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I am loathe to add to this thread that never ends...but one thought I had that would refute the claims that have been made against Parked's character and intentions is - if he was planning to go into business to sell e-cigs, why wouldn't he just create a separate user ID for his planted biased reviews and then highly recommend himself as a supplier? If he really was going to be underhanded and devious and intentionally lead people away from his competitors and towards his own business, this method would have made much more sense. He is obviously a brilliant mind with an entrepreneurial spirit. However, if he were really trying to mislead people or misrepresent himself he could have done it another way and we never would have seen his duplicity or doubted him. He did his reviews, as him, what you see is what you get from him. He may like something that I dislike and that's because everybody has different preferences. His reviews were "parked" (ha ha, I made a funny) in the wrong place. That situation has been remedied. If he was trying to pull one over on us, he could have but he didn't.
It's a bummer that Kate's gone, but SJ had no choice after he threw down the gauntlet. He shouldn't have let Kate make a liar out of him. Sometimes, you have to listen to the authorities. When you don't, you go to jail. Actions have consequences. Such a shame this whole thing went down this way, but it could have had a different ending if Kate had chosen to reign herself in. Oh well. Sure she knew a lot and sure she contributed positively to this forum but ultimately the choice was up to her to let it go, straighten up and fly right or hit the door. She made her bed. I support SJ's decision and actions on this case 100%.
It's a bummer that Kate's gone, but SJ had no choice after he threw down the gauntlet. He shouldn't have let Kate make a liar out of him. Sometimes, you have to listen to the authorities. When you don't, you go to jail. Actions have consequences. Such a shame this whole thing went down this way, but it could have had a different ending if Kate had chosen to reign herself in. Oh well. Sure she knew a lot and sure she contributed positively to this forum but ultimately the choice was up to her to let it go, straighten up and fly right or hit the door. She made her bed. I support SJ's decision and actions on this case 100%.
Crikey - the cat's out of the bag!
But seriously it's more a case of "you say what you want to - within the rules". That's normally what's meant by free speech, not some kind of verbal anarchy.
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Exactly... there are limits to 'free speech' even in our "Constitutionally" guaranteed society. The most often cited example: You can't yell "FIRE" in a crowded movie theater (unless there is a fire, of course).
In our 'society,' we are subject to the forum rules which, like it or not, are determined by SJ and enforced by the mods.
We live by them, or are separated from society.
seriously guys and gals.. this thread has gotten more attention than it ever deserved... we should really just kill it and maybe move on to other things...
i miss kate.. kate was the very first person i befriended on here.. and her loss is very badly felt by ALOT of us.. but seriously.. she knew it was coming.. she egged it on.. but here's the REAL problem i have...
would she have continued if WE hadn't egged her on to take it to the next level???.. we all saw what was coming.. maybe you put blinders on thinking "nah.. it'll never come to that". but that's on YOU if you did..
i saw it.. KNEW it was coming.. been moping around here for 3-4 days now with the solid knowledge that this was going to end BADLY.. and everyone who cheered it on is even MORE guilty than SJ for the ban.. this subject should have been left to JUST the parties involved a loooooooooong time ago.. but instead we chose to throw our two cents in and egged it on.. i'm not throwing my guilt at anyone.. i egged it on myself at the beginning... but then i stopped.. because i saw where it was headed and the LAST thing i wanted was Kate gone..
the ban was not politically motivated.. when a forum admin throws the threat out there (which SJ was forced to do) there is NO TURNING BACK..
was SJ suppossed to just warn then ignore the fact that it went unheeded?? hell no.. that would have led to the next person doing it.. then the next.. so on and so on and scooby dooby dooby.. sadly.. parked did the best job of trying to avoid this.. in his NOT answering he was at least trying to not stir the pot any more than it had been.. i'm far from saying we didn't deserve answers.. so don't get that wrong.. but it became obvious we'd gotten what we were going to get and nothing more..
i REALLY hope Kate comes back.. we've lost ONE of the most valuable members of our community.. but overall.. while you're stewing in your anger over it.. and your saddened by it all.. maybe you should look in the mirror and decide if you had a part in egging it on.. and then please... MOVE ON.. Kate wouldn't want it to destroy what we have here
PS: trog is full-on correct.. what is said and kept on ANY forum is the sole discretion of the admin.. while we are having relatively free speech.. and SJ really is damn good at keeping it that way.. we are ALL subject to his whim and desire.. and what he feels is obligation for the good of the community is the rule of law here..
can we bury the dead horse now... the beatings are only bringing out more of the decayed stench
i miss kate.. kate was the very first person i befriended on here.. and her loss is very badly felt by ALOT of us.. but seriously.. she knew it was coming.. she egged it on.. but here's the REAL problem i have...
would she have continued if WE hadn't egged her on to take it to the next level???.. we all saw what was coming.. maybe you put blinders on thinking "nah.. it'll never come to that". but that's on YOU if you did..
i saw it.. KNEW it was coming.. been moping around here for 3-4 days now with the solid knowledge that this was going to end BADLY.. and everyone who cheered it on is even MORE guilty than SJ for the ban.. this subject should have been left to JUST the parties involved a loooooooooong time ago.. but instead we chose to throw our two cents in and egged it on.. i'm not throwing my guilt at anyone.. i egged it on myself at the beginning... but then i stopped.. because i saw where it was headed and the LAST thing i wanted was Kate gone..
the ban was not politically motivated.. when a forum admin throws the threat out there (which SJ was forced to do) there is NO TURNING BACK..
was SJ suppossed to just warn then ignore the fact that it went unheeded?? hell no.. that would have led to the next person doing it.. then the next.. so on and so on and scooby dooby dooby.. sadly.. parked did the best job of trying to avoid this.. in his NOT answering he was at least trying to not stir the pot any more than it had been.. i'm far from saying we didn't deserve answers.. so don't get that wrong.. but it became obvious we'd gotten what we were going to get and nothing more..
i REALLY hope Kate comes back.. we've lost ONE of the most valuable members of our community.. but overall.. while you're stewing in your anger over it.. and your saddened by it all.. maybe you should look in the mirror and decide if you had a part in egging it on.. and then please... MOVE ON.. Kate wouldn't want it to destroy what we have here
PS: trog is full-on correct.. what is said and kept on ANY forum is the sole discretion of the admin.. while we are having relatively free speech.. and SJ really is damn good at keeping it that way.. we are ALL subject to his whim and desire.. and what he feels is obligation for the good of the community is the rule of law here..
can we bury the dead horse now... the beatings are only bringing out more of the decayed stench
I really don't think any forum owner has been held responsible and had to pay restitution or a fine for a member's actions. Please find a link with that case, because my Google-Fu has come up empty.
There is no need for a "subsequent case law to reverse" because there is no law on the books and there is no precedent. This crazy fear of getting sued is preposterous. So there is no need for any forum owner to fear the "expense to prove it" and it could never get that far. This is the internet, lady. I find it hard to believe you run a forum and do no understand the basic tenets of the law concerning internet users and "real life" libel. I feel sorry for your forum members, tbh.
I get the sense that a lot of people are going to miss Kate. Personally, I didn't like her, I didn't know her. But I did feel that her posts were incredibly helpful though. I question the action of her getting banned for questioning (same questions that others had) the tactics of another member who happens to be a supplier, out of fear of the forum getting sued.
If SJ wanted to ban her for being a ******, then so be it but I don't want people to think he did it because "He had to, or ECF would get sued!". I really think such a mindset would be damaging to the community, not to mention silly.
Perhaps I'm new enough here where I don't have a biased mindset or have an urge to be biased. Or well, a lack of motivation to cheerlead the banning of one of the most resourceful, active and helpful members of this community. From where I stand, it just looks like she got thrown under the bus.
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he he.. no it isnt its the opposite of free speech.. how on earth can only being allowed to say what the "rules" say you can say be considered free speech..
free speech really is verbal anarchy which is why it can never be...
the best or worse that can be hoped for depending on your viewpoint is looser controls..
but the concept of free speech is only a dream.. best we stop pretending its anything other than that.. the people that think they want it would be the first to complain if they really got it... he he he
best of luck with your new job pipeman.. it wont be easy.. he he..
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Maybe I'm a bit slow... why was SJ forced to threaten to ban Kate??
well isnt :
the same as
just worded differently....you can't say what you want to say if it's against the rules because the rules state your not allowed to say whatever it is you want to say because it breaches the rules.
whoa ..now i'm confused
the same as
just worded differently....you can't say what you want to say if it's against the rules because the rules state your not allowed to say whatever it is you want to say because it breaches the rules.
whoa ..now i'm confused
Bizzy, inappropriate language in your post #169. Please go back and change it.
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There is not much to say,about it. I really hate that all of this happen.
Kate will be missed for sure. Hopefully,she will allowed to come back
if she wants too. She is very helpful to all the newbie here's that for sure.
Kate will be missed for sure. Hopefully,she will allowed to come back
if she wants too. She is very helpful to all the newbie here's that for sure.
because being a mod on a differnt forum currently.. and being the founder of a couple irc chat channels.. when someone continues behaviour that the founder/admin/moderator has warned about.. there becomes no choice but to enforce the rules one has already laid out
There was a script distributed in that case that was causing real damages... Here, we're talking about a member who is accusing another member here about being shady.
Two totally different situations! That case doesn't apply here for two reasons. One, this site isn't based in Germany, and secondly, because the script causing direct damages was doing just that, it was physically disrupting sites in denial-of-service attacks.
ppsssstt...Lu , your a mod now ..you can do that ya know
Yes, but I'd like her (?) to do it herself so she knows for the next time. Otherwise, she'll have to be warned. Hmph!
So let's try it one more time
Lu
Hey Bizzy, inappropriate language in your post #169. Please go back and change it.
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