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No one can determine what you should spend except you. I own KFLs and did not see where replacing them for 120 euro was worth the money. For anyone who does not have a kayfun, the K4 should be a consideration. You can pick up an authentic KFL Plus from inTaste or Cloud 9 for much cheaper and see how you like it and move to the K4 later if you feel it is worth the money. You'll get a wide variety of opinions on how much better the K4 is (if any) versus the KFL. Some have already sold theirs claiming it wasn't very good. others think it is awesome.

This is so true. I would hate to recommend something, and that person not feel it was worth it. Everyone has different experiences.

For me, the cost was worth every cent. I see value in the airier draw, the ease of building/wicking (priority for me), top filling and the hybrid conn. Some of you know exactly how you like a KFl build, and have the skill to set it up to your liking every time. I did not have this experience with it. The V4 has a lot more going on, but I have found it about the most noob friendly rebuildable of my small collection. The taste and vape production is always the same for me and never the dreaded dry hit when I chain. If all my gear was stolen, I wouldn't be able to order a new v4 fast enough.
 

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This is so true. I would hate to recommend something, and that person not feel it was worth it. Everyone has different experiences.

For me, the cost was worth every cent. I see value in the airier draw, the ease of building/wicking (priority for me), top filling and the hybrid conn. Some of you know exactly how you like a KFl build, and have the skill to set it up to your liking every time. I did not have this experience with it. The V4 has a lot more going on, but I have found it about the most noob friendly rebuildable of my small collection. The taste and vape production is always the same for me and never the dreaded dry hit when I chain. If all my gear was stolen, I wouldn't be able to order a new v4 fast enough.
Totally agree. The added airflow was a huge selling point for me. I hadn't picked up my KFL+ in a while because my tastes had changed and I didn't like how restricted it had come to feel. JC with top fill and the ability to remove the deck without emptying the tank, yes please.

The flavor and vapor I get out of this thing, wide open mind you (haven't installed my S-kit yet, been loving it too much as is) is better than my KFL+...in my opinion. Obviously on the vapor production front it isn't close with all the extra airflow, but for the taste to still be so excellent with the added AF is why I love it so much.
 
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I was impressed with the KFV4. I already want a second one

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This is so true. I would hate to recommend something, and that person not feel it was worth it. Everyone has different experiences.

For me, the cost was worth every cent. I see value in the airier draw, the ease of building/wicking (priority for me), top filling and the hybrid conn. Some of you know exactly how you like a KFl build, and have the skill to set it up to your liking every time. I did not have this experience with it. The V4 has a lot more going on, but I have found it about the most noob friendly rebuildable of my small collection. The taste and vape production is always the same for me and never the dreaded dry hit when I chain. If all my gear was stolen, I wouldn't be able to order a new v4 fast enough.

Very true. This is why I too hate to respond to queries regarding (1)which is better, (2)what's your fav, (3)if there's a fire and you need to run which one you'd pick up(!) and the likes ;) Everyone's different, each has his/her own tastes and priorities ~ so how do we fit two in the same template?
 

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Very true. This is why I too hate to respond to queries regarding (1)which is better, (2)what's your fav, (3)if there's a fire and you need to run which one you'd pick up(!) and the likes ;) Everyone's different, each has his/her own tastes and priorities ~ so how do we fit two in the same template?
I'm always right, and as long as everyone knows that when reading my thoughts on things, they will be fine
 

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Look what just came in a couple hours ago (referring to the SX Mini, I've had the K4 since the second week of December, hehe)...the K4 is an absolute pleasure to vape on this thing, very nice indeed.

I'm still messing around with power modes and watts in this thing, but it's been a treat vaping the K4 in this bad boy for the last half hour or so.
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How is it?!
I really wanted to get one but funds tight atm as got the k4.
What are you're first impressions on the yihi?
 

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Awesome!!!
How is it?!
I really wanted to get one but funds tight atm as got the k4.
What are you're first impressions on the yihi?
It is a really nice little mod. Feels great in the hand and fit and finish are top notch, definitely looks and feels worthy of its price tag. Probably even more so when compared to other similar mods in its general price range.

I'm still testing out the power modes but I can already tell they add another dimension.

Everything considered , this is definitely a great mod, even with my limited time using it so far. Really happy I made the purchase. I can confirm that all the praise this thing gets from other forum members is warranted. Looking forward to getting a lot more hands on time with it over the next few days though.
 

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Totally agree. The added airflow was a huge selling point for me. I hadn't picked up my KFL+ in a while because my tastes had changed and I didn't like how restricted it had come to feel. JC with top fill and the ability to remove the deck without emptying the tank, yes please.

The flavor and vapor I get out of this thing, wide open mind you (haven't installed my S-kit yet, been loving it too much as is) is better than my KFL+...in my opinion. Obviously on the vapor production front it isn't close with all the extra airflow, but for the taste to still be so excellent with the added AF is why I love it so much.

I chose the K4 with the extra airflow in mind, among other reasons. I don't have it yet, but I was wondering something. Lets say I put the same build in the K4 as I use in my KFL, a 1.5ohm 28ga micro @ 3/32" dia. Will the extra airflow in the K4 allow me to use more wattage on that same build to get more vapor? I know the answer should be yes, but this is my first attempt at producing more vapor than I've had with the KFL. I get enough with the KFL, but I wanted a little more from the K4.
 

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I chose the K4 with the extra airflow in mind, among other reasons. I don't have it yet, but I was wondering something. Lets say I put the same build in the K4 as I use in my KFL, a 1.5ohm 28ga micro @ 3/32" dia. Will the extra airflow in the K4 allow me to use more wattage on that same build to get more vapor? I know the answer should be yes, but this is my first attempt at producing more vapor than I've had with the KFL. I get enough with the KFL, but I wanted a little more from the K4.

You can always try using higher wattage. That's the easiest of the two options I see.
The second option is to build a bigger diameter coil...more coil surface area = more vapor. And with more native airflow, the KF4 can certainly handle a bigger coil.
You can do that second option a few ways. I chose to keep the same gauge wire, but do less wraps around a larger drill bit.
I was using 7 wraps of 28g wire, on a 3/32" bit AKA 2.4mm... 1.3 - 1.4 ohms.
Now I'm using 5 wraps of 28g wire, on a 7/64" bit AKA 2.8mm... 1.3 - 1.4 ohms.
My next project is to try 5 wraps of 26g, on a 1/8" bit AKA 3.175mm (or 3-3.2mm if you prefer to round up or down). With this lower gauge wire, I expect to have to up the wattage. Lower resistance = thicker wire = more metal to heat up.
I'm hoping to stay in the 1.4 - 1.6 ohm range...the flavors/juices I like seem to work best there...plus that seems to be the performance sweet spot for my mod/battery combo of choice...P3 with AW batteries.
 
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You can always try using higher wattage. That's the easiest of the two options I see.
The second option is to build a bigger diameter coil...more coil surface area = more vapor. And with more native airflow, the KF4 can certainly handle a bigger coil.
You can do that second option a few ways. I chose to keep the same gauge wire, but do less wraps around a larger drill bit.
I was using 7 wraps of 28g wire, on a 3/32" bit AKA 2.4mm... 1.3 - 1.4 ohms.
Now I'm using 5 wraps of 28g wire, on a 7/64" bit AKA 2.8mm... 1.3 - 1.4 ohms.
My next project is to try 5 wraps of 26g, on a 1/8" bit AKA 3.175mm (or 3-3.2mm if you prefer to round up or down). With this lower gauge wire, I expect to have to up the wattage. Lower resistance = thicker wire = more metal to heat up.
I'm hoping to stay in the 1.4 - 1.6 ohm range...the flavors/juices I like seem to work best there...plus that seems to be the performance sweet spot for my mod/battery combo of choice...P3 with AW batteries.

I tried the same build as my 28ga, except I used 26ga in the KFL. Same wraps and diameter, but of course wire is thicker and resistance was 1ohm instead of 1.5. It worked OK but I think it might work better in the K4 with the extra airflow and some extra wattage. I guess I get to experiment. Fun stuff. If you find a sweet spot with the K4 and P3, feel free to share =)
 

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I tried the same build as my 28ga, except I used 26ga in the KFL. Same wraps and diameter, but of course wire is thicker and resistance was 1ohm instead of 1.5. It worked OK but I think it might work better in the K4 with the extra airflow and some extra wattage. I guess I get to experiment. Fun stuff. If you find a sweet spot with the K4 and P3, feel free to share =)

Honestly, I'm really liking the 5 wrap, 28g, 2.8mm coil, 1.4ohms...I'm using that at 10 watts.
That was my coil learning curve...now I've got to relearn how to wick it properly. Doing a KFL build just didn't work for me on the KF4...especially since someone mentioned that more airflow might need a bigger coil.
 

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I use 28g 2.4mm 8 wraps 1.4 ohms on my KF3.1's and am liking 26g 3mm 9 wraps 1.24 ohms on the KF4. 27g 2.4mm 9 wraps 1.2-1.3 ohms was good on the KF4 too, but 27g is an odd one and most people won't have it. I only do because it was sold to me as 28g.

The worst KF4 coil I tried was 28g 2.4mm 7 wraps 1.2 ohms, I found not enough surface area for the larger airflow and a dry, muted taste. But fewer wraps are working for others, so it's certainly an individual thing.

I certainly think the KF4 needs a larger surface area and larger diameter coil, and a bit more power than previous KF's.

Re the questions on whether to buy a KF4: that depends on expectations and funds. If spending $200 ish over $100 ish for a KFL is a big issue or you can't afford or justify an extra $100, then it probably isn't worth it. I wouldn't say it's twice as good in all areas to warrant twice the cost, if that's the way one looks at things.

If you want one however, and $200 ish won't break the bank, then go for it! You're unlikely to regret it. If you don't like it, you can always sell it for close to what you paid; it's not as there aren't plenty of potential buyers at the moment.

The taste is on par with the KF3.1 / KFL. Some say better, some worse. I think it's extremely similar, if slightly different. Some flavours will be slightly enhanced, some slightly muted. Filling is much easier than previous KF's and leaks are extremely minimal. If you like more airflow and lower ohms than is generally within range of an earlier KF, then definitely buy a KF4. It's far more versatile than previous versions.

All in all, I'd encourage people to buy one, especially those who like Kayfuns or would like to get into building one, whilst remembering that everyone has different tastes, desires, and expectations.
 

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How do you get to the deck or coil without emptying the tank?

When juice control is open, turn KF4 upside down, unscrew chimney part C26 from juice control ring part A5. It usually helps to insert a small screwdriver in one of the air intake holes to get them apart. Easy! :)
 

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I posted on another forum. I got my order from self e-steam in 2 days :DView attachment 402051. The first Kayfun I got from cloud 9 and during the Christmas rush. It took 9 days. Welp time to build and giggle like a little girl. :vapor:

Damn! And all that gear from Konstantine too?!? Somebody is excited!
(Konstantine is the guy from Atmistique...or at least the only one I've ever had contact with!)
 
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