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I was smoking cigars for 35 years, can't smoke anymore, quit in 2015, and still love the smell of fine tobaccos.

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Interesting what tangible items are called in different places!Here (where I live in Australia),bought cigarettes in a packet are referred to as "tailor-made",as opposed to "rollies"(ie roll your own from pouch tobacco/or if accessible,& highly illegal,"chop chop"(people take alot of risks procuring loose tobacco from growing & processing coastal areas & truck it to city suburbs & sell for over $250 AUD per kilo.)But,not sure of prices now.but if a 50 gram pouch is say approx $70,a kilo of "chop chop" for even that outlay no wonder the crackdown happened-was all controlled by bikie gangs,so I was told!(Am off topic now...Back to Stinkys...which I never referred to cigarettes as but I know my clothes did smell & my car..perfume & Nilodour were always used frequently!)But had never heard the term "analogues"...thought that was to do with watches as opposed to digital..btw...got the Blu pods I ordered...going to attempt to refill with my pretend Dunhill juice soon,have a great weekend all!
 

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I also love the smell of a good cigar, but cigs, no....
I was smoking cigars for 35 years, can't smoke anymore, quit in 2015, and still love the smell of fine tobaccos.

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Every time I hear the term "stinky" it conjures up this dreadful image of some mom somewhere waving her baby around, smelling it's diaper and going "stinky-poo, stinky-poo buggles gets his diaper changed."

I don't at all related to the term stinky for a cigarette. Frainkly, if anything the SMELL of a cigarette might come in USEFUL in that scenario. I also heartily DISLIKE baby talk, although I do like BABY PATOIS, which is the fact that babies hear better in higher pitched tones early on, and it's useful to talk in a different tone, but for the love of God and all that is holy, you don't have to make every dang word "doo doo" and "da da" (I am also not the biggest fan of hooked on phonics, either, ) just freaking TALK to the kid, and it will eventually learn to TALK back.

So yeah, I don't even care about stinky other than it puts that godawful image in my mind, so it's just unfortunate. But for the love of God, ALSO call them whatever floats your boat, including fags, if you so desire. I call them the "black sticks of death" but I really don't care what ya'll do, including calling them Stinkies as, frankly, it's still a "nebulously" free country and we should hold on to what we've got.

ALSO, I entirely do NOT find the term "juvenile" an insult, I actually at times find it a COMPLEMENT, so whatever on that one. My response when called juvenile is usually, "So? So I I'm creative and funny and have energy and whatnot why in the love of God would I be offended by that." I'd probably be MORE offended if someone called me "highly mature." OR something. I'd be like, "You bought into my ACT HUH, hahahaha."

I also don't care what you call my Ecig. I'm thinking of NAMING some of mine. LOL.

This entire topic is just weird, I would not expect to see the term "stinky" in an article in the New York Times, but there's a LOT I don't expect to see there, apparently they only hire news reporters capable of writing in the Post Post modern style, and it's super annoying and a PITA to wade through.

From a normal human being? HAVE AT IT and YES POLITICAL CORRECTNESS has gone too far, but that ship sailed LONG ago. I mean, I had to TURN on my phone's CURSE function it actively censored me before that time and it's over FIVE years old.

Gah.

Anna

But if there is one think I HOPE for the LOVE of GOD we can all agree on, is that the term stinky is the LEAST OF OUR WORRIES BY MORE THAN 100%!!!!!!!!!!

gah.

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Let's see, Anna...

You first contend the referenced termonology raises some seriously negative imagry for you. This is followed by references to 'baby talk.' Then youthuflness is praised for creativity and energy while an adult using a proper and unpolitical noun (in context) is forcing policial corectness.

Have I got that about right, Anna? ; )
 

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I understand the term analog (or analogue) as a descriptor for cigarettes and it makes sense to me to call smoking tobacco "analog" and elements of vaping "digital". I dont personally use the terms though.
I build and tinker on my own tube/valve amps and fx pedals. Thats analog technology.
I also use digital multi fx and digital amp modeling for recording or going direct to desk when I gigged.
Analog vs digital seems to me to be quite an apt way to describe the difference between rolling my own cigarette and smoking it vs pushing a button on a mod with a digital interface and screen.
So, yeah, dude, bro, mang, totally get the analog vs digital descriptors.
 

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CB it's way to early for me for that question, but whatever you think I said, run with it. LOL.

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ETA: On second read, no you don't have it right. Try reading it out loud in a sarcastic tone, plus I don't think I have EVER heard a baby referred to as "juvenile" (although ANYTHING is possible in this crazy world) this is more like, reserved for teenagers in colloquial use.

Also, I think a mom changing her baby (I have done/been that) should technically call her baby whatever she wants, including buggles, whatever she NEEDS to get through it.

I don't personally care for stinky, I do care for juvenile but I think the one unifying thread through my post is like, "I don't HAVE to like it, but DO WHAT YOU WISH," which is like the opposite of political correctness and like also, PC sucks because everyone is supposed to be "able to like what is said" 100% of the time, which is a logical fallacy.

There are many worse words than stinky that I will defend to the DEATH your right to say it, even as you burn a cross as long as a human being is not attached to it.
 
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CB it's way to early for me for that question, but whatever you think I said, run with it. LOL.

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ETA: On second read, no you don't have it right. Try reading it out loud in a sarcastic tone, plus I don't think I have EVER heard a baby referred to as "juvenile" (although ANYTHING is possible in this crazy world) this is more like, reserved for teenagers in colloquial use.

Also, I think a mom changing her baby (I have done/been that) should technically call her baby whatever she wants, including buggles, whatever she NEEDS to get through it.

I don't personally care for stinky, I do care for juvenile but I think the one unifying thread through my post is like, "I don't HAVE to like it, but DO WHAT YOU WISH," which is like the opposite of political correctness and like also, PC sucks because everyone is supposed to be "able to like what is said" 100% of the time, which is a logical fallacy.

There are many worse words than stinky that I will defend to the DEATH your right to say it, even as you burn a cross as long as a human being is not attached to it.

Anna...always interesting if even sometimes curious to follow. I'm sure there are a window or two where it all makes sense. ; ) lol...maybe a frame around such a window or windows would enhane others' vision of your mindset.

'Juvinile (references)' and 'baby talk' both seem to be in the same direction (perhaps arguably from your perspective) from 'adult' (...and aren't we all adults here..?). Being an adult needn't be construed as lacking creativity, spontenaiety, nor imposing political correctness, nor impinging upon freedom.

'Cool insider language' is often just a put down. Some aren't 'cool' and part of the gang unless they are putting down something or somebody on the outside...casting a negetive light on something. Many of us know the connotations of the putting down of smokers as most of us have been there. Perhaps one significant reason "I" switched to e-cigs was the social stigma that goes along with smoking. While most of us vapers want to avoid cigarettes, does the use of termonology such as 'stinkies' put some people in the same catagory as those who need to cast stigma upon others? In doing so, does that put them in the same same social mindset as those who would (rightly or wrongly) condem vaping? ...putting others in a lower caste. Is someone using the term 'stinkies' telling others how they should think about (and thus restricting freedom of thought?) 'cigarettes.' Otherwise, as said earlier, 'useless editorializing.'
 
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I think we are having some sort of failure to communicate.

I could try baby talk but I can't bear to do it, and if you are asking me if I prefer the company of youth to adults, well quite frequently I do. Many times, they haven't been beaten down by the world yet. Adults are fine, I guess, some of them. Some of them really suck as do youth.

However, for me to state I find certain "juvenile traits" positive and the word "not insulting" does not imply "All mature adults are less than or that some of them DON'T have those attributes, gosh, just picture a Venn diagram I guess, there are way too many teens way too old for their years.

And if you think I don't like maturity that contains logic, order and whatever else, again I'm afraid you'd be wrong. I very much appreciate ALL those traits in my husband, there is no way on this Earth you would catch me doing my taxes VIA DEDUCTIONS although it most certainly is a worthwhile thing, and saves us thousands of dollars every year.

There are as many variations of people as there are terms for a cigarette (well more probably) I was just stating which camp *I* was in, which is the term stinky is not my preferred term, and it is a valid term, and also "juvenile" is not really an INSULT unless you CHOOSE to make it one. I don't think the term "adult" is particularly insulting either but if I'm being insulted, well, I'd prefer to be called immature than wrinkly and set in my ways. It's a personal preference.

Finally, the ENTIRE statement is MERELY about how political correctness is not only baseless, it's ridiculous because every term you use.... .It's an ever shifting target. I mean some black folks prefer black, some prefer African American but whatever, as long as you figure out what "word" your (whatever they call themselves) person prefers for you to use, (and, ahem, asking is a perfectly valid strategy in my humble opinion) and then remember it, no big whoop.

The tendency to take offense and to imply that acceptance of ONE dichotomy automatically PRESUMES the other is not equally valid, if not to me, then to SOMEONE, and that one can actually HOLD two or more dichotomies in mind, and reference BOTH of them, tends to be a sign of a more logical, black and white thinker. Not that there is anything wrong with that! I do NOT actually think "Hell is other people," hell is probably a world, surrounded by other MEs, who think talk act behave and offer the same knowledge and perspective. While I sometimes enjoy talking to myself, well, it can also get old if THAT is all you've got.

But MY priorities, preferences, etc. are equally as valid as the next person, and frankly, I'm allowed to have them and not have it be internally incongruent, because I am capable of working through dichotomies and also recognizing that if I hate "intolerance" well the people I most need to PRACTICE that on are the "intolerant" which I do with varying degrees of success since I don't want to be a HYPOCRITE but I am also a HUMAN being, not Christ our Lord and Savoir and whatnot.

I don't really know what else to say, other than I lived and worked in black communities for a long time. I was really happy they used the "N" word, and even happier when I was one day granted the permission to use it, and yes, it came about more or less how you'd THINK, my particular group well, one of them informed me that I was cool enough to use it and you had better believe I DID so, happily and fervently, although I was occasionally ridiculed for my accent, but trust me when I say I didn't mind a bit.

That's obviously a case by case thing though, I don't walk up to black people I don't know and LEAD with that word because that would be suicidal and insane. But yes, I have actually been the white woman who got to use the "N" word non ironically and I greatly enjoyed it, and words certainly MAY have power, but if your really want to know about Power and Whatnot, well, just know that the MORE importance you give a word (and I'm talking about the WHITE folks who DO use that word while burning crosses) well, the more unhappy people tend to get, since that word achieves a sort of pejorative status which is frequently what happens to words like accompanied by the smell of roasting flesh, I mean look at the Salem witch trials. NO ONE wanted to be a witch. Etc.

The fact that words can be culturally appropriated makes me happy, not sad and I'm super glad that a) my little band of "n's" could call themselves that (they just say it so GREAT) and even happier that I was offered a weak white woman's cultural prerogative to use it also, although I really saved it for momentous things I wanted my band to remember, and they usually did if I tacked the ...... on there because they found it hilarious and also knew that I was not going to pin them to a cross and freaking set the Group Room on Fire, screaming, "I've been hiding here in my robe and cape for several years, N's!!!!!!!!!!"

To be frank, you have to work hard, observe, and have a tough hide to get accepted into another culture and also swallow some rather unpalatable truths about... many things, but I believe it to be a worthwhile endeavor.

I have actually become increasingly DEFENSIVE about my whiteness and being heterosexual and of a certain age, but that is due to the increased, ever rising pressured like, discussion offered by PC groups, I remember when being of another sexuality was fun and cool and you could interact with certain groups WITHOUT getting censored every dang minute, even when I offer "You can certainly call me honky if you'd like, Monsour/madame of a differential gender status," and they'll claim I have white privilege, which both IS and ISN'T true, so there's really no way to win there. I can tell them all about my MI and what it has cost me in time, energy and life points but they won't care because they are in a defensive HUDDLE where only they are wronged, and wronged by ME even if their CURRENT life may be WAY BETTER than what I CURRENTLY have. No penis? Awww.... that's tough, I have NO TEETH. How much is it gonna cost you to convert? Well, dang, that is WAY less than all my mental health points totaled up in my life span, I feel so sorry for you. (Sarcasm.)

That is my point though, I do find that while certain wide general inequalities CAN exist, they don't ALWAYS exist and certainly not to the point that requires the sort of social engineering going on etc. However, it is equally true that with NO social change, a society can remain changeless and static and bad. Etc.

But I say that from a PERSONAL standpoint, not a cultural one, particularly. Everyone has a hard life it is part of BEING ALIVE and well, sure, we may THINK we can judge another person's life as "hard" but we really CAN'T, and not by comparing genitalia or skin color or immigration status, the only way to EVALUATE it is to actually inhabit and "evaluate" their consciousness, compared to your own, which for the LOVE of CHRIST I do NOT hope ever happens, one brain is annoying enough frankly.

But those would be some of my musings on why the term stinky while I find it kind of annoying I just really don't care either. Like use it if you WANT but it's not on the "Words you can't say on TV yet, or only certain ethnicities can say it on TV" list yet.. Like, I could have spent this whole time more productively I'm quite sure and also NOT quite awake yet.

But, I think to overanalyze things to THIS extent that THIS is the explanation I MUST GIVE?

Please just go vape/ecig/whatever and do it around the stinkies/smokers/analogs OR DON'T do it around the stinkies/smokers/analogues words have the power we give them, or don't give them and that is my main point.

I really miss being able to say the "N" word and I wish more black folks would come black up Tucson, well I guess soon to be Sierra Vista because I really miss having black folks to befriend quite frankly, I have found as an overall sociological grouping they're fun, they're funny we share many of the same values, etc. Somehow, I just never got there with Latinos/Spanish/Mexican whatever YOU WANT ME TO CALL you I mean NO OFFENSE to them but I just don't happen to have the same deep and abiding connection, why that is I have NO CLUE, I certainly am not offensive to the folks that I meet but I don't get the culture all that well and I'm never learning Spanish and well, whatever the Mexican and Latina culture around I don't find particularly interesting sense of humor is not so great, and honestly, no I don't approve of you beating your kids, although unless you leave marks, well, there's nothing I can do about it. I do find Mexican art/OMG EXCEPT MUSICA/creativity./ability to do things on a shoestring budget admirable and etc. If you've never seen a Mexican Moving Truck, you owe it to yourself to go find a picture of one, and it's probably QUITE similar to how I would pack if left on my own for more than a minute, etc. So I do share SOME values, but not all of them. Etc.

Also I LOVED Costa Rica, but that's not Mexico, either and it was a long time ago.

Words have the power that are granted by both self and society and so it has always been and so it shall always be. Etc.

Not sure if I should post this, but I don't find anything particularly offensive about it, so I am going to.

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Is that juvenile enough for ya? Lol
Yeah, I'll just stick to calling them what ever pops into the head on the day, coffin nail, coffin tack, cancer stick, stink weed, ounce of cancer, stinky, lung buster, death stick..... thats the sort of things I called them while I used them for 42yrs, theyre all applicable.
 

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Yeah, I'll just stick to calling them what ever pops into the head on the day, coffin nail, coffin tack, cancer stick, stink weed, ounce of cancer, stinky, lung buster, death stick..... thats the sort of things I called them while I used them for 42yrs, theyre all applicable.
I, too, smoked for 42 years. I freaking love vaping. I love the flavors, i sub ohm DTL the hell out of it. Gimme nicotine now. Lol. Big tobacco can keep their poop sticks.
 

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Wow good thing I'm not too active in this forum because I'm about to be brutally honest here. I just want to say respectively that I believe people who call them "stinkies" is a creative way to help people publically give cigarettes a bad name. And even though I don't call them that, I respect those who do because unpopularizing tobacco products is the right thing to do. But what I see here with you guys is honestly a bunch of cranky old men who want to complain about something petty. Stop. It's okay to be annoyed at stupid words people make up but it is for a good cause and I think you need to drop it. Calling it "juvenile" makes sense I guess but you're obviously complaining about it. Something that quite honestly doesn't need to be complained about.
 

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You do realize vaping products are legally considered to be tobacco products too.

I don't agree with every post made here on the forum either but I certainly wouldn't tell someone not to post their own opinion.

And yes I am a cranky old woman. I couldn't stay young forever. :(:laugh:
 
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    ..thats the sort of things I called them..
    I'm not cool either, I just called them cigarettes, and still do and always will. I used the phrase 'feeding the monkey on my back a Camel' quite often though.
     
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    I don't consider juvenile to be an insult.

    I don't use the term stinky as political commentary and to invite society to change it.

    I also didn't see anything but a really tantrummy person who appears to think she can decide what is best for everyone, decide what is "good" for society, what "words" are okay, what "discourse" is okay, and who believes she reads minds....

    @Kamnet , I mean HILLARY, I didn't know you cared! So good to meet another secret communist vaper. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

    That "Rules for Radicals" dude has a lot to account for in the afterlife. A whole just social ill worth of stuff.

    Writing it in English and using "buzzwords" like "stinky" and "Obamacare" and stuff doesn't mean it's not Nazi propaganda under another name.

    Participate, kiddo don't just try to shut your elders down, although I'm pretty "juvenile" if you ask me and number of times I have used the term "stinky" in a geopolitical multicultural context would be zero times.

    Mah God.

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