If someone came on now and called you a conman, and I left it up, sure that'd be hypocrisy.

Catcha later....

 

[Kate]

Ha.

Twisty twisty.

What about corruption on the boards? You going to ban me for saying that's possible?

 

[Oliver]

No Kate. I've made it pretty clear that I will ban you for defamation.

You can say it's possible that this forum's controlled by secret conglomerate of pharma-bacco-mega-corps for all I care.

It'd be annoying, but I wouldn't ban you.

Now twist off.

 

[radiokaos]

Just playing devils advocate here so don't flame me.

I can see where SJ is coming from in terms of being liable for defamation.

However would a negative review on a product or service be considered the same thing?

I don't have any issues with any of the suppliers out there and I only hope to see a cohesive community.

 

[ApOsTle51]

Ok here's my twist.

In my opinion I'm 95% sure that Parked is a con man.

Actions speak louder than words and I can see who's been protected from the truth and who hasn't been protected from corruption.

La la la .... twisting off ... because the big cheeze told me to and I always do what I'm told.

Oh man , Kate c'mon
This forum isn't a pedastal for free speech , it's a privatley owned forum and what the owner says ...goes... it really is that simple, even I realise that.
I've not seen you get your teeth into an issues as much as this one even with all the fun and games with trog in the past.

You have made your opinion known on the situation and of Parked and it's had more than enough forum coverage now to let those involved make their own minds up.

It isn't gonna affect new users because the reviews are out of the public forums now. I admire your persistence as always but you not being able to post here isnt gonna help you and certainly won't help the members.

 

[Walrus]

Con man might be a bit strong. I've received two of my orders from him very quickly, and he provides a good service.

Con man brings to mind someone trying to cheat you out of your money, and that's not what he's doing.

Stealth marketing? Sure. Unethical reviews? Maybe. But his product stands up, and he delivers as promised.

Compare to the stereotypical vacuum cleaner salesman... just because he may be over-enthusiastic about making a sale doesn't mean the product isn't any good.

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

It's time to let this die. I see where it's going and I don't want it to get there...

Emp

 

[radiokaos]

Con man might be a bit strong. I've received two of my orders from him very quickly, and he provides a good service.

Con man brings to mind someone trying to cheat you out of your money, and that's not what he's doing.

Stealth marketing? Sure. Unethical reviews? Maybe. But his product stands up, and he delivers as promised.

Compare to the stereotypical vacuum cleaner salesman... just because he may be over-enthusiastic about making a sale doesn't mean the product isn't any good.

Be careful Walrus, I think the forum actually has a vacuum cleaner salesperson. I think they sold Rainbow Vacuum's.

 

[Walrus]

Be careful Walrus, I think the forum actually has a vacuum cleaner salesperson. I think they sold Rainbow Vacuum's.

Rita is a good friend of mine outside of the forums... I can take what she's got to deal out!

And notice... I said stereotypical. There's nothing about Rita that fits that bill!

 

[Kate]

Make no mistake Apo, Smokey Joe is as dispensable to me as I am to him.

If he tries to make me look bad again I won't give a damn if what I say makes him ban me.

Anyway, this is all hot air, the facts of the case are clear. I think transparency is hard to find around here and you have to expect a good kicking for trying to get it.