TC: Any reason against it?

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suprtrkr

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For people who like it, no downside at all. Personally, I have tried it (repeatedly) but find I neither want it nor need it. I am a really good coil builder and I can gain the control advantages of TC by building a coil yielding them naturally, without requiring a computer circuit to handle the matter for me. I don't even need a VW mod; I can do it on a mech. For me, I've been doing it so long now it's no trouble at all. In fact, it would feel odd to build a coil for anything without considering thermal mass and ramp time and surface radiated power and so forth. For others, though, this is more effort than they care to put forth; some (most?) would rather use drop in coils and not build at all.

While there isn't much in the way of a downside (now Ni200 wire has been rightfully consigned to the dustbin of history) there are plusses and minuses. Assuming you already know why you might want to, the minuses are basically you get what you pay for: if you want really good TC, you'll part with some solid bucks for the right board. And, to take advantage of the top-of-the-line board you just paid for, you'll find there's a bunch of adjustment settings to make to get it tweaked just exactly so, and that this tweakage varies by juice and vape power range. Change juices? Change the settings. Use the same juice at 50 watts and 100 watts? Different settings. Once you get it locked in it's easily repeatable-- good boards allow you to save a certain number of settings, and you can also write them down-- but finding it can require as much finicky fiddling as me building a coil. This is, however, only if you want to obtain the maximum flavor you can get out of your juice, the optimum mod and battery life utilization, and if you feel like futzing with it. If all you want TC to do is stop getting dry hits, a cheap board and pretty much any old middle-of-the-road settings will do.
 

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Eh, TC is so 2015..

If that is so, then call me retro :p

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45W on a DNA200 hits suspiciously similar to 45W on a SX330v3SL
2 year old tank on a 3 year old mod.

TC works best with fresh coils IMO.
I installed the SS430 coils in this one a couple of months ago.
When they get more than a few weeks old then TC only works well for a few ml after clean/glow/brush/rewick. I'll install fresh coils when they start glowing from one end instead of the middle.
TC taught me that I was vaping too hot @ ~80W to feel safe about it.
I'd like better cloudz than 45W-55W provides but the flavor changes @ hotter.

I'll take "That's friggin good" over endless tweaking. That's my point of diminishing returns as someone that likes things great but simple and reliable.
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IMHO the major downside to using TC is making sure your mod that claims to do TC, actually does it correctly. For any mod that claims to do TC, watch the reviews of it by DJLsb and PBusardo as they are the ONLY ones that actualy test the TC function with an oscilloscope to make sure. I have seen some mods that are WAY off (like by 400F) from what you set them to, so those are NOT good to use for TC.

As to why I prefer TC it's simple. If you look at the top chart below, the vertical black line is Temperature and the Horizontal is Time. In Wattage mode the the temp curve of the coil is going to look something like the red line. If you build your coil and set the wattage so that it peaks at the temp you want to vape at (blue line) you are going to have a slower ramp up time. If you build and set the wattage so that you hit your desired temp quickly (green line) then, if you take too long of a puff, you will overshoot that temp and potentially overheat your juice.

There is no way around that other than using TC which when done properly can achieve results like in the bottom chart so you can get BOTH fast ramp up and a peak temp right where you want it without risk of overheating.

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Now that I’ve started using an RDA and an RTA on my two iStick Picos 75, I’ve realized that I can easily switch to temperature control, if I use the right coils. It seems to me that there are only upsides to TC, and it’s basically a no-brainer to switch to it. Or is there a significant downside that I’m missing?

I mostly TC vape and I can tweak the hit to be exactly the way I want it. Coil building is the same as normal, but you have lower ohm coil. One thing to be aware of is tank conductivity. Variances in resistance mechanically or by temperature can make it have hot or cold spikes. I test new tanks to see if it meets my personal spec of no more than 0.002 ohm of deviance. More than once I’ve pulled a new tank apart and polished the connecting parts and especially threads to fix the issue. Once you get setup in TC mode there just isn’t a downside to it. I use 316L stainless in a Troll RTA and never have any issues. You will want a mod that rates well for TC use.
 

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Now that I’ve started using an RDA and an RTA on my two iStick Picos 75, I’ve realized that I can easily switch to temperature control, if I use the right coils. It seems to me that there are only upsides to TC, and it’s basically a no-brainer to switch to it. Or is there a significant downside that I’m missing?
No reason not to try it out its for vapors who really like to fine-tune there vape
 

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One of the biggest problems with new users to TC is the mod. The mass market junk from Smok and iJoy offer TC as a selling feature except they have a very poor implementation of it that is basically unusable. People try TC on one of those mods, have a unsatisfactory experience and chalk up TC as being a waste of time.

It's not until they try TC on a decent chipset such as a DNA, YiHi (top end version) or even one of the Joyetech/Wismec/Eleaf mods using Arctic Fox firmware before they have a good experience with TC.

I guess my iStick Pico belongs to the former category (has TC, but you wouldn’t recommend it)?
 
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I guess my iStick Pico belongs to the former category (has TC, but you wouldn’t recommend it)?
I use TC on my Pico all the time. Arctic Fox firmware works much better than the stock firmware does for TC. I always had a problem getting the Pico to recognize and give the New/Old coil question with stock firmware.

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Your mod can be switched to artic fox firmware. If you switch to that firmware, TC will work fairly well.
Neat! I just finished installing Arctic Fox, and if nothing else, this will definitely make it a lot easier to set it up.
I’m quite new to the whole DIY thing, I’m still learning and experimenting to build the ‘perfect’ coil for each of my two atomizers. Once I’m happy with my coils and my wicking, I will test TC ;)
 

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IMHO the major downside to using TC is making sure your mod that claims to do TC, actually does it correctly. For any mod that claims to do TC, watch the reviews of it by DJLsb and PBusardo as they are the ONLY ones that actualy test the TC function with an oscilloscope to make sure. I have seen some mods that are WAY off (like by 400F) from what you set them to, so those are NOT good to use for TC.

As to why I prefer TC it's simple. If you look at the top chart below, the vertical black line is Temperature and the Horizontal is Time. In Wattage mode the the temp curve of the coil is going to look something like the red line. If you build your coil and set the wattage so that it peaks at the temp you want to vape at (blue line) you are going to have a slower ramp up time. If you build and set the wattage so that you hit your desired temp quickly (green line) then, if you take too long of a puff, you will overshoot that temp and potentially overheat your juice.

There is no way around that other than using TC which when done properly can achieve results like in the bottom chart so you can get BOTH fast ramp up and a peak temp right where you want it without risk of overheating.

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I can get both fast ramp up and peak temp right where I want it without risk of overheating by using a custom power curve in ArcticFox. It's simpler to use than TC because the curve automatically scales correctly with the wattage in VW mode, and, it works with Nichrome 80, which, right off the bat, ramps up and cools down faster than SS so that makes the curve an even more effective choice compared to TC, and, for me, TC either just vapes the same as VW or else it makes for an anemic vape experience. But I'm with @suprtrkr on this because mech mods are all I ever use nowadays excepting only every once in a blue moon when I feel like doing something opposite to what I always do.
 
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