Tank-O-Matic Liquinator v4.1

[MediocreTrombonist]

A can't recall for sure, but has anyone mentioned how well the horizontal coil cartos work? (Kanger, Bloog, etc.) I'm curious about trying the Kangers because I haven't hear anything about them. However I don't want to try any cartomizer that won't work in the Liquinator...

I said this before, but I feel like I should say it again: for the 3.7 big batt users, I recommend the 1.25 ohm DCs

 

[Vaporologist]

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I said this before, but I feel like I should say it again: for the 3.7 big batt users, I recommend the 1.25 ohm DCs

I just received a pack of these from COV over the weekend. It took about an hour or so to break in and yes, they pack a pretty nice punch with the right battery! And I agree, an 18650 or a smaller IMR batt is a must with these.

 

[Jejune43]

Any updates on flavors that are not compatible with tanks?

 

[my4jewels]

Any updates on flavors that are not compatible with tanks?

Some of these are premixed juices, some are flavorings that DIY'ers use. Contributions have been made by myself and other members. So far we have:

Any juice that has:

Sour flavors
Malic acid
Citrus acid
Cinnamon like "atomic cinnamon" types, not warm cinnamon like cinnamon coffe cake, this is okay
Wintergreen juice or flavoring
TPA ripe banana flavoring
TPA honeysuckle flavoring
TPA maraschino cherry flavoring
TPA cherry blossom flavoring
TPA root beer flavoring
Mrs. T's strawberry shortcake, snickerdoodle
KBV Hummingbird nectar
mimosa(because of the orange)
cola(because of cinnamon)?
Vapor Renu Teaberry, cherry vanilla (possibly most of their flavors)
Oil based/e liquid that conains essential oils, when mixed with pg/vg, creates esters which will crack plastics
E liquids that contain triacetin, used in vg liquids to carry flavor more effectively
Vapalicious Gooey Butter Cake


I just noticed that Perfumer's Apprentice lists triactetin as in ingredient in some of their flavors, so be sure to check that out.

 

[Jejune43]

Will using these juices pretty much equal tank failure? Or does it happen at random? I really love atomic cinnamon juices, but I am afraid to put it in my tank.

Some of these are premixed juices, some are flavorings that DIY'ers use. Contributions have been made by myself and other members. So far we have:

Any juice that has:

Sour flavors
Malic acid
Citrus acid
Cinnamon like "atomic cinnamon" types, not warm cinnamon like cinnamon coffe cake, this is okay
Wintergreen juice or flavoring
TPA ripe banana flavoring
TPA honeysuckle flavoring
TPA maraschino cherry flavoring
TPA cherry blossom flavoring
TPA root beer flavoring
Mrs. T's strawberry shortcake, snickerdoodle
KBV Hummingbird nectar
mimosa(because of the orange)
cola(because of cinnamon)?
Vapor Renu Teaberry, cherry vanilla (possibly most of their flavors)
Oil based/e liquid that conains essential oils, when mixed with pg/vg, creates esters which will crack plastics
E liquids that contain triacetin, used in vg liquids to carry flavor more effectively
Vapalicious Gooey Butter Cake


I just noticed that Perfumer's Apprentice lists triactetin as in ingredient in some of their flavors, so be sure to check that out.

 

[my4jewels]

I don't use cinnamon juices, so I can't tell you for sure. A lot of this info has been reported to me from other members' firsthand experience.

Will using these juices pretty much equal tank failure? Or does it happen at random? I really love atomic cinnamon juices, but I am afraid to put it in my tank.

 

[tonyorion]

I am not so sure that TPA Ripe Banana and TPA honeysuckle cause failures on the Liquinator, although they were reported as problematical. It's not my intention to question the sincerity of the OP, but there are other factors which may cause the cracking problem.

Polycarbonate is notoriously bad in many chemical environments; don't panic with the word "chemical" since foodstuffs are chemicals. Coke is a chemical as is olive oil, baking soda, etc yet we ingest these foods daily. I am just a nerdy chemical engineer who is trying to put this into perspective.

Amorphous plastics like polycarbonate are happiest in environments that are not too stressful. You pay a price for the clear tubes. Crystalline plastics like Delrin and HDPE are much better in chemical environments, but they are not clear.

The problem, IMHO, is probably caused by the poor surface finish of the tube ends. Another bad feature of amorphous plastics is that they really suffer under the notching effect which is any nick, cut or scratch in the surface. My guess is that in a rush to keep up with demand, not a lot of attention was paid to sanding down the ends of the tube. Glass is amorphous as well.

The best example I can give is "cutting glass", although the overwhelming majority of glass is not cut, it is broken.. All you need is a simple score mark to break the glass along a nice clean line, even a curved one.

And it does not take much of a notch to form a stress point. An unfinished edge from a sawblade cut would be enough. I polished the ends of my Liuquinator with very fine grit sandpaper.

 

[my4jewels]

I am not so sure that TPA Ripe Banana and TPA honeysuckle cause failures on the Liquinator, although they were reported as problematical. It's not my intention to question the sincerity of the OP, but there are other factors which may cause the cracking problem.

Polycarbonate is notoriously bad in many chemical environments; don't panic with the word "chemical" since foodstuffs are chemicals. Coke is a chemical as is olive oil, baking soda, etc yet we ingest these foods daily. I am just a nerdy chemical engineer who is trying to put this into perspective.

Amorphous plastics like polycarbonate are happiest in environments that are not too stressful. You pay a price for the clear tubes. Crystalline plastics like Delrin and HDPE are much better in chemical environments, but they are not clear.

The problem, IMHO, is probably caused by the poor surface finish of the tube ends. Another bad feature of amorphous plastics is that they really suffer under the notching effect which is any nick, cut or scratch in the surface. My guess is that in a rush to keep up with demand, not a lot of attention was paid to sanding down the ends of the tube. Glass is amorphous as well.

The best example I can give is "cutting glass", although the overwhelming majority of glass is not cut, it is broken.. All you need is a simple score mark to break the glass along a nice clean line, even a curved one.

And it does not take much of a notch to form a stress point. An unfinished edge from a sawblade cut would be enough. I polished the ends of my Liuquinator with very fine grit sandpaper.

Thanks, Tony, for the insight. We need a "nerdy chemical engineer" to help out here. It does seem like a coincidence, though. But I'm not here to argue, just to help other folks through my experience. It is a coincidence juice that banana flavor cracked 2 tubes, no problem with my other juices. I have been cutting some extra tubes, and I tried that same juice again, and the tank started to get hairline cracks. Perhaps it's a combination of circumstances coming together.

What is your take on the homemade syringe tank mod? In your humble opinion, will this material be better suited to the application?

 

[jed]

Some of these are premixed juices, some are flavorings that DIY'ers use. Contributions have been made by myself and other members. So far we have:

Any juice that has:

Sour flavors
Malic acid
Citrus acid
Cinnamon like "atomic cinnamon" types, not warm cinnamon like cinnamon coffe cake, this is okay
Wintergreen juice or flavoring
TPA ripe banana flavoring
TPA honeysuckle flavoring
TPA maraschino cherry flavoring
TPA cherry blossom flavoring
TPA root beer flavoring
Mrs. T's strawberry shortcake, snickerdoodle
KBV Hummingbird nectar
mimosa(because of the orange)
cola(because of cinnamon)?
Vapor Renu Teaberry, cherry vanilla (possibly most of their flavors)
Oil based/e liquid that conains essential oils, when mixed with pg/vg, creates esters which will crack plastics
E liquids that contain triacetin, used in vg liquids to carry flavor more effectively
Vapalicious Gooey Butter Cake


I just noticed that Perfumer's Apprentice lists triactetin as in ingredient in some of their flavors, so be sure to check that out.

buzzkill found a pdf that lists some liquids not friendly with polycarbonate....you need to include nutmeg and clove oil

SO you are saying that the Cinnamon juice EATS polycarb ????? man I would not vape that if I were you But I am not so !

Polycarb is bad ... stuff it is used for nasty chemicals etc. read this http://www.gallinausa.com/pdfs/polycarb.chemical.resistance.pdf

page 5 etc.

Wait page 11 , nutmeg and clove oil = BAD !!! hummm never knew that.

 

[Vaporologist]

I've been curious about this topic. I dilute 1 part LorAnn Cinnamon Oil with 1.5 par PGA and add this mixture to my all-day juice (6%) and that's what's been in my LQ every day since day one (about 6 weeks). I've been using the original tube that came with my LQ starting at the end of July with no problems or any signs of cracking. Keeping my fingers crossed...

 

[GAC]

I am not so sure that TPA Ripe Banana and TPA honeysuckle cause failures on the Liquinator, although they were reported as problematical. It's not my intention to question the sincerity of the OP, but there are other factors which may cause the cracking problem.

Polycarbonate is notoriously bad in many chemical environments; don't panic with the word "chemical" since foodstuffs are chemicals. Coke is a chemical as is olive oil, baking soda, etc yet we ingest these foods daily. I am just a nerdy chemical engineer who is trying to put this into perspective.

Amorphous plastics like polycarbonate are happiest in environments that are not too stressful. You pay a price for the clear tubes. Crystalline plastics like Delrin and HDPE are much better in chemical environments, but they are not clear.

The problem, IMHO, is probably caused by the poor surface finish of the tube ends. Another bad feature of amorphous plastics is that they really suffer under the notching effect which is any nick, cut or scratch in the surface. My guess is that in a rush to keep up with demand, not a lot of attention was paid to sanding down the ends of the tube. Glass is amorphous as well.

The best example I can give is "cutting glass", although the overwhelming majority of glass is not cut, it is broken.. All you need is a simple score mark to break the glass along a nice clean line, even a curved one.

And it does not take much of a notch to form a stress point. An unfinished edge from a sawblade cut would be enough. I polished the ends of my Liuquinator with very fine grit sandpaper.

That is a great tip, I actually trimmed a little of one of my tanks off today for a better fit with my cartos. I guess I will run down to the depot and grab some sand paper, thanks.

 

[GAC]

I saw the link for the inner o-rings but does anybody no where to get the o-rings to go between the cap and the tube. Its a aluminum liquidnator if that makes a difference. Thanks for any help, just bought one used and it has blue o-rings and I want black.

 

[beezer]

Can't you just get o rings from a hardware store or are these special ones?

 

[m00nshake]

Can't you just get o rings from a hardware store or are these special ones?

I'll take my extra orings (both inner and outer) to the hardware store today and find out if these can be purchased and if so, what sizes they both are.

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[tonyorion]

The plastics engineers call the non mechancially induced cracking in plastics ESCR, Enviornmental Stress Cracking. In any event, you have to add heat and concentration to the equation.

While I have had no issues with honeysuckle or ripe banana from TPA, it does not mean that others will not, since they may enjoy a higher concentration or be hard vapers which would cause the liquid to heat up; the heat would promote cracking.

While polymer chemists can do a guesstimate on ESCR by grouping families of chemicals, the only real way to tell is by doing empirical work. As someone who was assigned this wonderful task as a newbe engineer, I can say that it is about as much fun as watching grass grow. Food flavorings are really complex compounds so it makes the predictability even harder.

In essence, this does not answer anyone's questions because the only real answer is to pick a material other than polycarbonate. One person on another forum on tanks made the statement that if a liquid attacks a material that is bulletproof, imagine what it will do to your lungs. It is the equivalent of saying that if lead resists radiation, we should make the wings of an airplane out of lead. Cooking oil will attack polycarbonate over time.



Someone asked about syringes would be much more resistant, but they are made from different pastics. They will not be clear and would not be as tough as the polycarbonate, but in all honesty the tank should not see a lot of mechanical stress.

I hope that I have not confused anyone, but this is a very complex topic with no easy answers.

 

[beezer]

The plastics engineers call the non mechancially induced cracking in plastics ESCR, Enviornmental Stress Cracking. In any event, you have to add heat and concentration to the equation.

While I have had no issues with honeysuckle or ripe banana from TPA, it does not mean that others will not, since they may enjoy a higher concentration or be hard vapers which would cause the liquid to heat up; the heat would promote cracking.

While polymer chemists can do a guesstimate on ESCR by grouping families of chemicals, the only real way to tell is by doing empirical work. As someone who was assigned this wonderful task as a newbe engineer, I can say that it is about as much fun as watching grass grow. Food flavorings are really complex compounds so it makes the predictability even harder.

In essence, this does not answer anyone's questions because the only real answer is to pick a material other than polycarbonate. One person on another forum on tanks made the statement that if a liquid attacks a material that is bulletproof, imagine what it will do to your lungs. It is the equivalent of saying that if lead resists radiation, we should make the wings of an airplane out of lead. Cooking oil will attack polycarbonate over time.



Someone asked about syringes would be much more resistant, but they are made from different pastics. They will not be clear and would not be as tough as the polycarbonate, but in all honesty the tank should not see a lot of mechanical stress.

I hope that I have not confused anyone, but this is a very complex topic with no easy answers.

huh ??? :-/

 

[vanttila]

Hey guys! I'm sure the answer to my guestion is somewhere in this thread, but by quickly browsing through i couldn't find it.

I've had my liquinators for a few weeks now, and i absolutely love them. The only problem is with the longevity of the cartos. I use boge sdt resistance cartos, and i punch them myself. I only get like a day out of them (=3ml), before i get that horrific burnt taste. And after i get that taste, that carto is done. Haven't found nothing that could save them. What am I doing wrong? I punch two holes in the carto, on opposite sides, i puch the just enough to pierce the metal.

Thanks for your help.

 

[Vaporologist]

Hey guys! I'm sure the answer to my guestion is somewhere in this thread, but by quickly browsing through i couldn't find it.

I've had my liquinators for a few weeks now, and i absolutely love them. The only problem is with the longevity of the cartos. I use boge sdt resistance cartos, and i punch them myself. I only get like a day out of them (=3ml), before i get that horrific burnt taste. And after i get that taste, that carto is done. Haven't found nothing that could save them. What am I doing wrong? I punch two holes in the carto, on opposite sides, i puch the just enough to pierce the metal.

Thanks for your help.

From my personal experience, Boge cartos seem to need a larger hole to be fed properly since the filler in them is pretty dense. A slot may work better than a punched hole unlike for DC cartos where a small punched hole seems to work much better. If you feel that you carto is not feeding fast enough to keep up with the juice consumption, you could do a few hard cold pulls (without firing the button) every so often... I personally cannot get more than two days from Boge cartos in the LQ.

 

[vanttila]

Thank you very much!

I've tried taking a few pulls without firing, i gets the carto wet for sure. The problem is, that the carto's pretty good for a day or so, but then suddenly it tastes burnt. At that point, getting the filling damp doesn't help anymore. I'm using quite a big nail to punch them and it seems to distort the carto a bit, could this be a problem? I mean, if i destroy something on the inside by using too much force on it. Tho i only punch them until i hear the metal crack, not giving it any extra bangs.

I guess what i'm trying to say is that it amazes me every time, that a perfectly working carto just suddenly starts tasting burnt, gives no indication of that beforehand, i can't feel any "wearing out". One draw is perfect, the next (and the ones after that) is just awful. I've been reading about ppl who get several weeks out of one carto and i'm barely making thru one day.

 

[tyleris12]

Thank you very much!

I've tried taking a few pulls without firing, i gets the carto wet for sure. The problem is, that the carto's pretty good for a day or so, but then suddenly it tastes burnt. At that point, getting the filling damp doesn't help anymore. I'm using quite a big nail to punch them and it seems to distort the carto a bit, could this be a problem? I mean, if i destroy something on the inside by using too much force on it. Tho i only punch them until i hear the metal crack, not giving it any extra bangs.

I guess what i'm trying to say is that it amazes me every time, that a perfectly working carto just suddenly starts tasting burnt, gives no indication of that beforehand, i can't feel any "wearing out". One draw is perfect, the next (and the ones after that) is just awful. I've been reading about ppl who get several weeks out of one carto and i'm barely making thru one day.

What voltage device are you using? Could that have something to do with it? It's strange, because I use the Boge 2 ohm cartos and mine last well over a week and I'm usually changing them because the taste dulls, not because the carto is bad. I use my carto tanks on my Provari anywhere between 4.4V to 4.6V. I also vape only 100% VG juices, tho they are thinned for me by the supplier.