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I have to say that, so far at least, I am preferring SS to Titanium - but it's still very early days for me with both materials.

Titanium does have the huge advantage that I can use it (with offsets) on any TC mod where SS I can only use for TC with one mod right now.

Naturally I plan to fix this only-one-mod disability ASAP ;)
 

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I have to say that, so far at least, I am preferring SS to Titanium - but it's still very early days for me with both materials.

Titanium does have the huge advantage that I can use it (with offsets) on any TC mod where SS I can only use for TC with one mod right now.

Naturally I plan to fix this only-one-mod disability ASAP ;)
When you get it fully sorted out (SS vs TI) I'd love to hear your read on pros and cons of each.

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I have done a measurement by a calibrated MilliOhm meter.
SXK chip: 0.92Ohm
Ohm meter: 1.08Ohm
So the difference is 160mOhm what isn't really negligible.
I will do another measurement tomorrow with another coil to check whether the difference is constant or depends on the resistance.
On a ni200 coil that's a massive difference. From something like .1 to .26. Luckily it's not quite that bad when you go down to the lower resistances.
 

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In other news, I'm vaping on a new SS317L contact coil, and it's great.

This time I pre-pulsed it until it turned quickly yellow then blue; yes - I was surprised! At first I thought I had put Titanium in by mistake! But I tested multiple times and repeated it each time (as long as I didn't heat the coil for too long - it starts glowing red hot faster than Titanium does.)

Maybe that's not unexpected for those in the know (@druckle ?), but I had no idea SS would turn yellow then blue just like Titanium.

Pulsing was done the same way I do Titanium:
  • Wire: 150mm of SS317L 0.45mm / 25G, resistance around 0.76Ω
  • Attached to an RDA on a random mod set to VW @ 30W (power, not TC.)
  • I timed the pulse as 5 seconds to turn it partly blue - I tested this on three stretches of wire.
  • On the piece below I then did a second 5 second pulse (once it had cooled down) to even the blue out across the wire.



It was super easy to coil a nice stable contact coil (helps that it's 25G):



I thought that might be sufficient oxidising for contact, but it wasn't. When trying the coil I had the same as I've seen on my previous SS contact coils: I need a couple of pulses as a contact coil before the resistance starts rising as normal for TC:
  • First pulse it seems to get no resistance rise at all, the temp reading on the mod stays at 77°F like it does with Kanthal. This is effectively like a second dry pulse, because it's not limiting temp at all.
    • Stopped this uncontrolled pulse after a few secs, then:
  • Second pulse is the opposite, resistance rises dramatically such that it quickly says it's at 700°F or something silly.
    • So it cuts power completely of course.
  • Third pulse onwards, works fine as expected.
I am assuming that these are the symptoms of a coil that starts out shorting but then oxidises to fix those shorts.

During those dry burns I also saw inconsisent glowing across the coil, similar to what we see with Kanthal (part hot, part not.)

I did not have to tweak/move the coil at all to get it working normally after that - just two pulses then worked from the third.

I'm now vaping it in my Aqua SE RTA, NP set to 11 (tried @balazsk 's setting) and temperature at 350°F. So I'm still using an offset - I tried 380 to start with and it got a little dry towards the end of a long hit. 350 with 11NP is working great.

I just drained the tank empty and the Rayon completely white, and it TP'd as expceted. No dry hits, but a nice cloudy/flavourful vape before that point.
Damn, should've ordered some stainless steel wire as well but forgot. Well, titanium will probably work better for me anyway, as I only have one mod with the nickel purity setting. Ordered 25m of grade 1 28ga. Zivipf already shipped it out so hopefully I'll get it before the weekend (I'll not be home next week).
 
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On a ni200 coil that's a massive difference. From something like .1 to .26. Luckily it's not quite that bad when you go down to the lower resistances.

It's definitely not anywhere like that extreme at the lower ranges, at least in comparison to other mods. Quick example: Titanium coil reading 0.36 in a couple of mods including my new Mini VF, reads 0.32 on the SXK VF.

Now I don't know if 0.36 is correct of course, maybe the real figure is 0.38 or 0.40 and everything is too low, and the SXK even more so. But in terms of 'how low is it compared to other devices', 0.04 is a pretty standard reading for me. I'm pretty sure I've seen 0.05 but I don't recall off the top of my head seeing more.

I am going to do some more formal testing later tonight, after I've cooked some Titanium. As you do.
 

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It's definitely not anywhere like that extreme at the lower ranges, at least in comparison to other mods. Quick example: Titanium coil reading 0.36 in a couple of mods including my new Mini VF, reads 0.32 on the SXK VF.

Now I don't know if 0.36 is correct of course, maybe the real figure is 0.38 or 0.40 and everything is too low, and the SXK even more so. But in terms of 'how low is it compared to other devices', 0.04 is a pretty standard reading for me. I'm pretty sure I've seen 0.05 but I don't recall off the top of my head seeing more.

I am going to do some more formal testing later tonight, after I've cooked some Titanium. As you do.
.04 is pretty constant for me as well.
 

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I have done a measurement by a calibrated MilliOhm meter.
SXK chip: 0.92Ohm
Ohm meter: 1.08Ohm
So the difference is 160mOhm what isn't really negligible.
I will do another measurement tomorrow with another coil to check whether the difference is constant or depends on the resistance.
Have you used Kelvin 4 wired leads?

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I have made just a simple 2-wire measurement because I hadn't found a Kelvin probe and it's hard to attach 4 single probe to a 510 connector with 2 hands. :) Although I have calibrated the wires (setting the zero by shorted probes).
I will try to do better measurements tomorrow. If I will have enough time to do I would like to measure also the output of the SXK chip by oscilloscope because sometimes I feel the temperature control too drastical. I think it just switch off the voltage when the temperature reach the set point and switch it back when it falls about 20°C instead of keeping the temperature near the set point by continous regulation. But it can happen that I'm just wrong.
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It's definitely not anywhere like that extreme at the lower ranges, at least in comparison to other mods. Quick example: Titanium coil reading 0.36 in a couple of mods including my new Mini VF, reads 0.32 on the SXK VF.

Now I don't know if 0.36 is correct of course, maybe the real figure is 0.38 or 0.40 and everything is too low, and the SXK even more so. But in terms of 'how low is it compared to other devices', 0.04 is a pretty standard reading for me. I'm pretty sure I've seen 0.05 but I don't recall off the top of my head seeing more.

I am going to do some more formal testing later tonight, after I've cooked some Titanium. As you do.
How's the cooking mate?? ;)
 

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You have a Keithley 580? Please tell me you have it for some purpose other than measuring the resistance on atomizers? :) I just looked for it on eBay. Jesus!
If I could find my Kelvin probes, I would have a purpose, for sure :) . Actually I bought it quite cheap a couple of years ago but used it only once. And because I didn`t use it often, the probes got lost -too much stuff in my workshop. I searched them several times - for meassuring Attys and checking Ohm readings of my boxes - but now I know I have to buy or make new probes. And after that I`ll probably find the old ones ;)
 
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In other news, I'm vaping on a new SS317L contact coil, and it's great.

This time I pre-pulsed it until it turned quickly yellow then blue; yes - I was surprised!

I'm pretty sure you love blue. I think you'll find a way to turn all type of wires into blue :) And I'm also pretty sure temp (heat) / voltage (anodise) are the main factors for the thickness of oxidation. As for SS, it's too easy to build. I don't think you need to pre torch-pulse it. Just a nice cleaning with alcohol first and it's ready to go. Even with 28g you can have a perfect microcoil. I like it spaced so I just pull the edges a little afterwards.
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a little OT but just found this on the e-liquid forum..

'Here's all the data from the USC study, including Compounds, Outdoor air, e-Cigarette, and normal cigarette. http://www.rsc.org/suppdata/em/c4/c4em00415a/c4em00415a1.pdf

For your convenience, listed below are the amounts of Cr, Ni, Pb, Zn and Al in outdoor air vs e-cigarette vapor:

Cr: 5.53 vs 4.22
Ni: 5.57 vs 6.14 (+/-2.9)
Pb: 13.28 vs 9.85
Zn: 54.31 vs 56.08 (+/- 21 [sic])
Al: 333.27 (±62.93) vs 161.43 (±71.35)'


interesting! I assume that is kanthal!
 
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