If you're trying to spread fear, misinformation, etc. Then you are doing what you're claiming you're not doing. You're politicizing owning a mech mod by comparing it to a firearm. 2 different pieces of equipment, with 2 entirely different functions. Quite frankly it's ignorant of you to even mention firearms and mech mods in the same sentence, let alone as a comparison.
old news. Did not “are”. Seems like you wish I would continue to do so though, since I both announced that I quit doing it and apologized for doing it, apologized FOR doing it, as well as explaining my reasons for doing so. Do I personally think they have some similarities? Yes I do, but I also believe it’s a factor of where I happen to live. I also do not believe the similarities are exact. The nature of the angry posts I received were generally about parts of the analogy I wasn’t trying to make in the first place. None of that matters though because the point is so politicized in our society currently it has no place here, which is why there was a problem, not the point itself. Why are you bringing it up again? Would it be an attempt to politicize perhaps? ‘Cause it kinda looks like it.
You find a battery that will power a .04 resistance wire build safely and I'll believe you.
You’re making a demand to support a point you did not originally make. I honestly doubt that is currently possible. I don’t know for sure though because I don’t know enough about electronics. There are VV mods that fire down that far though. I’ve personally watched an ageis legend fire down to .06. And talked about it here. That is the thing you were saying didn’t exist and that is what wasn’t true. Are you saying “I will never believe you and am willing to make stuff up to that end?”
Building below the battery's suggested limits is frowned upon by most (if not all) sensible people - had you paid any attention to any other thread I've posted on, you'd know my statement well: "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should."
And I agree with that sentiment. It is also probable in this fourm via posts by others that people do it anyway. I did it once. Publicly. The post was about super subohming. I did it in order to demonstrate that the people who were claiming it was safe were wrong and that it wasn’t. I got a lot of complaints there too from people who didn’t like that either. Different thing that different people don’t like to hear I guess.
I’m supposed to take note on yours but you’re not supposed to take notes on mine. How nice for you.
You find a regulated mod that will fire below .04 resistance wire builds and I'll believe you.
You already mentioned that one. Repition does not improve the quality of an argument
Only one I have seen to date - is the DNA250C that I know of.
So you do agree with the point you didn’t agree with earlier in your own post. This is getting confusing
Don't know, but given their firmware fiasco as of late, I'd gamble to say it'd be lucky to even read the resistance without throttling, let alone fire it.
I am not familiar with this fiasco. Could you be more specific?
I did build stupidly low. I also learned a lesson.
one you seem possibly willing to throw away for the sake of argument possibly. It’s hard to tell. You keep contradicting yourself
Having to replace atomizers because I overheated the center post and melted the insulator is stupid. It wasn't just stupid, it was reckless. But hey, back then, we weren't as concerned with battery safety as much as we are today because people have been hurt or killed because of it.
I’ve got a possibly damaged insulator too. It’s not melted but it’s edges are blackened. I can’t tell if it’s from gunk or actual damage though so I took it off line and am planning on taking it apart to see. It was the one I used for the super subohming thing though so it’s possible it is damaged.
Read the first half of the conversation, then get back to me.
which conversation? This now what? Seven page thread? I’ve read all of it. How could I have posts all through it if I didn’t read it already. You do seem to like the first half more than the second though as you seem to be ignoring that bit
"You people" is a broad term I will use to cover anyone that attempts to / or successfully politicizes anything not related to politics.
well that can’t be either vaping or the “G” word then. The issue with the first is it is being linked to politics through regulation world wide. There’s even whole sections specifically related to it on this forum. You appear to be very much in the “you people” group then.
The issue with the second is it already is so highly politicized topic that my mere mentioning one aspect of it was enough to set off a firestorm about all other areas of it.
This topic was about mech mods, not gun rights, not the second amendment, nothing of the sorts. Yet you attempted to - in a hamfisted approach, mind you - make it political.
I do not. I origionally compared a single minor aspect, that of the ability to handle and control what is viewed where I live, as a potentially dangerous item. IIRC there was then a gigantic kerfluffle about whether that second item was indeed dangerous. I accepted the point that it is viewed differently in different places, accepted the point that it was overly political, and stopped. You seem to want to bring it back though.
You did the same thing on another post and got it closed down.
I did it in THIS thread and got it closed down. It was merely reopened again for reasons I do not understand. Perhaps because the mods felt the kerfluffle was over and the posters would drop the pointless bits and return to the actual issue. You clearly seem to be unwilling to do that.
Auto insurance exists for many reasons, not just for mishaps that are caused by the operator of the vehicle, but someone else's reckless behavior as well.
auto insurance now? Alright. No it doesn’t, at least in States that don’t have a no fault rule.
And just because the public was ready to remove cars, is it reasonable? Is it feasible?
You’re confusing historical periods. Was, not is. At the time it was. There were very few cars on the road
Is it even remotely RATIONAL? By your own standards, let's remove the internet to stop trolls from polluting reasonable discussions from taking place. Let's remove TV to prevent people from being brainwashed by the news, cartoons, movies, etc. Let's just ban all the things because of various isolated instances.
those are not my standards. They never were. Where are you getting that one? This whole post is starting to sound like a gigantic attempt to claim I said things I didn’t say.
The political bit IS the standard here though. Not the whole internet even. Just here. For reasons that should be pretty obvious by now.
GAS DRYERS - SEE ABOVE
These Groups - SEE "YOU PEOPLE"
The qualifier - this one is rather difficult to explain, so, how do you qualify for anything? You study, you learn, and then you perform.
There are countless videos, reviews, and information on the proper workings on mechanical devices - and yet - almost EVERYTHING I HAVE READ ON THEM states the same thing - boldly - that "mechanical mods have no circuitry or installed safeties to protect the user, the safety of a mechanical mod is the user themself." What does that mean? Study. Learn. Perform. If someone has questions about mechanical mods, then ask! We shouldn't be brow beating them to avoid mechanical mods at all costs in lieu of "safer" systems.
yep. Now, do all or even a large minority of vapers do that reading? No. Everyone here does. After all they’re here. Here is not everybody though.
"That read..." try typing a sentence, while making food, only using your voice as an activator.
best point you’ve made so far. That does sound like a PITA. I’m impressed it’s as accurate as it is. I don’t even mess with voice recognition myself. I find it unacceptably innaccurate. It takes me like four attempts to even get a single word correct.
You don't have to be an industry to cause the downfall of the industry. All you have to do is spread fear about a certain category of product enough to have everyone droning on about how "Dangerous" something is before you catch unwanted attention. I like to vape too, but I don't go around and try to preach about how dangerous or safe one product is over another.
um... you might want to check your own posts then, because you kind of just did.
I always tell people, "if you want to be safe, know your batteries, know your device, and know the limits!" It's pretty all encompassing too. Further questions get further answers. As for your "valid reasons" argument, did they ban Tide Pods just because of a couple jackasses found amusement in eating them? No, they didn't. Should they? NOPE! Let natural selection run its course! However, the vaping industry isn't as big as the other industries, its still in it's infancy state, which means its very susceptible to scrutiny and unreasonable regulations. So should those isolated instances continue to occur, they don't have the financial power like J&J, P&G, etc., then who's going to save them?
in this case us. The difference is I was interested in removing a potential problem, and you appear to be interested in hiding it. Different approaches. The bright side is it appears that upon doing a bit of research, namely going out and asking an actual merchant what the changes in vape sales were, the problem is less severe than I feared. I was working off what is available on this site.
Making a guess of my age and being born in the 2000's shows just how ignorant and blatantly blind you are.
..and we’re back to name calling again.. alright. I never attempted to guess your age. Mechs of the type you described came out at a particular time. I named it. That is all. Inferences based on that could be made. I made them. Your age was not one of them. You claim that you not only started on mechs, which is not where ecigs started btw. Ecigs effectively started in the US with cigalikes, and they did it barely a dozen years ago. Possibly even less. By making the claim you did you effectively announced when you started vaping. I suppose it’s possible that you started later than that using equipment that was already old. There’s enough of that still around as to cause gigantic seven page threads here. The effect was still the same though. Who is it that is ignorant and blind again?
When you spent hundreds upon hundreds of dollars on cig-a-likes, eGO batteries, and the regulated devices - at the time - didn't fire below 1.0 ohm, you found little to no satisfaction in vaping.
should I at this point go back to the “ignorant and blind” accusation then?
Actually, while I found cigalikes sucked, I found egos to be far far better. At the time there weren’t really any regulated devices at all. The batteries were all LiPo, so there was an electronic limit built into them for safety, but that was it. VV mods didn’t happen at all until pretty recently.
It wasn't until I got my hands on a mech, did my knowledge really begin to expand and I found dripping to be a treat.
I did too.
It delivered what I was looking for. Instant gratification at the cost of a little bit of work. Then came the dawn of sub-ohm tanks, which made it that much easier for everyone to share in my experiences. Thanks to all the reviewers I watched at the time.
Also a non topical point, but I’ve never messed with tank coil cartridges myself at all, unless you include punched cartos. I had already moved on to RTAs. I did try a zenith recently. It got lost on a trip though. Sub-ohm cartridge tanks I’ve never touched. I missed that area of development.
I don't have to worry about a battery exploding or killing me now. Even if I did build something off the wall.
more direct contradictions within the same post. You were worrying about it a great deal and taking me to task for in you view not doing so just a few column inches up
"Freed liberty" - should have said "freedom and liberty", nothing 'code wordy' about it.
ah that makes more sense. Especially in light of the trying to use a voice based typing system. Merely dealing with autocorrect drives me nuts
I'd appreciate it if you'd leave your bag of conspiracy theories at the door next time, thanks.
I’ll put mine down when you put yours down
Yes, and attempting to "lower" risk by suggesting regulated mods to everyone you encounter is just as foolish as suggesting mechanical mods are more dangerous than their regulated counterparts.
actually I suggest “don’t vape at all if you’re not already a smoker” most often. Your statement that mechs are just as safe as regulated mods is one you’ve already directly refuted yourself
One thing you don't seem to admit to is if regulated mods were so safe, then why do we need more than 100W to power anything?
actually I have said earlier several times, though not in this post, that I don’t think anything above about 40w is needed for anything. Those tanks I mentioned not using above seem to require them though which is a major reason I’ve never bought one
I mean, we have devices capable of going up to 400W - and I suspect - within a year or two we'll probably have devices going up to 750W - 1.2kW. Keep in mind, these are electronic cigarettes, not PC power supplies. Who in the hell in their right mind would need 100+ Watts of power, to vaporize liquid, at all?!
I fully agree. A mech using a low ohm coil IS firing at those levels though whether you can see it or not.
“Oh but regulated devices are safer than..." uh huh, how so? I mean, because inhaling BURNT cotton, rayon, hemp fibers, etc is so much safer, right?
Every device can burn cotton. Mechs are at least as capable. More so if you’re using TC. The reason cotton is used is because it wicks better than silica while simultaneously acting as a fuse to prevent ejuice from heating to a point where it theoretically and according to some very possibly questionable science produces dangerous compounds. Which I suspect you knew already.
I mean, we all didn't quit using combustible tobacco products - which runs the risks of respiratory disease, heart disease, lung cancer, etc - just to huff burnt cotton or other wicking fibers, did we? Just as you have doubts about who should be allowed to use mechs, I have doubts about who should be allowed to use e-cigarettes at all.
So you want more regulation then? Seems incongruous
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Because batteries / battery packs used in most regulated mods are 100% safe and people will always take care of their batteries, right?
[/QUOTE] wrong. They are merely less unsafe, and only in some ways. They happen to be safer in ways convenient to me so I use them.
PSH! Take that garbage elsewhere!
That was never my garbage. That was you taking your garbage, attempting to stuff it down my throat, and then claim it was mine the whole time. I’m merely spitting it out again, and telling you to put it where it belongs.
