TC beyond Ni200: Nickel Purity, Dicodes; Ti, SS, Resistherm NiFe30; Coefficient of Resistance

[AlaskaVaper]

I almost quit trying at some point with Ti. I used to get poor taste and not warm enough vape for my taste. Now all my atties wear Ti. I have my favoyrite fused clapton running for two weeks and it performs great. I thought of rewiking it since I have the same cotton for a week but I changed my mind. There's no need to. I'm impressed how clean it is. I have two 26g Ti claptoned with 35g Ti, at 50-60Watts. I want to try some more builds but it gives me so good vape I don't want to spoil it. I think I'll wait for my second Velocity to arrive since it's the only rda I have which can fit them.

 

[AlaskaVaper]

I almost quit trying at some point with Ti. I used to get poor taste and not warm enough vape for my taste. Now all my atties wear Ti. I have my favoyrite fused clapton running for two weeks and it performs great. I thought of rewiking it since I have the same cotton for a week but I changed my mind. There's no need to. I'm impressed how clean it is. I have two 26g Ti claptoned with 35g Ti, at 50-60Watts. I want to try some more builds but it gives me so good vape I don't want to spoil it. I think I'll wait for my second Velocity to arrive since it's the only rda I have which can fit them.

 

[AlaskaVaper]

Nice photo!

 

[AlaskaVaper]

Hi,

I'm looking for a temperature control with nickel purity setting mod (clone) because i want to stay with SS wire.
My price limit under 100$, so i have found these options:

zero modz clone from SXK 60W
vaporflask & vf mini
vaporshark 60W
and sxk nebula.

So the question is that am i right? Only these options i have?
For me the size is matters a lot I dont want to make a biceps training all day with a half brick so it looks like for me the vaporshark will be the winner.
I am going to buy it from oceansvapor, it looks like they have it on the warehouse, and also the price is good too for 42+8,9$. But the too low price is pretty scary for me. I dont know nothing information about the building quality from this clone.

Is there any reason why i shouldnt buy this?
Or somebody have a link for youtube video especially for this clone?

Thanks the help, and sorry for my bad english.

I purchased my Zero mod from Oceansvapor and shipping and service were very acceptable. I would not hesitate to buy thru them again. Good luck with your choice. I do not think that the size of any you list would increase the size of your bicepts, lol.

 

[TheBloke]

NiFe30 wire is now live on Zivipf! They sent out a newsletter announcement earlier today.

Very sadly it's still no thicker than Resistherm - he has two sizes available, 0.25mm (30G) and 0.28mm (29G) - the latter is the same as Resistherm.

But the great news is it's less than half the price of Resistherm. €5.50 per 10m.

The resistance is quite a bit lower than Resistherm, 3.3Ω/m compared to 5.5Ω for Resistherm. So it's clearly not identical. I wonder if it's going to be like Alloy 120 available from ResistanceWire? Though they have that in many gauges, not just 29 and 30, so I can't believe it's the same stuff else surely he wouldn't have picked 29 and 30.

I have been trying to order some all day but his site appears to be broken, at least for me. It won't let me checkout, always giving this error:

With no payment methods available to be selected. I've been in touch with Thomas via email and he said he was going to put the order through for me manually so I hope it will get completed today some time.

Zivipf also has Stainless Steel, Titanium, Kanthal and Ni200. I am taking the opportunity to pick up some 26G Stainless Steel (I can only get 25 or 27G from Crazy Wire) and some 32G Titanium (I would like to try making some Claptons at some point.)

If you order from Zivipf, use the coupon code zivipf88 for an 8% discount.

 

[Croak]

I almost quit trying at some point with Ti. I used to get poor taste and not warm enough vape for my taste. Now all my atties wear Ti. I have my favoyrite fused clapton running for two weeks and it performs great. I thought of rewiking it since I have the same cotton for a week but I changed my mind. There's no need to. I'm impressed how clean it is. I have two 26g Ti claptoned with 35g Ti, at 50-60Watts. I want to try some more builds but it gives me so good vape I don't want to spoil it. I think I'll wait for my second Velocity to arrive since it's the only rda I have which can fit them.

Sotos, you might want to give this mounting method a try next build, I find it works better when using the Velocity with a single coil.

 

[notarobot]

I wonder if it's going to be like Alloy 120 available from ResistanceWire?

I contacted zivipf and asked about the TCR. The answer was: "0.0042/K, but without guarantee". I think Alloy 120 should be around 0.005/K when heating it up to around 200ºC?

 

[SotosB]

Sotos, you might want to give this mounting method a try next build, I find it works better when using the Velocity with a single coil.

That's what I have in mind. I don't want to spoil my current build thought. Not yet.

 

[pevinsghost]

I tried this with my first nickel build, I kinked the wire while working it, got hot leg on those really long legs this build makes and the wire snapped.

 

[Croak]

I tried this with my first nickel build, I kinked the wire while working it, got hot leg on those really long legs this build makes and the wire snapped.

The leg length is barely increased at all compared to doing the "traditional" top leg top, bottom leg bottom build on a Velocity. As a bonus, doing it like the first picture in my post above, you have will have wet wick on most of the leg surface. Doing it like the bottom clapton picture is not ideal because you have exposed legs on the top that don't get any liquid flow.

But yeah, it's a bit tricky getting the wire bent the first time or two. Practice makes perfect, and my "fun" building on a Delta II RBA section that requires similar bends makes the Velocity a doddle in comparison, since you don't have to worry about clearing the airflow/deck underneath.

 

[soulseek]

Sotos, you might want to give this mounting method a try next build, I find it works better when using the Velocity with a single coil.

I thought of trying this out before but I assumed it wouldn't work well since the air doesn't hit the coil head on, instead comes in from the sides. Thus, I continues making dual coils but I'm recoiling one of my Velocities right now out of curiosity.

 

[Croak]

Air still flows over the coil from both sides before being drawn up the middle. I've tried splitting my wick tails though, in an inverted V shape, to leave a clear air gap so it can flow underneath as well, but really noticed no difference in flavor or vapor when doing that over just having a solid wick blocking bottom airflow.

You can also make a "horizontal chimney" coil this way by wicking on the outside, though I haven't personally tried that (yet).

 

[Landman]

Air still flows over the coil from both sides before being drawn up the middle. I've tried splitting my wick tails though, in an inverted V shape, to leave a clear air gap so it can flow underneath as well, but really noticed no difference in flavor or vapor when doing that over just having a solid wick blocking bottom airflow.

You can also make a "horizontal chimney" coil this way by wicking on the outside, though I haven't personally tried that (yet).

I tried that with kanthal a while back, in a parallel build. It worked ok, nothing amazing. Ripped it out when the Ti arrived. I'd also thought about building a single horizontal as you did, but like @soulseek, I wasn't sure if the airflow would be enough. Glad to see it does work; I might remove the dual Ti and run a single like that next.

 

[Croak]

Don't get me wrong, a good dual coil build generally outperforms it, especially if you like a warmer vape, and on the Velocity duals are so easy to build.

Where the single coil really shines is if you're using a DNA40 or 40 clone that limits you to builds of 0.1 ohms and up (and are limited to 40w), and/or you want to keep using 28 or 26ga Ni200 or "exotic" twisted builds without waiting all day for it to heat up. It's also more forgiving/easier to troublshoot a single coil if you're having performance problems, and it's usually much easier on battery life

 

[funkyrudi]

NiFe30 wire is now live on Zivipf! They sent out a newsletter announcement earlier today.

Very sadly it's still no thicker than Resistherm - he has two sizes available, 0.25mm (30G) and 0.28mm (29G) - the latter is the same as Resistherm.

But the great news is it's less than half the price of Resistherm. €5.50 per 10m.

The resistance is quite a bit lower than Resistherm, 3.3Ω/m compared to 5.5Ω for Resistherm. So it's clearly not identical. I wonder if it's going to be like Alloy 120 available from ResistanceWire? Though they have that in many gauges, not just 29 and 30, so I can't believe it's the same stuff else surely he wouldn't have picked 29 and 30.

I have been trying to order some all day but his site appears to be broken, at least for me. It won't let me checkout, always giving this error:

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With no payment methods available to be selected. I've been in touch with Thomas via email and he said he was going to put the order through for me manually so I hope it will get completed today some time.

Zivipf also has Stainless Steel, Titanium, Kanthal and Ni200. I am taking the opportunity to pick up some 26G Stainless Steel (I can only get 25 or 27G from Crazy Wire) and some 32G Titanium (I would like to try making some Claptons at some point.)

If you order from Zivipf, use the coupon code zivipf88 for an 8% discount.

I got the samples last week and tested and measured the new wire and figured out with my cotten test that the TCR should be around 50 ( 0,005) and that it must be Nifetherm 70 from Kanthal. I mailed my results to Zivipf and Thomas confirmed the Nifetherm 70. Because of the higher resistance, quite hight TCR and the very linear TCR I recommended Thomas the Nifetherm 52 in 3 sizes ( 0,28mm - 0,35mm - 0,40mm ) too. He wants to get them too. Kanthal offers these wires up to 1.8mm. If the Nifetherm sales ar good he will order different sizes too, I guess.

 

[DeareN]

I recieved the Dicodes Resistherm a few days ago and it became my favourite wire instantly.

It is harder to work with compared to the tampered ni200 from stealthvapes due to the fact that is softer and thinner.

However it is dry burnable so I could check my setup without the fear of pure nickel.

It should become available in thicker dimensions cause 28mm is thin for me.

I won't try twisted for now, maybe in the future.

I also made 2 microcoils without the success of the spaced coils.

I will stick to the spaced coils for temperature control, it seems they work a lot better for me.

As for the temp I set it to 160 at DNA40 and 120-130 at yihi chips.

 

[TheBloke]

Great to hear @DeareN , glad you're happy!

Yes I love the dry burn, it is a very useful ability.

I find the wire just too thin for comfort, so I do twist it into 2x29, which I then find pretty easy to deal with. It is quite springy, but I can torch it to improve that - and of course I can torch it very easily and safely without worrying about over doing it! Once it is torched it is very easy to coil with. And I quite like twisted wire in general, I used to use it with Kanthal as well, for increasing the surface area a bit for flavour.

Yes I pretty much only do spaced coils now. Occasionally I find it is more convenient to do a micro coil, but wherever possible I do a spaced coil. I find it gunks up a lot less than a micro coil.

 

[nic_fix]

this is a little late. to the op kudos on this. I am guessing you are an engineer or something. this is very interesting but I wonder if some metals are not safe. like vaporize tiny droplets that deposit in the lungs and kill us! getting sick from this would be very unpleasant I imagine. otherwise I would like to try some wires and see if they vape better. I did not read this whole thread but I bet it contains what wires to avoid. thanks guys.

 

[TheBloke]

Thanks @nic_fix ! I suppose I'm an engineer, but in software/IT

We have not much talked about wire safety. The short answer is we don't really know - no-one really knows. There was an enormous thread discussing this a couple of months ago, if you are interested to learn more you should check it out: The end of microcoils?

(Bear in mind the initial subject at hand, whether micro coils were hugely dangerous, was later debunked by various metallurgists; or at least, the 'evidence' given that they might be dangerous was debunked as not being evidence. You might want to start reading some pages in.)

There are people who express safety concerns over Ni200, which might be yet another reason why it's the worst TC wire and any of the other wires mentioned in this thread should be better. Titanium has risks if it's over heated, it's very important not to dry burn it, but should be very safe in the temperature control range. There hasn't been so much discussion on Resistherm/NiFe30 and Stainless Steel, we're just assuming they're safe But their high temperature maximums should hopefully make them quite safe - similar to Kanthal.

All vaping is at our own risk, and will never be as safe as not vaping at all. But it's undoubtedly a hell of a lot safer than smoking And TC vaping should definitely be safer than non-TC vaping.

 

[TheBloke]

My ZiVipf NiFe30 has arrived! Very good delivery, Tuesday to Saturday from Germany. Much faster than the last time I ordered from them.

And I got an unexpected extra 5m of 0.28mm, very nice.