this thread is a great idea in every way.We need to know and know now.It may not matter to most but have one fall ill and then your ordering from "john" in China never really knowing.
Starting a LIST of diacetyl-free ejuice suppliers. Please, keep to JUST listing the supplier names!
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I really don't want to be a PITA, but diacetyl is fda approved for food-flavoring purposes, and your supplier has the list of diacetyl-containing juices on his website. You might consider listing which of your flavors use FlavourArt, and what FA flavor you're using in a blend, that way the consumer can crosscheck if s/he chooses to do so. (Diacetile - Flavourart. La sartoria degli aromi) Just so you know, there are many of us that want to avoid the stuff, NOT blackball vendors that use it.
I am going to preface this response from Geoff at Tasty Vapor with my earlier post...
The problem is, do you really believe that they know?
And even if they do know, do you really believe they are telling the truth?
Rather than them just saying they don't have it in their juices, I would like to see their explanation.
And even then, I'm not entirely comfortable.
I agree with rolygate, and test results are what I want to see.
This issue isn't going away that easily.
The vendors need to get their house in order, and know what they are doing.
This could be the issue that ends the carefree good times of ignorance and bliss.
EDIT: I'm sorry to mess up your thread.
EDIT: But it has to be said somewhere in this thread.
EDIT: Hopefully that will be the last time someone says it, since it has been said once.
I have no problem with this thread as long as there is a disclaimer posted in the OP that says something like this:
Short of actually supplying independent lab certification(not a manufacturer supplied MSDS or a letter from the vendor's flavor supplier indicating diacetyl free flavor - an actual Certification of Analysis from an independent, recognized lab who tested directly and at random the eliquid(s) in question);
The suppliers on this list have only supplied verbal assurance of the complete absence of diacetyl(and related pulmonotoxic agents) and nothing else. If actual independent lab analysis is available, suppliers will provide the pertinent lab contact info for consumer verification.
If this disclaimer is not included - and I mean no disrespect to the OP as I applaud the OP's effort to have a common "clearinghouse" style list on the forum for diacetyl free eliquid - this list, as was formerly stated, is ostensibly meaningless.
As long as vapers see & understand the disclaimer; I have no problem with this list - Hopefully the disclaimer would encourage vendors to start seeking independent, random lab analysis of their eliquid.
Short of actually supplying independent lab certification(not a manufacturer supplied MSDS or a letter from the vendor's flavor supplier indicating diacetyl free flavor - an actual Certification of Analysis from an independent, recognized lab who tested directly and at random the eliquid(s) in question);
The suppliers on this list have only supplied verbal assurance of the complete absence of diacetyl(and related pulmonotoxic agents) and nothing else. If actual independent lab analysis is available, suppliers will provide the pertinent lab contact info for consumer verification.
If this disclaimer is not included - and I mean no disrespect to the OP as I applaud the OP's effort to have a common "clearinghouse" style list on the forum for diacetyl free eliquid - this list, as was formerly stated, is ostensibly meaningless.
As long as vapers see & understand the disclaimer; I have no problem with this list - Hopefully the disclaimer would encourage vendors to start seeking independent, random lab analysis of their eliquid.
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roger that. i am trying to update the list as fast as i can (i work fulltime so i have to catch up in the evenings)...so if anyone wants to copy and paste my list and update it even more, feel free to! i am sure i have neglected to add some companies.
Hey, Texas, if you're having a list update it with the places others are adding so its all compiled in one post like some of the other 'List' threads I've seen, like the recipes one. I have no other opinions -- shhhhh, detractors!
and that is the biggest risk I see to this list. If companies are missed, many may not order from them incorrectly thinking they aren't diacetyl free suppliers.
true that...wouldnt it just be NICE if ALL eliquid suppliers simply put on their website "we are diacetyl-free"! that would solve it all.
If the chemical that is use in place of diacetyl is just as bad..Then whats the point in removing diacetyl..?
Pure Vapes while not technically entirely diacetyl free, makes very clear disclosure on which of the flavors contain diacetyl, and if eliminating those, there are still a lot of choices.
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I just received an email from Strictly Ejuice stating they do not use diacetyl in any of their juice.
I await with interest the first post by a supplier that can actually prove it with a lab test of their product that specifically looked for diacetyl (butenediol) and acetyl proprionyl (pentanediol). I appreciate that there is a cost implication since each different end product would in theory need testing - but two or three of the most likely candidates would help. If a product line includes Butter Popcorn or Yoghurt, then those are obvious candidates for testing.
As has already been stated, this issue may not be of importance to all, but some will want to choose the safest-possible products. In any case no e-liquid should be sold with known toxic contaminants, especially at the current stage of the global dispute over the legitimacy of e-cigarettes. It doesn't actually matter if in the end we find that small amounts of these contaminants are not a health issue - they certainly will be an issue if the FDA finds them first, and a much more serious one than the last time round because we know this is a real threat, unlike their previous spin.
As has already been stated, this issue may not be of importance to all, but some will want to choose the safest-possible products. In any case no e-liquid should be sold with known toxic contaminants, especially at the current stage of the global dispute over the legitimacy of e-cigarettes. It doesn't actually matter if in the end we find that small amounts of these contaminants are not a health issue - they certainly will be an issue if the FDA finds them first, and a much more serious one than the last time round because we know this is a real threat, unlike their previous spin.
I received word from our international vendor, ( VB will never name another company in a negative light) they provided a list of flavorings to the public that list their flavors that contain Diacetyl, there was one flavor that we use that was on the list and it has been removed from our web-site. I employ all to read the statement issued by them in its entirety. there is a link in this thread to that statement, again we will not name names due to the fact that I personally feel that it is unethical.
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