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tunabubblegum

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How come, do you think, the big tobacco companies dont come up with some of their own brands of PV's?

They are making other tobacco alternats, snus for example, with their money and power, they should be able to produce some really high tech e-cigs!

I guess I just dont understand the politics of big business :confused:

I hope this is not a subject that has already been beaten to death!!
It's hard to come up with something original!! :oops:
 

trinity73

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i think theyd be too afraid that it would deter people from smoking alltogether. granted, they would still be making money, but not quite as much. even people who dont have alot of money probably dont realize how much cigarettes cost them. either that or they choose to ignore it. vaping is cheaper and therefore less profitable. the only way i could think it would work is if they made their e-cig expensive and targeted towards the upper end. unfortunately..theres not much of an upper end in today's economy
 

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The thing why no big brands are interested (in fact very against) the vaping even if its 4,000 times more healthy than tobacco is simple, technology freely available, easily to duplicate, and China already have a big start on it.

So tobacco companys are busy inventing means to stop the ecig to become too popular before they find out a way to fight at the same lvl or better.

Let say Phillip Morris Makes a iono green colored and logoed ecig, they dont own the patent to produce it in mass (since they need to do it legaly and not in some forgotten china shop), so they has to pay efty rights to use the existent patent, also this mean that if the patent owner is not happy with PM he can suspend them from using it (thats mainly why any Big company will want full rights over any tech device they must have to deliver a product, or pass).

Also their profit will be way lower, since ecigs are no longer a "cause of mass death" the prices would drop a lot, and any big company just cares about the money flowing upwards not downwards, rather sell 1 pack of carcinogens to 1 person for 15 usd than 2 5 ml juice refillers for 3 usd, yes a lot of deaths could be prevented, millons in fact, but tobacco company's do not care about this they care about money, money they will eventually use to make every government (like mine) on earth totally ban ecigs over the stupid reason that it uses nicotine without tobacco and ense its poison.
 

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Big tobacco is way too busy making a smokable pez dispenser that feeds "Lucky Charms" flavored tobacco to third world children, to worry about something that doesn't kill. After this Lucky Charms venture big tobacco will start up rehabs where they will light the carcinogens, stick the smoke in a needle and inject you, while taking over the us healthcare system
 
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Actually, RJ Reynolds produced a 'smokeless' cigarette around 1990, called, 'Premier'. It produced an atomized vapor with nicotine. It was nice electronic and the mist was produced by drawing on it. They spent millions on R&D. It enjoyed a minor success, but the bad taste doomed it. They then sold the technology to the Jananese, who sat on it. Then in '96 they came out with 'Eclipse', which most of you never heard of because they can't effectively advertise. Like Premier, RJR had fears that Eclipse would be seazed by the FDA as a 'narcotic delivery system'. Eclipse is still available, but hard to find. I smoked them from '96 until last year when I switched to e-cigs. They look and taste like a real cig, but don't burn tobacco, so they are much healthier. You light a cylinder in the tip which burns over 6 min. A metal ring keeps the tobacco from igniting. The heat cylinder heats the tobacco to the point where you are vaping steam....steam which tastes very much like a cigarette (there is an abundance of moisture in tobacco). It contains NONE of the known carcinogens in regular cigarettes. Nicotine (although less) comes across in the steam. Real nice product. The docs in our respiratory dept. would advise their patients to switch to it. The anti-smoking groups called it more dangerous than cigarettes, because it would convince people that it's OK to smoke. Boy do they have a clowd over their minds. RJR has given up on that type product because they say that people are always after them to make a healthier product, but when they do, people criticize it. Look at the anti's reaction to e-cigs. Instead of embracing this magnificent product that has helps many thousands become tobacco free, they oppose it. Nobody in their right mind would oppose this alternative, so what does that tell you about the anti-smoking groups? Even doctors support it as an alternative, I know, I'm one of them. Dr. G.
 

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Actually, RJ Reynolds produced a 'smokeless' cigarette around 1990, called, 'Premier'. It produced an atomized vapor with nicotine. It was nice electronic and the mist was produced by drawing on it. They spent millions on R&D. It enjoyed a minor success, but the bad taste doomed it. They then sold the technology to the Jananese, who sat on it. Then in '96 they came out with 'Eclipse', which most of you never heard of because they can't effectively advertise. Like Premier, RJR had fears that Eclipse would be seazed by the FDA as a 'narcotic delivery system'. Eclipse is still available, but hard to find. I smoked them from '96 until last year when I switched to e-cigs. They look and taste like a real cig, but don't burn tobacco, so they are much healthier. You light a cylinder in the tip which burns over 6 min. A metal ring keeps the tobacco from igniting. The heat cylinder heats the tobacco to the point where you are vaping steam....steam which tastes very much like a cigarette (there is an abundance of moisture in tobacco). It contains NONE of the known carcinogens in regular cigarettes. Nicotine (although less) comes across in the steam. Real nice product. The docs in our respiratory dept. would advise their patients to switch to it. The anti-smoking groups called it more dangerous than cigarettes, because it would convince people that it's OK to smoke. Boy do they have a clowd over their minds. RJR has given up on that type product because they say that people are always after them to make a healthier product, but when they do, people criticize it. Look at the anti's reaction to e-cigs. Instead of embracing this magnificent product that has helps many thousands become tobacco free, they oppose it. Nobody in their right mind would oppose this alternative, so what does that tell you about the anti-smoking groups? Even doctors support it as an alternative, I know, I'm one of them. Dr. G.

Ohh man, I remember those things. I had a friend ages ago give me a promotional pack of them. I smoked about 3, and that was enough Being what it was(not the conventional cigarette we are so sed to smoking), Ithought they were worse,(funny)and I was afraid to smoke them. Had a funky after taste as well. i guess one of the prelim moments for our e-cigs.
 

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No offense doc, and may I add that I am very glad to see doctors promoting PVs, but I thought you should know you spelled cloud incorrectly. ^_^ So true about the anti-smokers though.

I pretty much agree with what has already been said, but would like to add that the FDA bigwigs have a funny tendency to get kickbacks from drug companies. A product that replaces cigarettes and reduces the number of people getting cancer stands to seriously injure the wallets of drug companies and therefore threatens the spiffs the FDA stands to get.

This may or may not relate to the cigarette companies themselves, but if you produce a product that causes a condition, and another company produces a product that cures said condition, why not work together to up profits across the board?
 

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If it wasn't for groups like the ECF PV'S would become another suppressed technology like so many in the past 100 years that would have enriched the lives of so many and helped our planet and it's peoples in countless ways. The main problem stems from the big wigs with the big money. Since they only worship money, it and not the planet or their fellow man means anything to them except as a customer base. Or possibly a work force lol.
I haven't touched an analog since I opened the package of my first PV almost 8 months ago,I am totally analog free and i was a pack to a pack and a half a day smoker for over 30 years. If they ban them I guess I'll be an outlaw lol, I won't go back.
 

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Do you know why it is harder for them to suppress the technology today as opposed to 10 and 15 years or more ago? The Internet. The Internet allows us to instantly come together and to exchange vast amounts of information between each other. The governments can try all they like, but they cannot fight the power of the Internet.
 

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You can't stop the truth it has a way of getting out , even if they ban there will be a population of rogue vapers lol I can see the dea busting illegal loads of atomizers with sniffer dogs trained to sniff out pg and vg based liquids. If it is good for the common man or we really want it, it will become illegal. Heck that is what the government is for isn't it , to harass the people and deny them of anything that brings them comfort or peace of mind, especially if it helps prolong your life lol
 

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You can't stop the truth it has a way of getting out , even if they ban there will be a population of rogue vapers lol I can see the dea busting illegal loads of atomizers with sniffer dogs trained to sniff out pg and vg based liquids. If it is good for the common man or we really want it, it will become illegal. Heck that is what the government is for isn't it , to harass the people and deny them of anything that brings them comfort or peace of mind, especially if it helps prolong your life lol

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I remember eclipse.. smoked 'em for a couple of years, it left a bad after taste for me. That and they were way more expensive than regulars.

That is my analog brand. (2-3.5 packs a day) I didn’t mind the taste but I switched when I was sick so I didn’t really taste it.

Now to the subject.

We do not want BT to be too involved with PVDs right now. They are the anti’s “bad guy” and our innocent devices would be demonized by them. They (The Anti’s) tried to pin PVDs invention on BT a while back and it took a lot of convincing for them to believe that they really are a Chinese non-BT invention
 

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it took a lot of convincing for them to believe that they really are a Chinese non-BT invention
Weren't vaporizers originally an invention for the inhalation of "herbs" safely without combustion? Looking it up and so far it seems that vaporbrothers made the first. Granted that still makes em non-BT, it just doesn't really make em Chinese either.

Also...I do wonder if its possible to vape e-juice with those larger varieties of "vaporizers" I'm sure it wasn't intended to, but it is a thought.
 
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