Tank-O-Matic Liquinator v4.1
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I use a dark 50% PG 50% VG. I use the same DIY juice all the time.
pull out the old one, and put the new one in. There's a few videos out there.
I'm using Halo liquids (Smooth 8 and Freedom) and never had them gunk up an atty... fairly thin stuff. The precut cartos that burned were a pretty wide cut. What I'm doing now isn't cut very wide. Seems to be wicking great (running through liquid fine, and flavor is ok).
Grammie, I think I'm going to start filling them if that's how you're having success with them.
@ M00nshake, I don't know what you're really asking...
Grammie, I think I'm going to start filling them if that's how you're having success with them.
@ M00nshake, I don't know what you're really asking...
Put the new carto on threads of the old carto that's in the tank and push the old carto up & out of the tank. No juice lost, or just minimal juice lost.
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If you are asking about replacing the old carto with a new one while your Liquinator is filled with juice, I simply place the bottom of the new carto (threaded side) into the top of the old carto which is still in the liquinator (DT removed) and push it through. It's really simple and minimal juice spillage, a couple of drops at the most that need to be wiped off from the bottom...
I'm using Halo liquids (Smooth 8 and Freedom) and never had them gunk up an atty... fairly thin stuff. The precut cartos that burned were a pretty wide cut. What I'm doing now isn't cut very wide. Seems to be wicking great (running through liquid fine, and flavor is ok).
Grammie, I think I'm going to start filling them if that's how you're having success with them.
@ M00nshake, I don't know what you're really asking...
What I do is stick the carto in the tank part of the way and then fill the carto til you see the juice at the slot. Then I fill the tank from the bottom.
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Here's an update for the Provari liquinator users... More for Provari but whatever. I don't want to post this in the Provari thread cause of there new batteries thingy... I know a lot of us use the Provari with the liquinator so I though I would share. I picked up two 2900mah AW 18650's... They have the "No Nipple" positive top. I talked with a guy from lighthound when I went to pick them up. I asked about them compared to the 2600mah one and he said there was a big difference. I don't remember the exact words but he said something to the effect of how the 2900's are a bit different make up then the 2600. He said the battery runs MUCH longer then the 2600 even though there is only a 300mah difference... They were several dollars more then the 2600's... I bought 2 (little over $18 each) and here is my findings so far. Please bare in mind that I vape between 3-5 mils a day. I put one in fresh off the charger at 7pm last night (went out with Myrkos drinking and partied playing rockband till 3 in the morning... Vaped my .... off the entire time...) And its now after 2:30 pm the next day and my CB currently is reading 3.8 as I type this. I will keep it in until it starts flashing and update once that happens...
Moon, I have done a "Hot swap" where a carto dies and I put a new one in the tank still filled with juice with no problems... Just grab your new carto and take the connection end and push it through the loaded carto in the tanks connection end until you achieve most of the new carto inside the tank, pull the old carto completely out and work the rest of the new carto into position.... I have not spilled a drop of liquid doing this ever.
Moon, I have done a "Hot swap" where a carto dies and I put a new one in the tank still filled with juice with no problems... Just grab your new carto and take the connection end and push it through the loaded carto in the tanks connection end until you achieve most of the new carto inside the tank, pull the old carto completely out and work the rest of the new carto into position.... I have not spilled a drop of liquid doing this ever.
I'm getting this as well. I've topped it off several times, later it looks completely white and dry again. ??
That's just how it goes... If you adjust the liquinator draw by pushing it all the way down so there is barely any air flow at all you can syphion the juice up to the top of the filler... It will need to be repeated if you wanna have the filler wet all the way to the top... Other wise, don't worry about it, that's just how it works...
I'll have to check into the 2900mah AW 18650's. I only use AW IMR 1600mah's now. Do you know the "C" rating of the 2900's?
I went with Myrkos to lighthound and he asked the same question...i don't know jack about what a C rating is, the guy didn't know...
Can't find the C Rating but the Maximum Discharge Rate for the AW 2900 is 5.8 amps while the AW IMR 1600 is 20 amps. The IMR's are safer chemistry as well and don't require a protection circuit.
The "C" rating is a multiplier used with the batteries mah that will tell you what the safe current draw of the battery is.
Ok, I rarely post here because I usually I am on another forum but my conscience won't let me sit idle while I see a lot of people are having troubles with their cartoz. That being said, I will chime in with some helpful tips which may help a few. For those of you who don't me from Nu-Vapor, I am not a mr. "know it all" but I have been vaping for over 4 years and have tried just about every invention out there.
I have the delrin 5mm and the SS 5ml liquinators and use only the smoktech brand dual coil mega lr cartoz. I have tried others like boge, bauway, ce2 etc but the smoktech's seem to be the best so I will stick to tips concerning only those.
The Smoktech's can last weeks if you know how to use it, the biggest cause of failure is user error or lack of maintenance. I have been using these for months and so far not a single carto has ever been DOA and has never "shorted" out. The PV I am using is a Precious-LV2 set at 4volts under load, the juice is 100% VG Boba's Bounty and Gorilla juice by Avejuice.com.
Starting with a new 1 or 2 slotted carto(I prefer 1 slot), install in the liquinator as usual, fill with your choice of liquid but do not install on your PV yet(reason for this is to prevent accidentally pressing the power button out of habit). After this is done, do some inhaling on the drip tip until you see your carto saturated up the the very top and take note that most of the liquid in your tank will be gone. This may take a few minutes and a lot of sucking because the carto does hold almost 2ml of liquid.
When this is done, install liquinator on your PV, remove drip tip and carefully slide your tank upward just enough so there is room to fill the tank with a hypodermic needle. Try not to tilt the tank and keep the carto straight, if you tilt it to the side, more than likely it will leak juice from the bottom. Fill the liquinator 75% full or as much as you can without going over the top of the carto. When this is done, inhale and make sure that you can hear and feel a little gurgling. If you feel absolutely no resistance or gurgling, take a few more inhales without powering on your PV until it is felt.
After you absolutely sure that your brand carto is slightly over saturated, take a steady but slow drag with the power button depressed. The reason for this is, the very first inhale can determine if you are going to get that dreaded "burnt" carto taste or not. Many times I have accidentally pressed my power with my brand new carto not fully saturated and had to start off with that disgusting burnt taste.
Now that you should of started off with a fully saturated carto, the trick now is to make sure it stays this way. This is where paying attention can make for a carto that can last weeks, so every 10 drags or so, do some visual inspections and confirm that adequate liquid can be seen from the top. If not, all that you need to do is to do some inhales without pressing the power until that slight gurgle is felt and liquid can be seen from the top. Easy to do if you just remember!!!!!!
Note: if carto is flooded, remove liquinator from PV, tilt upside down to make sure that slot is not submerged in liquid and blow excess into a paper towel.
I also see that people are having problems with cartoz being blocked. The dual coil cartoz have a 2 piece flexible "cloth" like ceramic/fiberglass tube in the center which can get misaligned at times and "dry" burning can create a burnt thick black liquid in the tube. Make sure that you can see light at the other end, if not then some practice with a straight paper clip will be needed but do not try this unless absolutely necessary. If you have to do it, insert the paper clip from the bottom and spin carto in the process. Do not force the paper clip or you will separate the 2 tubes and the carto will be history. Wipe the paper clip on a paper towel to check if your liquid is burnt, if it is, either you are taking drags that are too long, your voltage is set too high or your carto is not being sufficiently saturated.
You can also clean your cartoz up to a point, for those of you who want to save a few bucks, Smoktek.com does stock a cleaning kit which allows you to reuse your cartoz. Kit costs $6.95 which can pay for itself within the first 3 cartoz you clean. Carto/Atty Cleaner Kit - Control Syringe, Luer-lock,10ml - Cartomizer Cleaner / Filler w/cleaning tube
Note: :I have nothing to do with this ECF supplier but from what I have read, the owner runs a pretty straight forward company. I am just trying to help people save a few bucks. Also, I use water to clean the carto instead of Vodka since I don't drink. Seems to work just as well, just be sure to dry them out thoroughly before use.
Hope this can help some people, I hate to see unnecessary suffering by some while others are enjoying their liquinator virtually trouble free.
Aloha, Keith
I have the delrin 5mm and the SS 5ml liquinators and use only the smoktech brand dual coil mega lr cartoz. I have tried others like boge, bauway, ce2 etc but the smoktech's seem to be the best so I will stick to tips concerning only those.
The Smoktech's can last weeks if you know how to use it, the biggest cause of failure is user error or lack of maintenance. I have been using these for months and so far not a single carto has ever been DOA and has never "shorted" out. The PV I am using is a Precious-LV2 set at 4volts under load, the juice is 100% VG Boba's Bounty and Gorilla juice by Avejuice.com.
Starting with a new 1 or 2 slotted carto(I prefer 1 slot), install in the liquinator as usual, fill with your choice of liquid but do not install on your PV yet(reason for this is to prevent accidentally pressing the power button out of habit). After this is done, do some inhaling on the drip tip until you see your carto saturated up the the very top and take note that most of the liquid in your tank will be gone. This may take a few minutes and a lot of sucking because the carto does hold almost 2ml of liquid.
When this is done, install liquinator on your PV, remove drip tip and carefully slide your tank upward just enough so there is room to fill the tank with a hypodermic needle. Try not to tilt the tank and keep the carto straight, if you tilt it to the side, more than likely it will leak juice from the bottom. Fill the liquinator 75% full or as much as you can without going over the top of the carto. When this is done, inhale and make sure that you can hear and feel a little gurgling. If you feel absolutely no resistance or gurgling, take a few more inhales without powering on your PV until it is felt.
After you absolutely sure that your brand carto is slightly over saturated, take a steady but slow drag with the power button depressed. The reason for this is, the very first inhale can determine if you are going to get that dreaded "burnt" carto taste or not. Many times I have accidentally pressed my power with my brand new carto not fully saturated and had to start off with that disgusting burnt taste.
Now that you should of started off with a fully saturated carto, the trick now is to make sure it stays this way. This is where paying attention can make for a carto that can last weeks, so every 10 drags or so, do some visual inspections and confirm that adequate liquid can be seen from the top. If not, all that you need to do is to do some inhales without pressing the power until that slight gurgle is felt and liquid can be seen from the top. Easy to do if you just remember!!!!!!
Note: if carto is flooded, remove liquinator from PV, tilt upside down to make sure that slot is not submerged in liquid and blow excess into a paper towel.
I also see that people are having problems with cartoz being blocked. The dual coil cartoz have a 2 piece flexible "cloth" like ceramic/fiberglass tube in the center which can get misaligned at times and "dry" burning can create a burnt thick black liquid in the tube. Make sure that you can see light at the other end, if not then some practice with a straight paper clip will be needed but do not try this unless absolutely necessary. If you have to do it, insert the paper clip from the bottom and spin carto in the process. Do not force the paper clip or you will separate the 2 tubes and the carto will be history. Wipe the paper clip on a paper towel to check if your liquid is burnt, if it is, either you are taking drags that are too long, your voltage is set too high or your carto is not being sufficiently saturated.
You can also clean your cartoz up to a point, for those of you who want to save a few bucks, Smoktek.com does stock a cleaning kit which allows you to reuse your cartoz. Kit costs $6.95 which can pay for itself within the first 3 cartoz you clean. Carto/Atty Cleaner Kit - Control Syringe, Luer-lock,10ml - Cartomizer Cleaner / Filler w/cleaning tube
Note: :I have nothing to do with this ECF supplier but from what I have read, the owner runs a pretty straight forward company. I am just trying to help people save a few bucks. Also, I use water to clean the carto instead of Vodka since I don't drink.
Seems to work just as well, just be sure to dry them out thoroughly before use.Hope this can help some people, I hate to see unnecessary suffering by some while others are enjoying their liquinator virtually trouble free.
Aloha, Keith
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This is a great battery comparison here 18650 battery test 2011. Its alot of detail but if you stare at it long enough you can start to get it!
As I understand the "C" rating represents the maximum safe amps you can draw from the battery without straining it (which can be dangerous I guess, but it definitely reduces the battery life).
For Lithium-Cobalt type batteries (which protected batteries are) C = 2 x mah (milli-amp hours). So for a 2900, the maximum draw is 2 x 2900 or 5800 milli amps or 5.8 amps.
According to Provari, the max amps during operation of the provari is 4.4 amps. This includes amps going to the atty (max 2.5) PLUS amps required to boost the battery from, say, 3.8 volts to 6.0 volts. The 2900 can easily handle that. A 2200 protected battery could also just make it.
That's why the use of the high drain is required on most batteries for ecigs, but when you get up to the 18650s the highdrains become less necessary.
If you look at the tests at the links above, the AWIMRs can handle 20 amps! This is because the are Lithium Manganese and the C ratings are much higher for this chemistry. This is at least 4x more than you will ever need, and these batteries don't last as long as the LiCo batteries (LiMn I guess dont have the storage capacity of LiCos).
Keep in mind, though, that some battery brands overstate their mah ratings AND apparently some cheap batteries don't adhere to the C = 2 x mah rule because, well because they are cheap. They have high internal resistance. Thats why testing is important.
The AWs and Redilasts are the best, the other brands can vary depending on the model, (some trustfires are good).
As I understand the "C" rating represents the maximum safe amps you can draw from the battery without straining it (which can be dangerous I guess, but it definitely reduces the battery life).
For Lithium-Cobalt type batteries (which protected batteries are) C = 2 x mah (milli-amp hours). So for a 2900, the maximum draw is 2 x 2900 or 5800 milli amps or 5.8 amps.
According to Provari, the max amps during operation of the provari is 4.4 amps. This includes amps going to the atty (max 2.5) PLUS amps required to boost the battery from, say, 3.8 volts to 6.0 volts. The 2900 can easily handle that. A 2200 protected battery could also just make it.
That's why the use of the high drain is required on most batteries for ecigs, but when you get up to the 18650s the highdrains become less necessary.
If you look at the tests at the links above, the AWIMRs can handle 20 amps! This is because the are Lithium Manganese and the C ratings are much higher for this chemistry. This is at least 4x more than you will ever need, and these batteries don't last as long as the LiCo batteries (LiMn I guess dont have the storage capacity of LiCos).
Keep in mind, though, that some battery brands overstate their mah ratings AND apparently some cheap batteries don't adhere to the C = 2 x mah rule because, well because they are cheap. They have high internal resistance. Thats why testing is important.
The AWs and Redilasts are the best, the other brands can vary depending on the model, (some trustfires are good).
I'm using thick 100% VG juices so just dropping some into my cartomizer isn't really cutting it for me. I've had to inject the juice using a syringe for new cartos and even then I'm getting some dry hits. I think I'm sending mine back.
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