The Elephant in the Room

[sub4me]

Flavor options are an important part of the success of vaping as an alternative to smoking.

The impact of flavors variability on e-cigarette experience An online survey published in a medical journal

Except e cigs aren't a smoking cessation device and the flavor argument is just an excuse. Did you smoke flavored cigarettes?? No, you smoked regular or menthol cigarettes so if your using vaping to quit smoking you'll be fine with tobacco or menthol, tutti frutti is not needed.

 

[readeuler]

Yeah! Suck it up people. The government will decide what you can have, and you will like it. And if you don't, tough luck, and shut up about it.

And they have at least one vaper's support. A shining pillar of our community, sub4me.

 

[samturdo]

Then I'd most definitely be in luck. I'm one of the few vapors I know who simply doesn't like fruity sweet flavors. I use a custom blend of tobacco and menthol. It's what I've used every day for the last two years which keeps me very happy. Very happy indeed!

i like tobacco flavor only. but i also like my mod, not BT's crappy cigalikes. thats where my biggest problem is.

besides the fact that we should be able to vape any flavor we want. im just in luck for my flavor preference if it comes to that.

 

[Lessifer]

Except e cigs aren't a smoking cessation device and the flavor argument is just an excuse. Did you smoke flavored cigarettes?? No, you smoked regular or menthol cigarettes so if your using vaping to quit smoking you'll be fine with tobacco or menthol, tutti frutti is not needed.

Actually I did quite often smoke flavored cigarettes. I enjoyed menthols(menthol is a flavor), I also smoked the flavored Camels when they were around, my favorite was the citrus one, and then there were the clove cigarettes and hookah. That is somewhat beside the point though. As an alternative to smoking, it is important to have aspects that present an advantage over smoking. Flavors are part of that advantage.

While vaping is an alternative and not a smoking cessation device, the net result is the same. I've tried Vuse and Mark 10, they're disgusting. If that is all that was available when I started vaping, I would have gone back to smoking.

 

[Bored2Tears]

Oh but you are. You just choose your ideals differently than I.

This is a perfect example. If you have a fish allergy, avoid fish.

But if you have a milk allergy?
Or if you have an egg allergy?
Or if you have a wheat allergy?

Where's the labels for those?

I'll tell you... There are none. You're on your own. I know. My son has all three.

And what exactly are you going to put on these juice labels?

And why wouldn't we expect it on our food flavoring labels? Because I'll tell you right now that's the flavoring usually used... and its not on there regardless of the fact they're food specific items.

Again... your ideals are not reality.

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What is my idealism? I suggest that some regulation is needed for the average consumer. I don't trust the free market to self-regulate? That's idealism? OK...guilty.

 

[sub4me]

Oh but you are. You just choose your ideals differently than I.

This is a perfect example. If you have a fish allergy, avoid fish.

But if you have a milk allergy?
Or if you have an egg allergy?
Or if you have a wheat allergy?

Where's the labels for those?

I'll tell you... There are none. You're on your own. I know. My son has all three.

And what exactly are you going to put on these juice labels?

And why wouldn't we expect it on our food flavoring labels? Because I'll tell you right now that's the flavoring usually used... and its not on there regardless of the fact they're food specific items.

Again... your ideals are not reality.

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Maybe you shouod start a food protest or maybe read the labels before you buy milk, nuts , fish and everything else on your list

 

[Lessifer]

i like tobacco flavor only. but i also like my mod, not BT's crappy cigalikes. thats where my biggest problem is.

besides the fact that we should be able to vape any flavor we want. im just in luck for my flavor preference if it comes to that.

Well, you like tobacco flavor, but do you like Mark 10 tobacco? or Vuse tobacco?

 

[beckdg]

if we can get the american cancer society to back us on this we might have a better chance

Just like ecigs... The most effective cessation to date... is being tossed aside, the American Cancer Society tossed the gerson therapy aside in favor of constant money flow. I don't think they're going to answer the door for our new messiah.

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[samturdo]

Well, you like tobacco flavor, but do you like Mark 10 tobacco? or Vuse tobacco?

i never tried those, i like ry4 and white rhino tobacco, but i guess any tobacco will do if thats all i had

 

[sub4me]

Actually I did quite often smoke flavored cigarettes. I enjoyed menthols(menthol is a flavor), I also smoked the flavored Camels when they were around, my favorite was the citrus one, and then there were the clove cigarettes and hookah. That is somewhat beside the point though. As an alternative to smoking, it is important to have aspects that present an advantage over smoking. Flavors are part of that advantage.

While vaping is an alternative and not a smoking cessation device, the net result is the same. I've tried Vuse and Mark 10, they're disgusting. If that is all that was available when I started vaping, I would have gone back to smoking.

Sure but those flavored products aren't around now, so no use discussing that and no you wouldn't have to back to smoking that would be your choice.

 

[samturdo]

Just like ecigs... The most effective cessation to date... is being tossed aside, the American Cancer Society tossed the gerson therapy aside in favor of constant money flow. I don't think they're going to answer the door for our new messiah.

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with enough persuasion anything is possible, just a thought

 

[towelie]

So this statute allows the Federal Reserve to issue notes, basically loans to the government, that can then be redeemed for legal currency later.

Are you suggesting that the Federal Reserve is issuing unlimited notes to companies which then give them to politicians for favors?

When I say campaign finance reform, I mean caps on the amount of money that private interests can donate to politicians to run for office.

Congress borrows lawful money in the form of bonds it conjures up and deposits at the Fed, the Fed loans an equal amount of its notes which are legal tender as decreed by Congress, back to Congress...mostly in a computer as credits. One is legal and one is lawful.

I am merely suggesting we figure out what "money" is and fix that problem as it is central to basically every problem.
Private interests pay, politicians vote biased, the problem right? Why won't they just do like college football and donate something other than ** "money"?

**"money of account" http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/5101 in the notes section.

Point is this: without elastic currency politicians would not have the time or resources to even consider things like how to regulate vaping or how to invade that country without declaring war ect..much less how to waste more time and "money" trying to figure out how to appease corruption in the form of campaign contributions.

Are you a law student? That redemption part is a doozy

 

[beckdg]

Maybe you shouod start a food protest or maybe read the labels before you buy milk, nuts , fish and everything else on your list

Again with the reading comprehension.

Sigh

We can't even lead this horse to water...

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[sub4me]

And they have at least one vaper's support. A shining pillar of our community, sub4me.

Just your nonsense speaking.

 

[samturdo]

Again with the reading comprehension.

Sigh

We can't even lead this horse to water...

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this thread is growing pretty fast, i havent read the whole thing either..

 

[sub4me]

Again with the reading comprehension.

Sigh

We can't even lead this horse to water...

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I agree you do have a slow comprehension when it comes to reading.

 

[samturdo]

hm......

 

[beckdg]

What is my idealism?

Labels.

In this example you said

If there was no labeling and you had a food allergy...........well I guess you just guess about it.

When in fact there are very few food allergies where learning isn't guessing regardless of the current labeling system.

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[beckdg]

with enough persuasion anything is possible, just a thought

I would like to think so. But obviously I'm skeptical.

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[sub4me]

Labels.

In this example you said



When in fact there are very few food allergies where learning isn't guessing.

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But yet your happy to guess what's in a liquid, lmao, makes no sense for someone so concerned with allergies.