Straws now obsolete!? Simple discovery!

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voltaire

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Newbie here, but I've made what I believe may be an important discovery for cart mods currently using straws as a sort of shelf to support plugs of various types. This discovery is probably also useful for all sorts of other mods not even involving straws. I have no idea if anyone has ever discovered or posted about this before, but if they have, then I don't see why anyone would be still using straws to support a plug of wicking material.

This is using a 510 whistle tip cart, I have no experience with any other type.

First, you just need a thin paperclip or something that will fit in the small hole in the mouthpiece you inhale through. It helps if you put a slight bend at the very end of the paperclip. Stick it in the hole, and pull the tip of the mouthpiece out. Yes, it comes out, it's not just one solid piece.

Now that you have that out, and you look deeper down into the hole where it used to be, you'll see another little hole the same size as the one you just used to pull that piece out with. That's another removable piece - use the paperclip to do the same thing again and pull that sucker out of there also. Now you've got two little pieces out of the end of the mouth piece.

So here's the simple discovery: Both of these two pieces fit *PERFECTLY* into the atty-side of the cart!!! If you take the second smaller piece and push it down into the atty-side of the cart, it will automatically stop at the perfect height to put a small plug of your favorite wicking material on top of it. And it will support that plug a hell of a lot more securely and precisely than a straw ever would. Plus, you don't lose space in the cart from putting the straw in there.

Now, I haven't even tried this in practice yet. I literally *just* made this discovery. But I imagine that the existing hole will probably need to be drilled larger, but maybe not I dunno, but that should be simple. I have zero experience with this stuff, and have never done any kind of mod at all - I've only been vaping for a week.

Additional Notes:

-You'll most likely want a syringe to refill with, unless you feel like pulling the piece out everytime - which should still be easy as long as you have a paperclip properly bent at the very end. A metal dental pick or lock pick would be a more elegant solution for doing this regularly, particularly if the hole does need to be made considerably larger.

-When drilling the hole larger, it will probably best be done with the piece in place in the cart so as to hold it in place. Since you'll be sacrificing a cart anyway to get the donor piece from, you don't have to worry about drilling too far, getting little pieces of plastic in the cart, or damaging the donor cart by holding it with pliers or a vice while drilling.

So whatcha think? Are straws now obsolete?
 

voltaire

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Thinking about this a little more...

This may be better with an actual wick of some sort inserted into the hole extending all the way down into the reservoir and poking up out of the hole. This would better deliver juice to the plug of foam or whatever. Or with the right kind of wick, you could even eliminate the foam completely and deliver the juice straight to the bridge.

I wonder what Zippo lighter wicks are made out of, and if they would work well with e-juice. (and be safe, of course)

I'm telling you, the perfect fit of this little piece of plastic opens up a whole new world of possibilities. I need you experienced modder types to help me brainstorm on this.
 

eclypse

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If you read one of my early posts in that same scottyballs ZFM mod, i mention doing the same thing.

I ended up hollowing it out and then setting 2 of the cap plugs on top inorder to make good contact with the atty bridge. No one seemed to care and figured someone already figured that out or something.. hehe.

At first it is a extremely tight fit.. but you can use the end cap plastic piece to help push it down in.

Yeah by itself the hole is too small.

EDIT: Sorry its ealry and i just got up.. lol.

Another couple of problems with using the plastic piece for a bridge.

Having plastic close to the bridge.. if its all the way down to the inner lips down in the cart it may be alright though. Would have to test it.

The other prob is that the edges of the piece may clog up the flow of juice.

Again.. those things would have to be tested.

I thought of using it with the hole and a hole in the back side of the cart for a dripping cart mod.
 
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eclypse

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This must only apply to whistle-tips,right? I sure don't see where a round tip would work and have no whistles to look at.

Yeah thin tips only as the parts inside are round on the round carts.


Update: I have tried it out with a blue foam plug.. Seems to work ok.. though my plug is too small and its leaking hehe. Though below the bridge it did look empty which is good. No idea if theres any melting of the plastic though.. prob not as it would taste as bad as a melting cart and we all know what thats like!
 

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I saw it eclypse, there are so many Ideas flying around in there I dont have time to adress them all, Im sure you understand that with the slug thread...;)

I thought it was a bit much to do just for a ledge, so I been doing somthing else.. I have not posted about it yet did not think it was really that big of a deal.. but Ive been taking a straw and cutting it to I dont know did not mesure it, but I think it was around 3-4mm and put it in the cart till it hit the lips inside the cart, eliminating the 90% of the straw.. thoe Im not really getting much more juice in the cart maybe a drop 2 at the most..
 
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eclypse

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I saw it eclypse, there are so many Ideas flying around in there I dont have time to adress them all, Im sure you understand that with the slug thread...;)

I thought it was a bit much to do just for a ledge, so I been doing somthing else.. I have not posted about it yet did not think it was really that big of a deal.. but Ive been taking a straw and cutting it to I dont know did not mesure it, but I think it was around 3-4mm and put it in the cart till it hit the lips inside the cart, eliminating the 90% of the straw.. thoe Im not really getting much more juice in the cart maybe a drop 2 at the most..

I know what you mean.. sometimes its better to post pictures of new ideas as it would help them stick out in the thread hehe.

Ok.. That sounds like a good idea as well.. though i'd be worried about the straw metling.. though its probably not an issue behind that plug you got.
 

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Ok, so I guess there's no such thing as a totally original thought.

I don't think there will be any problem melting, because if you push the piece down as far as it will go, it seems to be just deep enough to be ok. Plus the filler material will go on top of it to isolate it from the bridge. I imagine that it might be a problem if the juice were allowed to run dry and the atty started to overheat. Just like with the stock setup, the juice functions as a coolant - you just have to be aware not to keep sucking on a dry and overheating atty.

Now, thinking about the wick idea, I believe that holds some good potential. Besides the Zippo lighter wick, I was thinking about using some braided SS wire that's slightly "unbraided" or loosened up to wick a bit better. But then I thought of the bridge. If I had an extra dead atty lying around (I don't) I would try to yank/cut that bridge out of there as intact as possible and use that for a wick. With a high bridge, that might be just the right length to run down the hole to the bottom of the reservoir to wick juice directly up to the atty bridge.

I'm thinking that you could leave the existing center hole as-is for using to refill with a syringe needle. With the little nipple on the other side of it, it will resist fluid from passing through it, but still allow air to pass to prevent a possible "vacuum" effect from not allowing the juice to flow. Then just drill a new hole to the side to use for the wick. It will be a tight fit, but just may work with careful drilling. A small dremel tool would probably be best.

If I had spare parts besides my starter kit I would be in there trying some of this stuff, but right now with two of everything +5 prefilled carts, I'm waiting on another order I have on the way before I start tinkering.

BONUS:
After skimming some of the ZFM thread, I have an idea for using the left over cart-cap scrap for a comfort mod on a whistle tip. Once you've cut out the end of the cap, you can use what remains to slip over the whistle-tip mouthpiece. This feels more comfortable on my lips and allows you to more comfortably bite down on the tip with your teeth to hold in your mouth. It's so simple, I bet someone out there has already done this too, lol.
 

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BONUS:
After skimming some of the ZFM thread, I have an idea for using the left over cart-cap scrap for a comfort mod on a whistle tip. Once you've cut out the end of the cap, you can use what remains to slip over the whistle-tip mouthpiece. This feels more comfortable on my lips and allows you to more comfortably bite down on the tip with your teeth to hold in your mouth. It's so simple, I bet someone out there has already done this too, lol.

:rolleyes:We have been doing that since the 60's...

















J/K I dont think anyone has done that Congrats!!..:D
 

eclypse

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I got this working good now with the blue foam plug. Prob is that i'm getting a weird plasticly taste now.. prob is the foam as its now too close to the coil at its natural thickness of 1/4 thick. i could either try thinning the foam out but it would be tough to get a good clean cut or better thin out the plastic boarder around the plastic cap. I figure if i end up flattening it out it will sit lower. I could just flip the plastic disk around and then it will be lower but with it that way the lip around the plastic disk prevents the foam from making a good solid seal around the cart walls.

heh if i didnt have kids right now.. this would be done.

I wish this could be used with the silicone plug but its too thin. I've already tried that long ago and i had to double up the silicone to make it touch the bridge and i dont think that would be ideal.

If you could find some other silicone that is thicker it would rock.

EDIT: Bad taste is now gone! lol.. i guess its been that long since i've done that but i guess i didnt wash the foam that good the first time being in a hurry to try it. All good and working well.
 
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eclypse

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When I take the inner plug out of a whistletip and put it into the atomizer end, it's such a tight fit that it expands the plastic and won't fit into the atomizer. What am I doing wrong?

I had the same prob when i first did this.. what you need to do is use the very end cap first. Shove that down it first and it will stretch the cart out. Its easier to start with the end cap as its taller.

I got this down for thick juice.. trying it with thinner PG juice now and so far so good.

Though i'm sure at High voltage, it may cook the foam.. but we'll try that in a few if i get a chance.
 

voltaire

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I got this working good now with the blue foam plug. Prob is that i'm getting a weird plasticly taste now.. prob is the foam as its now too close to the coil at its natural thickness of 1/4 thick. i could either try thinning the foam out but it would be tough to get a good clean cut or better thin out the plastic boarder around the plastic cap. I figure if i end up flattening it out it will sit lower. I could just flip the plastic disk around and then it will be lower but with it that way the lip around the plastic disk prevents the foam from making a good solid seal around the cart walls.

Yeah, you can get the little piece down even lower by sanding or grinding off the lip. (dremel probably best) Since it's such a tiny piece, to make working with it easier you can try pushing the larger piece from the whistle-tip down the atty end of the donor cart. Force it down so that it is just slightly lower than the end of the cart. Now you can put the smaller piece in so that the lip is now protruding from the end of the cart, supported from underneath by the larger piece. That should make it much easier to work with when using a sander, grinder, or whatever. Since you're using the donor cart to do this, you don't have to worry about going too far and grinding the edge of the cart itself.

If I make it sound easy, and it's not - sorry, that's cuz I haven't actually done it yet. First, I figure i'll let someone else slip and sand off the skin on their fingers! :D
 

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Great discovery! I love taking "stuff" apart to see what you can make from it. Any ideas of "wicking" material, just gets you back to the orginal idea. The more empty space you have at the bottom of the cart the better, it just flows. Even the modifications I've come up with still go back to the orginal ADM carts which work so well because the juice has a clear flow to the filler material at the top.

Fortunately, I have some new carts on the way, so I think at least one of my whistle carts has very limited life expectancy.

--Prof Daffy
 

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Okay. I'm new here but have been vaping since last July. I'm not sure if I did this right but I'm loving the results.

I'm using a whistle top cart on a 510. I took both little pieces out of the cart. I put the smallest piece into the atty side of the cart with the little hole facing outward. I used a syringe to poke through that little hole and fill the empty cart with liquid. Then, I used a tiny amount (maybe 1/3) of the white wicking material and placed it on top of the small piece that is now inside of the atty side of the cart. The material soaked up some of the liquid but I added another drop to be sure. I put the original little piece back in it's original position on the other end of the mouth piece and I'm vaping away.

Seems to me that this method creates a chamber full of liquid that used to be taken up by the wicking material. That liquid is constantly supplying the tiny amount of wicking material left and I'm now refilling less. I also hold my e-cig at a downward 45 degree angle which probably helps this method a little. I'll continue to vape and see what happens.

I was looking for something different as I am sick of refilling every few minutes. I'm going to a concert this weekend and it will be extremely difficult to refill and inconvenient to to carry lots of carts.
 
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