Tennessee also proposing ban on e-cigs

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Information about the lobbyist in question, William B. Nolan, can be found here.

His most recent registration was as the lobbyist for Tru Wholesale, which is located in Knoxville. 'tobacco' is among its defined 'Lobbying Interests.' This does not mean Mr. Nolan was at the hearing representing the interests of Tru Wholesale. However, none of the other organizations he lobbies for would appear to have a reason to support taxes on e-cigarettes (except for perhaps a hope that the tax revenues could be directed to programs run by one of the lobbying interests).

OpenSecrets.org defines 'Tru Wholesale' as a tobacco lobbying interest, and notes that their 2008 political donations totaled $30,000 Lobbying Spending Database-Tru Wholesale, 2008 | OpenSecrets

Boyd Wyatt Sr. is retired from running the company, and it appears Boyd Wyatt Jr. is now in charge.
 
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what you guys weren't able to see is the Big tobacco Lobbyist that followed Armstrong out of the Room.

After the bill was heard, Rep Armstrong asked if he could speak with me privately outside. In talking to Rep Armstrong, we were approached by a Big Tobacco Lobbyist who says he has been working with Rep Armstrong on the taxation aspect of the bill. We originally thought this person was another representative until Placebo pointed out this man was a registered lobbyist.

As Rep Armstrong outlined to the Subcommittee, this won't be the last time ecigs are brought up in bills in the TN House, its just the start.

I have my doubts Rep Armstrong was entirely genuine especially when we found out who he had in his back pocket.

Taxes suck, but better that than an outright banning. Maybe you could try to set up a cooperative effort with some of the TN tobacco farmers and start the first US Liquid Nic manufacture. It can't be that hard to make nic liquid, and Armstrong seems to want to "keep it in the family" so to speak, Meaning more revenue for the great state of Tennessee. Just a thought. I bet US juice makers would want to buy from a US nic liquid manufacturer (not as cheap as China, but people don't like consumables from China. I personally do not trust it, and with our government owing them so much money anyway sheeesh) that way American Tobacco farmers get a piece of the ejuice pie instead of Belgium or China. IMHO

BTW Kudos for getting up there! You looked as nervous as a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs! Thanks for fighting for us and thanks for taking the leap of faith needed to create Pure. Becoming an entrepreneur takes balls of steel and I am glad you had the huevos so to speak lol

Keep up the awesomeness

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I don't think combustible cigarettes need to have "a level playing field" with smoke-free alternatives like e-cigarettes, but it remains the State's prerogative to levy a reasonable tax on consumer goods.

Oh, yeah? Well the way that they whine about how much extra smokers cost them, instead of taxing our e-cig supplies they should be buying them for us, and maybe slipping us a little extra to use them instead of smoking.
 
Oh, yeah? Well the way that they whine about how much extra smokers cost them, instead of taxing our e-cig supplies they should be buying them for us, and maybe slipping us a little extra to use them instead of smoking.

That would require antismokers to actually do something to reduce smoking. I would love for that to happen, but I'd settle for a free market with minimal government intervention in personal choices.
 

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what you guys weren't able to see is the Big Tobacco Lobbyist that followed Armstrong out of the Room.

After the bill was heard, Rep Armstrong asked if he could speak with me privately outside. In talking to Rep Armstrong, we were approached by a Big Tobacco Lobbyist who says he has been working with Rep Armstrong on the taxation aspect of the bill. We originally thought this person was another representative until Placebo pointed out this man was a registered lobbyist.

As Rep Armstrong outlined to the Subcommittee, this won't be the last time ecigs are brought up in bills in the TN House, its just the start.

I have my doubts Rep Armstrong was entirely genuine especially when we found out who he had in his back pocket.
Very interesting- I sort of suspected this before hand, but after viewing the video actually thought Armstrong was on the side of the vaping supply distributers of TN... Guess he sees you guys as infringing on the "turf" of Big Tobacco... Yeah, it's not over yet...
 
According to Tennessee website's description of HB 1729, the bill has not been amended
Tennessee General Assembly » Legislation

Perhaps it takes a few days for them to update their website, but the April 20 House Agricultural Cmte meeting is listed.

I just took a closer look. The subcommittee passed the bill to the full Agriculture committee with a recommendation to pass if amended, under Actions Taken for 1729: "Rec. for pass. if am. by s/c ref. to Agriculture Committee 4/20/2011"

It's not over, but it appears to be moving in the right direction.
 

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There was a hearing before the full Agriculture Committee today. They voted for the bill that only banned sales to minors, and also voted for a slight change to the definition of electronic cigarettes (see below, it's not something to be concerned about).

A rundown of the hearing is below. Quotes should not be taken as 100% accurate.

House-Agriculture

HB1729 talk starts at 11:17

Armstrong claims that the nicotine for e-cigarettes can also come in ‘powder form’ (approx 12:45 in video).

Armstrong: “If they are tobacco products they compete against tobacco that our farmers grow here in Tennessee and in the United States but a lot of the liquid – the liquid is called a nicotine liquid … but a lot of these are manufactured in other countries – in China for example … We’re getting into a quality issue because people are already ingesting this liquid into their lungs so we certainly we want to have knowledge of where these things are being manufactured … Anything that relates to revenue, I think that’s something that needs to be taken in up a different bill … The original bill actually outlawed the electronic cigarette … We took all of that out. … This amendment gives a little bit better definition. Legal thought that this would kind of help us in terms of the description … ‘Electronic cigarette means an electronic device that converts nicotine into a vapor that is inhaled by the user.’ … (716863 is the drafting record) …

Rep Halford asks if it has been declared by the FDA to be a tobacco product, why is the bill to ban minors needed? Armstrong explains.

Rep Shaw asks Armstrng if he has used an e-cigarette? Armstrong said he saw someone on a plane use one next to him "and it lit up.” Armstrong asks people in the crowd if anyone has an electronic cigarette, but no one comes forward unfortunately.

Rep. Jeremy Faison – “Has anyone been hurt from this so far?”

Armstrong: “Some people have actually been helped from a standpoint of being able to utilize as a smoking cessation [method]. One thing is, and there’s no denying the scientific facts are that this is a lot better way of ingesting nicotine than actually lighting and burning a cigarette. It takes a lot of the carcinogenics (spelled as pronounced) that are associated with a burning cigarette – and it takes a lot of the other chemicals away. I think that a cigarette has well over 50 different types of carcinogenics in it, and they say that this has less than 8, so I actually guess it’s a healthier way to smoke.”

Faison: “This in no way will stop [people from 18 being able to purchase e-cigs]?”

Armstrong: “Absolutely.”

Bill Sanderson asks how the original bill came to be.

Armstrong: “The original bill I’d gotten through a bill that was passed in New York and I kind of based it on that. That’s why a lot of the language didn’t kind of go with our statute. It was a copy of New York’s …”

Sanderson: “I received a lot of e-mail concerning that bill and the intent of that original bill was to outlaw those electronic cigarettes, am I right? . . . Was it your interpretation of the original bill that it was to do away with the e-cigarettes?”

Armstrong: “No, no, absolutely not. The next step, and that step either one of you can do, is leading to taxing the product. It does compete against tobacco that is produced in Tennessee so we’re apparently not receiving anything else than sales tax where [other] tobacco products have to pay additional.”

Sanderson: “I have a friend that was smoking two packs of cigarettes a day and he had to go over to Missouri, I think, originally [to] buy this product and he actually was able to wean himself off by using this product. So I think the product itself, even though it may not be FDA approved, is probably a product that might have helped some smokers actually ween themselves off of nicotine.”

Armstrong: “And he imported back into Tennessee? Did he pay his taxes on that? [laughs]”

Nicely asks if you can buy ......... e-cigarettes. Armstrong laughed and talked about how TN farmers should be able grow ......... for medical patients in other states.
 
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