The “Cola” Method Taken to Another Level That Works

[parapo]

i got my chemicals today, phosphoric acid 85%, and H2O2 50% .

i put 2 week atomizer in the acid.....colorless thick liquid something between PG and VG.
will pull them out after 24hours.

also tried 2 other atomizer with H2O2, one had a great improvment,the other wasn't that old so no change there.

 

[kinabaloo]

parapo - you used the heating-in-place method with the H2O2?

Don't forget anyone, never mix these two chemicals! And if you should want to dilute the acid, always pour the acid into water and never water into the acid.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

i got my chemicals today, phosphoric acid 85%, and H2O2 50% .

i put 2 week atomizer in the acid.....colorless thick liquid something between PG and VG.
will pull them out after 24hours.

also tried 2 other atomizer with H2O2, one had a great improvment,the other wasn't that old so no change there.

Parapo--This is a new experiment indeed. I am told that mixing these 2 chemicals is bad news with one another!!!! ----Sun

 

[parapo]

parapo - you used the heating-in-place method with the H2O2?

Don't forget anyone, never mix these two chemicals! And if you should want to dilute the acid, always pour the acid into water and never water into the acid.

yes, i did the heating in place method.
i may try this method with phosphoric acid next time.

Parapo--This is a new experiment indeed. It will be interesting to see how these 2 chemicals react with one another. Let us know how it goes and Please be carefull!!!! If I were to do that I would be sure to rinse the atomizer for a good long while before firing it up----Sun

...i know all about safety...
i work in a chemical company. (and i actually got my stuff from work).

but it's ok to point out safety!!!
some people may think this stuff is harmless.

 

[kinabaloo]

parapo: yes, i did the heating in place method.
i may try this method with phosphoric acid next time

that will be interesting. if only we had a big supply of gummed up atomizers ...

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Parapo--it is my understanding after taking a look and being advised by Kinabaloo and others that mixing these two chemcially should never be done. Please heed to warnings and play it safe!!!!!!!!----All of us here do not want to see anyone get hurt. We are not Chemists. Trying any experiment with such harsh chemicals simply is not a use of good judgment or common sense. We are only look out for your welfare---so please heed to the warnings ---------Sun

 

[Sun Vaporer]

parapo: yes, i did the heating in place method.
i may try this method with phosphoric acid next time

that will be interesting. if only we had a big supply of gummed up atomizers ...

Kinabaloo--I got the worst batch of RN4072's I think ever were built --They outright failed or went weak at 4 to 5 day spans, So I have 15 more in my draw. ---no shortage there. I sent some to Terrophon and he is working with them also---Sun

 

[kinabaloo]

i think parapo is a chemist so knows all this already !
But ordinary folk do need to be careful.
We can compare the two, or follow one with another after a good rinse, but not mix them.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

i think parapo is a chemist so knows all this already !
But ordinary folk do need to be careful.
We can compare the two, or follow one with another after a good rinse, but not mix them.

You are so right Kniabaloo--ordinary folks would have no idea that Parapo is a Chemist or and knows how to work with chemicals --we are just members without that kind of background in procedures of working with solvents that were not indented for the purpose that they are being used here. So cautioning on the safe side is the best think to do---

Remember people that these are just experiments and the reports of there outcome that are in fact dangerous and not to be attemped by others---Sun

 

[exogenesis]

i got my chemicals today, phosphoric acid 85%, and H2O2 50% .

i put 2 week atomizer in the acid.....colorless thick liquid something between PG and VG.
will pull them out after 24hours.

also tried 2 other atomizer with H2O2, one had a great improvment,the other wasn't that old so no change there.

Good news
got my 85% phos.acid & (only) 30% H2O2 today,
so it's a race to see who can blow themselves up first...

Also will be very interested to know if your undiluted 85% acid works better
than 35%, like the ice machine cleaner.

I've seen a couple of post where people were offering to sell their
gunked (or maybe broken) atomizers 'cheap', I reckon they should (also)
donate them to the advancement of atomizer cleaning science.

 

[kinabaloo]

At least you're not working with plain boiling water - that can rip the paint off apparently

Or diluted red wine vinegar - that can rip open the casing and tear off the connector threads, i have heard

Or worse still - Dr Pepper, atomizer killer !!

 

[parapo]

be careful people:
SPONTANEOUS COMBUSTION WITH HYDROGEN PEROXIDE.
If a hydrogen peroxide solution evaporates on a combustible material such as clothing, a fire may result spontaneously, without the need for an ignition!!!!!

we had a debate with a college if this is possible or too far stretched, until i saw it myself.

also,when i dripped a second time h2o2 in the atomizer, it did a tiny bang and a inch long fire was visible..... i may use 50% solution opposed to yours which is less but be careful!!!

 

[exogenesis]

Yes, I saw that thread about the red vinegar dissolving the brass thread,
seems un-reasonable somehow.

Actually. on 901 at least, it's not just brass, it's got some steel in it
- it's somewhat magnetic, plated stainless?

edit:
parapo, that's very true, certainly with the stonger solutions,
the weaker one's like the 9% Boots stuff are probably a lot less likely to give problems.

It's used as e.g.
skin disinfectant - diluted 1 in 2
mouthwash - diluted a further 1 in 8

It think it would require a long time for the water to evaporate to a combusting strength of H2O2,
by which time the H2O2 would probably be 'used up' anyway,
this may not be true for the 30 & 50% solutions though.

(I wonder if these H2O2 related posts should go in the other thread?)

 

[surbitonPete]

be careful people:
SPONTANEOUS COMBUSTION WITH HYDROGEN PEROXIDE.
If a hydrogen peroxide solution evaporates on a combustible material such as clothing, a fire may result spontaneously, without the need for an ignition!!!!!

we had a debate with a college if this is possible or too far stretched, until i saw it myself.

also,when i dripped a second time h2o2 in the atomizer, it did a tiny bang and a inch long fire was visible.....careful.

was it like this.......View attachment 1430

 

[parapo]

was it like this.......View attachment 1430

lol.....
no, a wood palette with h2o2 canisters....one was dripping on the wood.

 

[surbitonPete]

Actually....this would have been me........View attachment 1432 lmao

 

[exogenesis]

You actually got a flame from the atomizer ?
(That a phenomenon - da-daaa, di -da-da ..... sorry)

Had you washed the excess e-liquid / dried-e-liquid out of the meshes first ?
(e.g. with hot water and/or IPA)

 

[parapo]

You actually got a flame from the atomizer ?
)That a phenomenom - da-daaa, di -da-da ..... sorry)

Had you washed the excess e-liquid / dried-e-liquid out of the meshes first ?
(e.g. with hot water and/or IPA)

yes i had a flame in the atomizer. it also made a combustion noise but it was only for a second or so. i was surprised and tried to re-produce it but i had no luck.

i did not wash the atomizer before that, i just blow through it.

 

[exogenesis]

I guess there should be a warning on you bottle that says:
'Don't mix this 50% H2O2 with e-liquid residue'

 

[kinabaloo]

Besides setting fire to your lab coat without a match, there are other cool tricks one can perform with hydrogen peroxide, such as making a 'glow stick'.

The simple instructions are here: Another Cool Trick « The Flip Side

Notice that there are no comments.

Hmmm ... no one lived to tell the tale ?

Some YouTube vids on H2O2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aRcO_974k0&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnkKznd_Rc0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqGriJ1741I&feature=related

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