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FQ I am a little odd I like to buy pre mixed juice and then mix to flavors to get the perfect vaping pleasure. and i stumbled on this one last night!

https://thevapingdead.3dcartstores.com/Pumpkin-Brains_p_13.html and then mixed a few drops of of grants vanilla custard... Hello and welcome to | Grant's Vanilla Custard
& a few drops of Vahalla – Vapor Technologies Austin it the ultimate perfect pumpkin pie mix!

I do that, and have done almost since I started -- right now my main squeeze is blueberry muffin mixed with banana nut bread -- about 3 parts blueberry muffin to 1 part banana nut bread. It's so yummy! I just got some 24mg blueberry pancake WTA to mix with that, since I'm coming up on 3 months; gotta raise the WTA level, so I figured the blueberry pancake WTA would do better than unflavored, so it doesn't dilute the flavor so much. I got the 24mg instead of the 12mg so I can add some PG to it; it's 80VG/20PG, and that's way too much VG for me.

But when I first started, the very first ejuice I bought was "Oak Barrel Cider" Pipe Sauce -- turned out that 18mg was wayyyyyyy too strong for me, but I didn't want to waste it, so I mixed in some 6mg cinnamon redhot and 6mg Virginia, and it was great! That was my morning vape for quite a while. Now I still vape Virginia, but mix in very small amounts of the Oak Barrel Cider and cinnamon redhot; it really complements the taste of the Virginia, and makes it a lot better.

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ok dual users.... I am stuck... In a bad habit...
I seems i can hit day two with no cigs, then on day three is rears its ugly head.... I have WTA & NET on hand and in my rotation... but the damn stickies keep getting under my skin... Do I just chain vape thru day three? did you all find this as well?
UGH am getting frustrated i go two days then day three, smoke, then go two days and then day three i smoke... for those of you fighting does this sound similar?:censored::cry:
 

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ok dual users.... I am stuck... In a bad habit...
I seems i can hit day two with no cigs, then on day three is rears its ugly head.... I have WTA & NET on hand and in my rotation... but the damn stickies keep getting under my skin... Do I just chain vape thru day three? did you all find this as well?
UGH am getting frustrated i go two days then day three, smoke, then go two days and then day three i smoke... for those of you fighting does this sound similar?:censored::cry:

I didn't have much trouble at day 3, but day 10...!!! I added the WTA at that point, and it really did it for me. But, I had already committed fully to *no smoking* -- you may just have to power through it, to show your brain that you own it, it doesn't own you -- if you always give in everytime your 'addict cells' throw a fit, then they know just what to do, to get what they want. If you totally ignore them, tell them just "tough!" then eventually they shut up and leave you alone. Kinda like, a little kid that always gets its way, if it screams loudly enough...? It takes some real will power to ignore those screaming fits, but if you stop giving in, eventually the kid knows that it's useless to throw a screaming fit.

Just my own personal experience...

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Sounds to be you are fighting a double edged sword fight with the day 3 cycle. Half physical, half mind. I had some teeth-grinding days in the beginning. Here is where you have to grab your mind and distract it. Find something to keep your hands busy and your mind occupied. Break your routine. Break your thought pattern. Break your thought process, mid thought if necessary. Switch movies, eat something different, eat a hard candy or piece of gum. Or some spicy chips and salsa. Break the connection.

And up your nicotine for that 15 to 30 minute timeframe. Go up to 18mg or 24mg or 30mg for just that short craving period. And keep a topper filled with that high nic juice and only use it for those teeth gritting times.

You are having some level of physical withdrawal that is being reinforced by your mind. You can get beyond that cycle. A pattern is hard to break and reset. It takes conscious effort in the beginning. With time these periods will get weaker and less frequent.

You can do this.

This is my recipe for how I got through that stage. There are many variations on how to get through it. You may need to try several things to find what will work for you.

Hugs, Shari

ok dual users.... I am stuck... In a bad habit...
I seems i can hit day two with no cigs, then on day three is rears its ugly head.... I have WTA & NET on hand and in my rotation... but the damn stickies keep getting under my skin... Do I just chain vape thru day three? did you all find this as well?
UGH am getting frustrated i go two days then day three, smoke, then go two days and then day three i smoke... for those of you fighting does this sound similar?:censored::cry:
 

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Hello all
Sorry I have been out for a while.
Had a rough few weeks.
And yes, I totally totally relapsed. Like HARD.
Full on smoking for I don't even know how long now lol
But I "embraced the suck" (as ethrealink says, IIFC) and got back on vaping today.
Not even gonna update my counter yet. But I have been full smoking since I updated it last.
Can't wait to see this post to see exactly how long I have been smoking.

Anyways, just thought I would pop in and say hi and try to get back into the convo.

I know I could've still been here while smoking, but I wasn't really avoiding the group. Just the same crazy things that knocked me back into smoking are the same crazy things that left me with no time or mental energy to catch up with the thread.
 

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Have to agree with Shari and Andria

But I will throw this out, just for discussion sake.

I remember seeing a "craving pattern" years ago. Now, not everyone fits into this graph neatly, but it was quite informative. The study was based on people who had gone into total nicotine/tobacco cessation. No ecigs. No nothing. Then, they recorded every time they had a craving for a little over a week (or maybe it was just a week.)
The average "craving time" was about 5 minutes. This means that for the average person, the hard, tooth-griding cravings that seemed to go on forever, subsided after about five minutes. (Personally, when I went cold turkey once, it was 15-30 minutes for me. Average is average, and we aren't all average.)
This seems to go along with Andria's point. Hold off long enough and the craving subsides.

The other aspect of the study was craving frequency. The quitters logged every time in a day they had a craving. Obviously, the first three days were where the spikes were. On average, the highest frequency was days 2/3.

Then the graph gets really low. On average, people were getting maybe a handful of cravings throughout the day. Short duration as well.
Then, out of the blue, day 7 shows a huge spike. (To me, considering everyone's biology is different, still coincides with Andria's day 10)

We are still getting nicotine. And we WTA users are also obviously getting WTAs. But delivery, dosage, balance of chemicals and metabolism thereof, are all still being affected when we stop smoking and start vaping.
And because there is a change in a chemical we are physically addicted to, the body does start to complain when we alter what it is used to.

The first 3-7 days are usually when the body is put into shock and is forced to adapt to the changes. This is true of any chemical dependency. But because the changes start to slow down and mental triggers will ALWAYS be there (the brain remembers how X chemical made it feel), each day a choice must be made. But the more time under your belt, the easier it gets.

Shari's suggestion of candy is a really good one. There is a percentage of nicotine withdraw that is related to blood sugar levels. Nicotine raises blood sugar levels, but the body becomes dependent on this action. The body gets used to nicotine doing the job and gets lazy in its own natural methods of equalizing blood sugar level. The result? Nicotine withdraw = low blood sugar = an extra layer to withdraw, irritation and desire to use.

Yes, we are still using nic. But for what it's worth, small changes in body chemistry still have observable effects. So, does this apply to us? I dunno. But having some candy, fruit juice, etc on hand for the first week might make a difference.

As I said, just throwing it out there.


ok dual users.... I am stuck... In a bad habit...
I seems i can hit day two with no cigs, then on day three is rears its ugly head.... I have WTA & NET on hand and in my rotation... but the damn stickies keep getting under my skin... Do I just chain vape thru day three? did you all find this as well?
UGH am getting frustrated i go two days then day three, smoke, then go two days and then day three i smoke... for those of you fighting does this sound similar?:censored::cry:
 
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Well hello there, Tim. It is really good to see you back here. We have been quieter these past couple of weeks or so. I still come by as often as I am able to keep touch.

Now that you have put your mind to vaping again you will be able to get a handle on the smoking. You will find a level that you are comfortable with. So happy to have you back and hope the life stuff calms down a bit too.
 

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Thank you very much Shari

Well hello there, Tim. It is really good to see you back here. We have been quieter these past couple of weeks or so. I still come by as often as I am able to keep touch.

Now that you have put your mind to vaping again you will be able to get a handle on the smoking. You will find a level that you are comfortable with. So happy to have you back and hope the life stuff calms down a bit too.
 

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I like what Shari said a lot; when I was first getting sober, the first few months were rough as hell, and the ONLY thing that got me through was doing what she said, just change something -- get up and walk around the house, go eat something, yell at the kid or the spouse, pick up a book and try to read -- I remember I was reading Ann Rice's "The Witching Hour" for the very first time then -- now there's a massively creepy book (though the sequels were kinda MEH!). But changing whatever I was doing when the craving hit, that was the only way I could get past those cravings. Ice-cold V8 juice helped a lot, because it's not sweet, unlike every other beverage EXCEPT beer! And probably those B vitamins helped a lot too.

I've been sober 22 yrs now... but you know, when the sun is going down, there's a certain light in the sky, and sometimes those cravings still come and bite me on the ....! Nowadays I just laugh and tell my husband (another recovering alkie), oh I surely do crave a beer... he just tells me to crave in one hand and poop in the other... :D

For me, with the smoking, as long as there was ANY option to smoke, my stupid brain just would not let up -- "Is it time yet?" "NOW is it time?" "How about NOW?" Once I took that last pack and put 'em in a ziplock and stashed 'em in the freezer, I told myself, no more, that's it, no more smoking, my stupid brain finally shut up and let me enjoy my vaping without pestering me continually. Really it was a huge relief, to have that antsy little addict shut the hell up. :D Then around day 10, as I said, the little twinges turned into big godawful roars. I had the WTA already, planning ahead for when I got near 3 wks, but I knew if I didn't do something QUICK I wasn't gonna make it to 3 wks, so I went ahead and added it -- the next morning, when I was topping up my daytime tank. I vaped it all day, and that night, I suddenly realized... I'D HAD NO CRAVINGS ALL DAY LONG! :shock:

Nobody can really tell another person how to quit an addiction; it's always very individual to the person, what triggers the craving, how to avoid them or squash them. But if you keep trying, and DON'T give in, eventually you do find your way. But, if you always give in, you never have a chance to find the way out.

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What a wonderful, insightful post, Andria!

I like what Shari said a lot; when I was first getting sober, the first few months were rough as hell, and the ONLY thing that got me through was doing what she said, just change something -- get up and walk around the house, go eat something, yell at the kid or the spouse, pick up a book and try to read -- I remember I was reading Ann Rice's "The Witching Hour" for the very first time then -- now there's a massively creepy book (though the sequels were kinda MEH!). But changing whatever I was doing when the craving hit, that was the only way I could get past those cravings. Ice-cold V8 juice helped a lot, because it's not sweet, unlike every other beverage EXCEPT beer! And probably those B vitamins helped a lot too.

I've been sober 22 yrs now... but you know, when the sun is going down, there's a certain light in the sky, and sometimes those cravings still come and bite me on the ....! Nowadays I just laugh and tell my husband (another recovering alkie), oh I surely do crave a beer... he just tells me to crave in one hand and poop in the other... :D

For me, with the smoking, as long as there was ANY option to smoke, my stupid brain just would not let up -- "Is it time yet?" "NOW is it time?" "How about NOW?" Once I took that last pack and put 'em in a ziplock and stashed 'em in the freezer, I told myself, no more, that's it, no more smoking, my stupid brain finally shut up and let me enjoy my vaping without pestering me continually. Really it was a huge relief, to have that antsy little addict shut the hell up. :D Then around day 10, as I said, the little twinges turned into big godawful roars. I had the WTA already, planning ahead for when I got near 3 wks, but I knew if I didn't do something QUICK I wasn't gonna make it to 3 wks, so I went ahead and added it -- the next morning, when I was topping up my daytime tank. I vaped it all day, and that night, I suddenly realized... I'D HAD NO CRAVINGS ALL DAY LONG! :shock:

Nobody can really tell another person how to quit an addiction; it's always very individual to the person, what triggers the craving, how to avoid them or squash them. But if you keep trying, and DON'T give in, eventually you do find your way. But, if you always give in, you never have a chance to find the way out.

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I love you all and the support you are giving!!!

I do think it is a mental thing... The biggest problem is trying ot trick my mind... it stays focused... and maybe I shoudl not use the WTA or the NET until the craving hit maybe? I got some bracelets at the halloween store and I remember one of hte trick I use eons ago when you crave you snap your wrist with a rubber band... gonna go back to basics lol hubby is still smoking and I think that is making is easier for me to "give up" and just have one.... but we decided tonight that he is not aloud to give me any! Period... now way no how! tmorrow is a new day and we have plans on re-doing a bedroom into an office. then a girls night with a few nin smokers!
 

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There's one other thing I wanted to mention; this comes up a lot at AA meetings, and dear lord, it's so true. When you quit something, whatever it is, drinking, smoking, sniffing gym socks, or just whatever... *you* are changing. But the rest of the world? Not changing a bit. It's still the same old garden of wonder or pile of crap it always was and always will be; people will still be idiots and total buttheads. You can let it serve as an excuse to go back to whatever... or you can just blow it off, and realize that that person was a butthead before, and still is, and probably always will be, but it doesn't have to affect YOU. The rest of the world isn't going to become a garden of earthly delight just to accommodate your quitting whatever-it-is; how you react to it is your own choice, but if you let whatever PITA cause you to go back to whatever, you have let them dictate your behavior.

I really hate letting idiots and buttheads dictate my behavior! :D

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If you smoke, you know what works for you on ecigs. Eventually you will slow down on your smoking. I had a huge urge to smoke today. Almost bought a pack. But didn't have money to buy any.

Temperature has dropped. I first started smoking in the fall on my 18th birthday with cigars. Cold Weather is a trigger for me. And we are trying to leave the heat off for as long as possible. Was 45 all day. Dropped liwer overnight. Have hot water going for a bath then into the puppy pile on the bed.
 

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If you smoke, you know what works for you on ecigs. Eventually you will slow down on your smoking. I had a huge urge to smoke today. Almost bought a pack. But didn't have money to buy any.

Temperature has dropped. I first started smoking in the fall on my 18th birthday with cigars. Cold Weather is a trigger for me. And we are trying to leave the heat off for as long as possible. Was 45 all day. Dropped liwer overnight. Have hot water going for a bath then into the puppy pile on the bed.

We turned on our space heaters last night! We always do that for a while in the fall, because the days still get quite warm, think it's gonna be about 68 today; cool enough not to need the AC at all, but certainly won't need the furnace for probably another month.

Autumn is by far the best season down here! My roses will keep blooming till probably around xmas.

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YUP!!!!
It's like is so often said, The Lord, sometimes he calms the storm and sometimes he calms me.

Life does have its ups and downs, and no one is exempt. Someone posted the scriputre on FB the other day, "Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:" 1 Peter 4:12

And it's true. But knowing, as the old saying goes, This too shall pass. (There are many purported origins to the this saying, but they all seem to come down to a wise king who asked his advisers to give him a saying that would keep him both humble in good times and hopeful in bad times. Though often used to lift ppl up in the bad times, also good to remember of good times "this too shall pass." There are many I know who didn't store up during the abundant years that came a decade ago and kick themselves now because they didn't remember "this too shall pass" and save more. But I digress.)

When I first started vaping and quit smoking, yes I had problems I was facing like anyone else - stress, loss, etc. But nothing earth-shattering. Was completely successful. Picked up my first cigalike and fell in love with vaping. The first week was a swift reduction of smoking (usually just one or two in the morning). After the first week, I was smoke free. That lasted over a year.

Then I played around with smoking. Hey, the first quit was so easy. I can go back to vaping WHENEVER I want. And I probably could have. Bud didn't know I was about to face some of the hardest trials in my life thus far. Wish I would have jumped back into full vaping right away, but I didn't. Now I am paying the price, trying to get back in the flow while dealing with things that are hitting me right in the tenderest areas of my heart.

Now, I am not saying my problems are worse than anyone else's, I would hate to be facing what some here are facing. Hearing some of these things gives me perspective on my own problems (it could be worse) while also touching me in my own areas of pain and making me very empathetic towards others.

But with that being said, I am facing what I am facing and it hits ME where it hurts. And I am not in any hopeless situation. Just a painful and stressful one. It is a good time, because I am growing and learning as a person. And there is a really good chance things will work out like I hope they will. If not, there is an even better chance things will work out the way I NEED them too. lol

So I am not complaining. Just saying this. I started playing with smoking at the worst time. Now, it isn't as easy as it was the first time. I said I was a 2-3 pack a day smoker, but just realized the other day I am really more like 3-4 this last year. When I am vaping, I am up to at least 10ml of 30mg.

But as rough as things are right now, I have to know that this too shall pass. Nothing lasts forever. Situations get resolved one way or another. But we don't know when or how. So I can't say "oh after I am through this I will stop smoking." What if that is another year, another two or three years or even seven years?
Nope, just got to soldier on. And if I can get full vaping now, at this time, I know I can vape through anything lol. Just got to learn how is all. And I sure do love puzzles.

Anyways, yeah. Good point Andria. We cannot change the world around us, but we can change how we REACT to the world around us. We can react as we always have habitually, or we can choose to take action in positive ways.
And when we get in that habit, we often find that many adversities clear up quickly, because we actually ARE the cause to many of our woes. There are things outside our control. But there are things we cause, whether directly or indirectly, because we react by habit and not act appropriately.

Sorry,
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Just that post spawned a few thoughts lol

There's one other thing I wanted to mention; this comes up a lot at AA meetings, and dear lord, it's so true. When you quit something, whatever it is, drinking, smoking, sniffing gym socks, or just whatever... *you* are changing. But the rest of the world? Not changing a bit. It's still the same old garden of wonder or pile of crap it always was and always will be; people will still be idiots and total buttheads. You can let it serve as an excuse to go back to whatever... or you can just blow it off, and realize that that person was a butthead before, and still is, and probably always will be, but it doesn't have to affect YOU. The rest of the world isn't going to become a garden of earthly delight just to accommodate your quitting whatever-it-is; how you react to it is your own choice, but if you let whatever PITA cause you to go back to whatever, you have let them dictate your behavior.

I really hate letting idiots and buttheads dictate my behavior! :D

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Then I played around with smoking. Hey, the first quit was so easy. I can go back to vaping WHENEVER I want.

God, YES! I figured, that first quit was so easy, I can just do that again. Mmhmm. Turned out to be a LOT harder the 2nd time; it really took a massive effort of will -- that mystical "willpower" the ANTZ are always yammering on about. And the WTA, of course. :D

I sure won't make that mistake again!

Speaking of WTA... I had been wondering a lot about it, and started following some links to find out more about those minor alkaloids and naturally-occurring MAOIs that are included in WTA. I recently set up a vaping website, so I wrote an article for the site, to try and pass on the little bit I learned about what they really are. If anyone cares to read it, it's at Vape Fight - About WTA

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