Stainless Steel mesh, Oxide discussion.

[100%VG]

A couple of points on platinum mesh:

1. I doubt most of us could afford it 25 mm X 25 mm "sheet" is $205.00; and
2. The "mesh" is in fact "gauze" 65% open I guess we'd be vaping yogourt.

Thanks for the reply, ProjectGuy,

I figured it would be Crazy Expensive, but I searched the whole ECF Forum for Platinum Mesh, and the the things I listed came up. So it would seem that others are at least talking about them, if not already trying them. The Quest for the Perfect vape!!!

But this stuff still gives me the Willies. I'm reading about http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/362729-ceramic-coated-coil-2.html right now, and all this talk about Ceramics makes me nuts. One person says it's OK, and everyone else chimes in saying, Well, what about This? ..Did you consider That? ..I'd rather be in a small cage with a Viper than vape on it! and stuff like that.

This Ceramic Coated Wick thing is to help prevent Shorts (Burrrrrrrrr, gives me Chills), but honestly, it seems to me, for the amount of time and money one spends in that kind of preparation, one would be better off fiddling around in more traditional methods, like Petar K's non-oxidized mesh, and maybe don't even do the Juice Burn, if you're that concerned about it. I'm sure the OP (Ulmer) will chime in on my statement here, but that's OK too. I don't have to like it, and he doesn't have to like me not liking it. Use it if you will.

I'm just sayin', where does it all end? There has to be a better, simpler, safer way, than all these extremes.

In the Navy, they taught us KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid. I'm not really calling anyone Stupid here, but it's no longer Simple, either.

If you're having trouble with Shorts, then wrap the SS Mesh with Cotton Batten, or Cotton Thread, not Ceramics, or Porcelain, or Fiberglass, or more Silica in Silica Tubes. Silica (and Fiberglass) is why people turned to SS Mesh in the first place.

OK, I've derailed this thread enough. Thanks for the reply, and have a great day.

 

[Ulmer]

Is it possible to somehow put the layer of aluminum oxide to work at insulating from SS mesh?

People, who annealed Kanthal wire in a muffle furnace for a long time, say that the wire can be used without oxidation of SS mesh.

 

[gdeal]

Boden

Everyone just wants answers, and unfortunately, it sucks being you right now.


Has anyone thought to offer Financial Aid? ...As I'm sure Boden would likely Never Ask.

Yes you are right on your first statement.

If we can get some agreement here on what to test, I would be glad to help out with a contribution or even fund a test myself.

 

[Hello World]

I fill my tank with approx. .2 ml of PG with any new wick, and let it wet-burn away until it's all gone before I vape anything from it. I suspect the worst happens at the beginning. It's also the way I clean my tanks and wicks every time before I fill it, removing all the burned/discolored juice from it so it doesn't potentially taint the taste of the next fill or different juice I will be using.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

The results of wicks torched at various temperatures would be really interested, but perhaps most relevant to us would be wicks that are baked in the oven alla Boden at 600F, wicks that are juice burned, 'purely' unoxidized wicks, and unoxidized wicks after dry burning (the latter not so much, as with a petar K set up we can just pull the wick out if we desire to dry burn anything)

Because if those turn out to be sketchy, I suspect many of us would jump ship from the SS mesh train without further ado. If those turn out to be fine, than the solution here is to just stop with the torching entirely.

Would of course make learning genesis incredibly hard for newcomers though.

I for one will not be purchasing one of those meters, but will do my best to contribute something financially for testing so long as I have full knowledge of the testers, materials, methods etc. I will ask the the clinical chemists in the hospital if they can be of any help here in a few weeks when I'm back in the labs, though I wouldn't be surprised if medical chemistry is ill equipped to pursue this course of testing. I'm currently wracking my brain trying to recall if one of my professors from years ago on the undergrad campus would be approachable on the subject.

 

[pmos69]

If you have experience with Platinum Mesh, especially as applied to E-Cigs as a Wick, then maybe you should start a New Thread.

Carbon Platinum Mesh, Titanium Tungsten Mesh, Chrome Mesh... did I miss anything? This is pretty Meshed Up.

Depleted Uranium Mesh (for that nice "glow-in-the dark" effect), Asbesto Mesh, ...

Just kidding.

 

[rotohammer]

I mention Platinum because it doesn't oxidize, just like like Gold, Palladium and Titanium. A quick search turned up the Titanium and Platinum meshes, but I haven't found Gold or Palladium mesh yet.

 

[Bmays]

I coated mine with high temp stove paint yesterday and today I've felt terrible.
View attachment 177797JK

 

[pmos69]

I coated mine with high temp stove paint yesterday and today I've felt terrible.
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Don't worry. You don't look any different than before.

 

[Bmays]

Don't worry. You don't look any different than before.

No, I said I "felt" terrible. You makin fun of me? lol

 

[100%VG]

I coated mine with high temp stove paint yesterday and today I've felt terrible.
View attachment 177797JK

I don't know how you looked before, but it looks like you coated your Coil...,
and then dried it in the High Temp Oven...,
with the Atomizer in your Mouth.

Good one, Bmays and pmos69... We need a little humor to break up the seriousness.

 

[Boden]

Thanks y'all for the levity, It was getting a little tense in here. Definitely my fault.

I agree with the above statements stating that keeping the heat on the low side (not glowing) is the way to go.

There was a post a page back or so that was asking about my initial test. It was a proof of concept test. Not really applicable to what people are doing here. I did use the word "trace" which was the wrong word to use. The amounts of oxide I put into the distilled water was way above the amount produced normally by a single wick.

Sincerely,
Boden

P.s. If you want to have a sample tested PM me and I will give you the contact information at the lab. It's 50$ a sample and they can do Total CR or CRVI testing.

 

[boneshark187]

ok, just being to the point...did any sample come back positive for Chromium VI?

Or...are we just speculating?

Maybe I'm reading wrong, maybe too many pages to read right now, but where are we? Do you need some donation to send to a lab?

If all it takes is $50 - let's just do it. Send out a wick that was torched to the highest temp possible with a torch and see if it comes back for Chromium VI.

 

[fraghole]

Thanks y'all for the levity, It was getting a little tense in here. Definitely my fault.

I agree with the above statements stating that keeping the heat on the low side (not glowing) is the way to go.

There was a post a page back or so that was asking about my initial test. It was a proof of concept test. Not really applicable to what people are doing here. I did use the word "trace" which was the wrong word to use. The amounts of oxide I put into the distilled water was way above the amount produced normally by a single wick.

Sincerely,
Boden

P.s. If you want to have a sample tested PM me and I will give you the contact information at the lab. It's 50$ a sample and they can do Total CR or CRVI testing.

That was probably my post. I'm asking because if answered, it could help clear up alot of confusion.

 

[Boden]

This is OT but please read this: CASAA Research Fund Launch

 

[j4mmin42]

Thanks for the reply, ProjectGuy,

I figured it would be Crazy Expensive, but I searched the whole ECF Forum for Platinum Mesh, and the the things I listed came up. So it would seem that others are at least talking about them, if not already trying them. The Quest for the Perfect Vape!!!

But this stuff still gives me the Willies. I'm reading about http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/362729-ceramic-coated-coil-2.html right now, and all this talk about Ceramics makes me nuts. One person says it's OK, and everyone else chimes in saying, Well, what about This? ..Did you consider That? ..I'd rather be in a small cage with a Viper than Vape on it! and stuff like that.

This Ceramic Coated Wick thing is to help prevent Shorts (Burrrrrrrrr, gives me Chills), but honestly, it seems to me, for the amount of time and money one spends in that kind of preparation, one would be better off fiddling around in more traditional methods, like Petar K's non-oxidized mesh, and maybe don't even do the Juice Burn, if you're that concerned about it. I'm sure the OP (Ulmer) will chime in on my statement here, but that's OK too. I don't have to like it, and he doesn't have to like me not liking it. Use it if you will.

I'm just sayin', where does it all end? There has to be a better, simpler, safer way, than all these extremes.

In the Navy, they taught us KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid. I'm not really calling anyone Stupid here, but it's no longer Simple, either.

If you're having trouble with Shorts, then wrap the SS Mesh with Cotton Batten, or Cotton Thread, not Ceramics, or Porcelain, or Fiberglass, or more Silica in Silica Tubes. Silica (and Fiberglass) is why people turned to SS Mesh in the first place.

OK, I've derailed this thread enough. Thanks for the reply, and have a great day.

Until we have more info on mesh- and , somewhat, on ceramics, too- I feel safest returning to Silica.

Why is that?

Because we know what the risks are for silica builds, and there IS a really simple (yet a bit silly) solution to preventing those risks: A small piece of air or water pre-filter foam (designed for human consumption, not industrial application) placed above the atomizer section.

Will it work? If the particulate coming from the silica is larger than the minimum size that the filtration material can catch, then yes, it will work. What it will not be able to filter are extremely small threats, like dissolved solids contained in the vapor itself, or off-gasses from anything metallic.

I'll update this thread and mine (over in RBA subforum) as things develop.

Yes, it is silly, yes, cigarettes use filters...but hey, if it works, it works...and it's so SIMPLE- anyone can "fix" their silica devices with just a small piece of filter material. The key is finding the perfect material for the job, and like I said, I'll update when I find out more.

edit: Also, Carbon filtration; I mean, .... .....s are using it in their way-too-expensive water-filtration devices...so why can't we use such a device inline on our devices? Seems like it wouldn't be too difficult...

Edited because even though this is an 18-and-over forum, we're not allowed to speak freely-instead we must abide by childish, arcane, antiquated, unrealistic rules that force us to pretend certain realities AFK don't actually exist.

 

[Boden]

ok, just being to the point...did any sample come back positive for Chromium VI?

Or...are we just speculating?

Maybe I'm reading wrong, maybe too many pages to read right now, but where are we? Do you need some donation to send to a lab?

If all it takes is $50 - let's just do it. Send out a wick that was torched to the highest temp possible with a torch and see if it comes back for Chromium VI.

I don't need any financial help, thanks for the offers. If you want the contact information for the lab I am using please PM me.

The samples heated to high temps (above 1200degF) did show positive results. Were they false positives? I don't know. Was there enough to matter? I don't know. That's why I am sending samples to a professional lab. Understand that I was trying to make CRVI. The time I heated the wicks were far above the norm. I wanted a worse case. The samples I am going to send this week are more in line with what you see people doing on youtube.

If anyone has a suggestion for a good base line torching procedure I can use on the new samples let me know. I'm just going by the youtube tutorials as of now.

Actually this is important: What are Y'all using to make your wicks? Are you using 316 SS or something else (304, etc). I want to make sure I am in the right ballpark. I am getting 316 and have some 304 left over from the earlier test.

Thanks,
Boden

 

[CASEACE79]

ok, just being to the point...did any sample come back positive for Chromium VI?

Or...are we just speculating?

Maybe I'm reading wrong, maybe too many pages to read right now, but where are we? Do you need some donation to send to a lab?

If all it takes is $50 - let's just do it. Send out a wick that was torched to the highest temp possible with a torch and see if it comes back for Chromium VI.

To me all this testing is very mute. Even if it comes back positive and in a high amount all it does is prove it's on the wick. Hell even if you blended up a highly oxidized wick with eliquid that even tested high for chromium VI logic would say it's probably ending up in your lungs but at the end of the day it's still just a theory. I can test raw chicken for bacteria and it'll show up positive but that doesn't mean it's harmful to consume once it's cooked. It's like testing 100% nic to see if it's safe to vape before it's mixed or cut. Why not just test the vapor and be done with the whole thing. If the end result is relatively safe that does it matter how it happened or why? The starting point is already proven to be lethal (100% nic), using the same logic of this test than none of us should ever vape anything. I just don't want everyone potentially freaking out if the tests come back positive because all it means is that we just have more evidence to form a hypothesis, not a definitive conclusion. That being said, I do applaud the research and effort going into this and in no way am trying to take away from the testing being done. I just want to make sure that people understand that more testing needs to be done before we know how safe or dangerous this potentially is.


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[rotohammer]

OT, but, I ran my Lead test kit on my Chid by grinding off the Chrome plating (lol) and testing both the exposed surface and the brass filings and it showed negative. I then tested some 60/40 solder and it showed positive. At least thats one concern resolved for me.

 

[boneshark187]

I don't need any financial help, thanks for the offers. If you want the contact information for the lab I am using please PM me.

The samples heated to high temps (above 1200degF) did show positive results. Were they false positives? I don't know. Was there enough to matter? I don't know. That's why I am sending samples to a professional lab. Understand that I was trying to make CRVI. The time I heated the wicks were far above the norm. I wanted a worse case. The samples I am going to send this week are more in line with what you see people doing on youtube.

If anyone has a suggestion for a good base line torching procedure I can use on the new samples let me know. I'm just going by the youtube tutorials as of now.

Actually this is important: What are Y'all using to make your wicks? Are you using 316 SS or something else (304, etc). I want to make sure I am in the right ballpark. I am getting 316 and have some 304 left over from the earlier test.

Thanks,
Boden

Thanks Boden,

I think it is important to understand that the sample did test positive for chromium vi, thanks for the clarification.

I'm using 316 SS from the mesh company which I usually torch over my gas stove burner.