TC beyond Ni200: Nickel Purity, Dicodes; Ti, SS, Resistherm NiFe30; Coefficient of Resistance

[pevinsghost]

A lot of surface area on that bad boy.

But not too terribly much mass. Should ramp up quick and vaporize a lot of juice.

The thinness should make it possible to fit in atties you wouldn't think would take a 5+mm coil, but still going to be many things it doesn't fit in.

 

[f1vefour]

It's really only equal to about 4mm if you're using a 3mm mandrel for your standard claptons.

Since it is so thin.

 

[soulseek]

I bought SS430 from crazy wire but I'm pretty sure they sent me the wrong grade as it doesn't heat up both on the DNA200 or the VTC mini with the appropriate TCR/csv. Anyone have the resistivity values for SS430 so I can prove to them it's wrong?

 

[aldenf]

I bought SS430 from crazy wire but I'm pretty sure they sent me the wrong grade as it doesn't heat up both on the DNA200 or the VTC mini with the appropriate TCR/csv. Anyone have the resistivity values for SS430 so I can prove to them it's wrong?

Coil wrapping

 

[jhelliwell]

I bought SS430 from crazy wire but I'm pretty sure they sent me the wrong grade as it doesn't heat up both on the DNA200 or the VTC mini with the appropriate TCR/csv. Anyone have the resistivity values for SS430 so I can prove to them it's wrong?

Ah! It's not just me then! I got an awfully weak vape with CW SS430. My mate and I both tried it and came to the conclusion that particular wire isn't what it says it is. I never pursued it any further because a reel of NiFe48 came in from zivipf, and that stuff is great, with a TCR of 400

 

[TripleZoom]

I never considered that. Current follows the path of least resistance. So, when part of the coil heats up the resistance there rises and the current "diverts" to a cooler, lower resistance part to hear it up evenly. I wonder how it performs in TC? I'm really enjoying 316L. More so then nife48, but I'm still rather new to both.

 

[TripleZoom]

I got some 304 as well and zivipf included an extra spool of that. Unfortunately it keeps jumping out of TC. I might try to use tcr instead of the CSV file and see if that works. I didn't used to mind using describe before, now I really wish there was an app and Bluetooth =) I've really came to enjoy a TC wire core Claptoned with kanthal - especially in the serpent. The serpent there is a VERY noticeable flavor boost with a Clapton. I never thought it was much better in a dripper (and didn't like the ramp up/slow cool down)

 

[dwcraig1]

Well I just put my Serpent back into service. I didn't remember what wire it was but it read 5Ω so it has got to be SS430. I had to pulled the deck to see it, ya, twisted SS430 28 gauge from Unkamen. This wire has been a total pleasure to use. It makes me think that maybe the European stuff is different maybe.
Edit: did I say 5Ω?..... 0.5Ω it be

 

[f1vefour]

Well I just put my Serpent back into service. I didn't remember what wire it was but it read 5Ω so it has got to be SS430. I had to pulled the deck to see it, ya, twisted SS430 28 gauge from Unkamen. This wire has been a total pleasure to use. It makes me think that maybe the European stuff is different maybe.

Yep Unkamen works perfect with TCR 13.8

 

[soulseek]

Ah! It's not just me then! I got an awfully weak vape with CW SS430. My mate and I both tried it and came to the conclusion that particular wire isn't what it says it is. I never pursued it any further because a reel of NiFe48 came in from zivipf, and that stuff is great, with a TCR of 400

Yeah I'm pretty sure this is the wrong wire. Different atomisers and both the DNA200 and VTC mini can't be lying. I'm trying to get them to either reimburse me or change it, since I bought 3 spools. Anyone know of a good supplier of SS430 in Europe?

 

[ndb70]

Yeah I'm pretty sure this is the wrong wire. Different atomisers and both the DNA200 and VTC mini can't be lying. I'm trying to get them to either reimburse me or change it, since I bought 3 spools. Anyone know of a good supplier of SS430 in Europe?

Same here with crazy wire's (pseudo) SS430.
Using a dna200 and some water testing I came to make it work quite well with a TCR of 150 (as opposed to the expected 138). Give it a try and see if it works for you too

 

[f1vefour]

Same here with crazy wire's (pseudo) SS430.
Using a dna200 and some water testing I came to make it work quite well with a TCR of 150 (as opposed to the expected 138). Give it a try and see if it works for you too

That's quite a difference, I wonder if it isn't actually SS410.

You can see here where I posted last year that SS410 TCR should be 15.5 or 155 for you.

Stainless Steel TCR Values

 

[ndb70]

That's quite a difference, I wonder if it isn't actually SS410.

You can see here where I posted last year that SS410 TCR should be 15.5 or 155 for you.

Stainless Steel TCR Values

That's what I was suspecting, but didn't consider as really possible given the apparent impossibility of finding 410 in reasonable spools anywhere...

Anyway, I have to add that:
1) the resistances I get are quite in line with what SE predicts for SS430 (yes, 430)
2) the wire is a joy to work with, absolute lack of springiness, keeps shape and it's IMHO nothing less than Kanthal as far as easiness of coiling
3) It actually regulates quite well with TCR around 150 on both the evic vtc mini and the dna200

If I only could know what the hell I'm vaping on... ;-)

 

[f1vefour]

SS430 unless tempered is not a little springy, it's super springy.

Tempered wire will likely have a slightly different TCR, either it isn't 430 or it's tempered and that's the difference.

 

[soulseek]

What I have is certainly not springy; in fact its quite the opposite. I've had annealed Ti which is less springier than regular grade 1 but this "SS430" is way better.

 

[f1vefour]

What I have is certainly not springy; in fact its quite the opposite. I've had annealed Ti which is less springier than regular grade 1 but this "SS430" is way better.

I gathered, even tempered SS430 isn't that malleable. I have a feeling it's possibly 410, which would be even better than 430. It isn't hard to get, it's just hard to get a small amount for an individual. A vendor would simply order an entire MIG welding spool and divide it up into smaller amounts. They can be had for about $90.

Being SS430 and SS410 is relatively the same I don't find it hard to believe a roll getting mislabeled.

I imagine the ohm/mm would be about the same as 430.

 

[BrentMydland]

So how do you go about dry burning ss on dan 200s and getting an accurate resistance reading? If I install and dry burn then switch from power to its tc profile the resistance is off so I've just been dry burning on another mod and letting it cool to room temp then installing on my dna200 device. Is there some way to force the new coil prompt?

Also does anyone happen to have a link to that ti dry burn CSV for a while back? I thought I saved it but I guess I didn't and searching the thread by dry burn ti pops up about a million results.

 

[dwcraig1]

So how do you go about dry burning ss on dan 200s and getting an accurate resistance reading? If I install and dry burn then switch from power to its tc profile the resistance is off so I've just been dry burning on another mod and letting it cool to room temp then installing on my dna200 device. Is there some way to force the new coil prompt?

Also does anyone happen to have a link to that ti dry burn CSV for a while back? I thought I saved it but I guess I didn't and searching the thread by dry burn ti pops up about a million results.

This might be what your looking for:
TC beyond Ni200: Nickel Purity, Dicodes; Ti, SS, Resistherm NiFe30; Coefficient of Resistance

 

[BrentMydland]

That's the post I was looking for. Thanks. Been reading since almost the beginning of this thread so its hard to remember just where everything is but I knew it was in there somewhere. I was looking for a post the other day I would have sworn was just a week or so old. Nope, more like 3 months lol.

 

[soulseek]

Well I'll try with the TCR for SSS410 and hopefully it works because this wire is amazingly malleable. I haven't had such an easy time coiling since more than a year ago when I used kanthal.

As for dry burning on the dna200, simply set a manual tcr double that of the actual amount and set your temp to 300C; you'll reach a real temp of 600 that way which is enough for dry burning.