SXmini M Class (TEMP CONTROL)

[TheotherSteveS]

No TC mod currently marketed is designed to operate with TI. Some are using TI and adjusting accordingly to get a good vape. You can't expect the same results using TI that you expect from nickel as you are using the mod in a way it was not designed. But those going outside the box with vaping can spark more innovation, I think, as that is how VV,VW, and TC came about....

I highlight your thread for those who want to read it..... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...titanium-wire-vaping-safety.html#post15566666

that is true. I am indeed adjusting T to compensate (very approximately) for the difference in TCR of Ti vs Ni. As I said, however, the DNA40 boxes work very well with Ti. I am not saying theye are better than the SX, just that the way the SX deals with a drycoil condition is different (it seems to check with a power pulse then cuts power and reports dry coil, then it does it again, and again. DNA40 chokes back power to 1 or 2 watts and keeps firing). For some reason, the way the SX does things doesnt work as well. Yes, this is beyond the design spec of the SX and I am not complaining at all! I will continue to use Ti on the DNA40-derived/inspired (!) devices and wait and see if yihi address the Ti issue with a firmware update perhaps in the future!

Thanks for posting the link!!!

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Lord quit with the titanium wire already.

Titanium wires for vaping

Thius is dealt with in the link posted by retird below where it is discussed in full...

 

[retird]

that is true. I am indeed adjusting T to compensate (very approximately) for the difference in TCR of Ti vs Ni. As I said, however, the DNA40 boxes work very well with Ti. I am not saying theye are better than the SX, just that the way the SX deals with a drycoil condition is different (it seems to check with a power pulse then cuts power and reports dry coil, then it does it again, and again. DNA40 chokes back power to 1 or 2 watts and keeps firing). For some reason, the way the SX does things doesnt work as well. Yes, this is beyond the design spec of the SX and I am not complaining at all! I will continue to use Ti on the DNA40-derived/inspired (!) devices and wait and see if yihi address the Ti issue with a firmware update perhaps in the future!

Thanks for posting the link!!!

Vaping is always being improved and new things keep being brought so it's not out of the realm of possibility to see new technology that may let you select the wire being used in TC. Thinking outside the box a bit but what if a coil is encased thus isolated from the wicking and a probe inserted to measure the temp of the enclosure with the enclosure transferring heat to the e-liquid. Would it matter the wire type as you would be measuring actual temperature the enclosure is transferring? Coils would not get gunked up and the enclosure surface could be easily cleaned. Just me rambling outside the box...LOL

 

[tchavei]

I'm in the UK and curious about TI wire what's the best sized guage to give it ago and where it to buy it? Europe as a preference looks like Stealthvape sold it but due to various concerns they have withdrawn it from sale.

Any links and info would be good I read the tempreture is all out and you are required to set it to approx 40C / 100F lower.

If I am not mistaken YiHi has not mentioned anything on TI with the 350J so why is there an expectation it will work without issues?

Zivipf in Germany has certified grade 1 titanium. Shipping is cheap.

I use 28g.

Regards
Tony

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[a tez]

how are you guys doing on battery life? i've used a flask for a while (dual 18650) so i'm wondering if im gonna have to swap out the battery at some point during the day. i'm a chain vaper. that being said, I've been using my rDNA 40 and it lasts until the late evening

I have a Hana V4m and a Vapor Flask 2.1 as well as the SX Mini. The Hana out of the 3 gets the least amount of battery life (1800mah LiPo), followed by the SX Mini (with a VTC4). My Flask with 2 VTC4s will still be at about 75% battery by the time my SX Mini needs to be recharged.

I don't own an rDNA, but I saw a video of a guy saying the only thing he likes about his rDNA more than the SX Mini was that he gets much better battery life.

 

[Vlad1]

I asked before but didn't really get an answer but why are you even trying different wire than these devices were designed for? Does Ti have the same resistance curve as Ni200 as it's heated? If it's not then you would have to have a loose set of parameters in the logic to even use it.

I mean if I buy a car that runs on unleaded I'm not going to go to the gas station and fill it up with diesel. Will it run on diesel? Yes at least on a carburated car "Don't ask me how I know" but not very good and not very long before the spark plugs are fouled. Because they weren't designed for it.

 

[a tez]

Have you used the new Lemo 2 on it? I am thinking of getting one but haven't made up my mind and they are not too available just yet. Yeah, I am loving the device too!

Get it. It is amazing with ni200.

No, I don't have the lemo 2. I'm sure that I'll get one at some point though since my 4 original one's perform so well.

I have a Lemo Drop and a Lemo 2. Lemo 2 kills the Lemo Drop, and the Lemo Drop was better than the original Lemo.

 

[jhawk]

Between the VTC4, Samsung 25r and AW IMR, would appear the best longevity is the 25R

 

[a tez]

Between the VTC4, Samsung 25r and AW IMR, would appear the best longevity is the 25R

It should. Although I when I asked a few pages back I saw someone post they are getting 22k Joules out of a 25r. I have consistently been getting 24k Joules or more out of my VTC4s and that's not even with a full drain. I have some 25rs coming in the mail tomorrow so it will be interesting to see what I get with that.

I'm sure different resistances play a big factor into this due to the amount of voltage being used.

 

[Firecrow]

I asked before but didn't really get an answer but why are you even trying different wire than these devices were designed for? Does Ti have the same resistance curve as Ni200 as it's heated? If it's not then you would have to have a loose set of parameters in the logic to even use it.

I mean if I buy a car that runs on unleaded I'm not going to go to the gas station and fill it up with diesel. Will it run on diesel? Yes at least on a carburated car "Don't ask me how I know" but not very good and not very long before the spark plugs are fouled. Because they weren't designed for it.

I don't believe Ti wire has the same characteristics as Ni wire and therefore the calculations for temperature limiting when using Ti will be inaccurate. That being said, if the correlation between the Ti and Ni wires is consistent, you should be able to theoretically calculate an offset and while the mod won't display or limit Ti accurately by display, you should be able to achieve it by mentally calculating the offset when you look at the mod.

Thats total speculation - if there is no correlation then that theory is inapplicable. But as far as I know, all TC systems out there are indexed against Ni and don't consider Ti. Hope that makes sense.

 

[Vlad1]

No buzz at 0.088, 0.092 or 0.11. All between 18-20j 400F

I am unable to hear it in normal conditions however my kids could. I have now found a way for me to hear it and would be interested to see if you can as well by doing the following.

Using a empty plastic 30 ml e-juice bottle with cap on.
Place the bottom of the bottle on the left side holding firmly against the SXmini
Then put the bottle top in your ear firmly while holding against the SXmini
Hit the fire button. What do you hear?

It seems to me to be easier to hear on the left hand side but I can still hear it on the right.

 

[Firecrow]

I found this on a google search; it applies to the rNDA40 and TC but I am not sure if its applicable to the SXMM - without knowing if the TC strategy is the same, its hard to say this will work, but here it is for what its worth:

I saw Bradon on VTTV say they could have used Ti, but that doesn't mean you can as the DNA40 is calibrated to NI it would be way out. With Ni starting at 20 C your resistance doubles at 177 C (350 F), but for Ti it would double at 282 C (540 F).

 

[tchavei]

I don't think we should discuss Ti here (we have another thread for it) but there are several people using it successfully.

The temperature / resistance curve is similar to ni although not linear. From ambient to 100C (212F), the resistance increase is very very similar (both will boil water at a displayed temp of 210-212F).

In the temperature zone we usually vape, there is an approximate difference of 100F

If you enjoy a certain liquid at 230C / 446F with a ni coil, there are very good chances you will enjoy the same with a Ti coil set at 180C / 356F.

Why use Ti?

There was a time people were stoned for trying out cotton in an atty, contact coils were heresy and rayon people would melt in an agonizing death.

It's called thinking out of the box.

Yes, no current device supports Ti out of the box but maybe some day they will.


My two cents


Regards
Tony

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[Vlad1]

I don't think we should discuss Ti here (we have another thread for it) but there are several people using it successfully.

The temperature / resistance curve is similar to ni although not linear. From ambient to 100C (212F), the resistance increase is very very similar (both will boil water at a displayed temp of 210-212F).

In the temperature zone we usually vape, there is an approximate difference of 100F

If you enjoy a certain liquid at 230C / 446F with a ni coil, there are very good chances you will enjoy the same with a Ti coil set at 180C / 356F.

Why use Ti?

There was a time people were stoned for trying out cotton in an atty, contact coils were heresy and rayon people would melt in an agonizing death.

It's called thinking out of the box.

Yes, no current device supports Ti out of the box but maybe some day they will.


My two cents


Regards
Tony

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I agree it probably shouldn't be a topic here. I've not seen anything stated that would incline me to use it since I know the algorithms in the devices are specific to Ni200.

If "It's called thinking out of the box" is the main purpose it probably should be discussed in an experimental thread.

 

[HolmanGT]

I am unable to hear it in normal conditions however my kids could. I have now found a way for me to hear it and would be interested to see if you can as well by doing the following.

Using a empty plastic 30 ml e-juice bottle with cap on.
Place the bottom of the bottle on the left side holding firmly against the SXmini
Then put the bottle top in your ear firmly while holding against the SXmini
Hit the fire button. What do you hear?

It seems to me to be easier to hear on the left hand side but I can still hear it on the right.

Ah... The Ocean.

 

[dems86]

Ah... The Ocean.

YiHi SX-Mini CS-Class (Conch Shell)

 

[Vlad1]

Ah... The Ocean.

lol.

But really is that all you hear? I strongly believe all of these devices are making the sound just some are not able to hear it like me.

 

[dems86]

lol.

But really is that all you hear? I strongly believe all of these devices are making the sound just some are not able to hear it like me.

That thought crossed my kind too. Not everyone can hear certain frequencies, and age, exposure to loud noises, etc...can all affect one's hearing.

 

[2legsshrt]

I guess I just don't understand if this mod works so well on NI200 why would you want to use Ti. I wrapped a twisted Kanthal and NI200 wire and it is sitting on my desk to remind me of what I was thinking. Of course the ones who recommended it are also the ones who started all the crap about RIP. I haven't tried it yet but thought I might on my rDna40. I have learned a lot on here and when I get mine next week I will have a good starting point. Thanks all. I so hope I am not disappointed like I was with my VS. It is a great VW mod though and since I will still be using some Kanthal builds it won't go to waste and I might sell it to someone who likes them and get another M. I have wanted nickel to work so bad since it first came out with the DNA and had almost given up. I have made some great flavors that use very little flavoring 2% and I only use 3mg nic so almost completely VG and PG I think it will work well on nickel to keep from getting gunked up. I really haven't read too much bad about the device so heres hoping. I am going to start off with a 29awg spaced coil at 7 wraps 3mm id on a Kanger STM. God I hope it works. Think I will start off about 15J at 400 and will have everything on my body crossed and hoping for the best.

 

[HolmanGT]

lol.

But really is that all you hear? I strongly believe all of these devices are making the sound just some are not able to hear it like me.

I am seventy years old and worked on Fighter Jets, in Saw Mills and was a Trap-shooter for years. I consider my self lucky I can still hear the TV.