The Final Count Down -- Are You Ready?

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    I have 8 separate windows open of nic suppliers and I officially have no idea who to choose.

    Nic base for freezing, should that be ordered in pg or vg?

    Whether pg or vg depends on you. Some have allergies to pg. I usually get it in pg just because it is easier to work with since vg is very thick. When I mix I mostly use vg.

    The rest depends on factors such as: is price a concern? Is one vendor closer to you so less travel time in the heat.
     

    Blitzdonlife

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    That’s a picture of my atty stand. I have several 30 ml bottles of juice in my cubby, but I have dozens of those 15 ml bottles with 5 or 10 mls. I have a few current favorites I use daily, but I also like to grab something different once in a while. A lot of those are just single flavor tests. They’re fine alone, but most are also pretty good mixed with another juice that’s in a squonker. Endless variety. Plus very little waste. In fact, the only thing I am throwing away lately are flavors I bought but don’t like.
    Where did you get that stand, is it for nail polish? I like it, something I need in my life.
     

    Dr. Seuss

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    Price is a concern but so is inexpensive nasty nicotine, you know what I mean? I have no gauge on where to draw the line on price.

    I’m a gallon of coffee into it and sleep deprived going at it like a mad man stressing out over here, ....

    But I’m not gonna do, what everyone think I’m gonna do and just...FLIP OUT MAAAN!

    Vapor tek, vapor tek was just mentioned, it comes in glass and they said it was good so, I’m going with vapor tek. It’s settled.
     

    Iron Molly

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    Where did you get that stand, is it for nail polish? I like it, something I need in my life.

    That's what I use. too. Nail polish stand. Check Walmart or Amazon. I use mine in a plastic box and arrange my DIY flavors on it. Much easier to see what I've got!
     

    Iron Molly

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    It’s Thursday, it’s going to get stuck in the mail over the Weekend, should that be a concern?

    Mine is stuck over the weekend as well, ordered yesterday. I figure I'll just bump that batch up in the rotation. I'm sure it will be fine though!
     
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    Price is a concern but so is inexpensive nasty nicotine, you know what I mean? I have no gauge on where to draw the line on price.

    I’m a gallon of coffee into it and sleep deprived going at it like a mad man stressing out over here, ....

    But I’m not gonna do, what everyone think I’m gonna do and just...FLIP OUT MAAAN!

    Vapor tek, vapor tek was just mentioned, it comes in glass and they said it was good so, I’m going with vapor tek. It’s settled.

    Did I miss the "dedicated reply on where everyone is NOW ordering nic?
     
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    MissMcVayp

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    Okay - I have a really stupid question, lol: a 250 bottle of 24mg nic lasts me about a year. I just keep it in the cupboard, not the fridge. So far so good (for the last 5 or 6 years). So what is it that actually happens to the nic if you DON'T freeze it? Does it get weaker? Moldy? Simply discolor? Due to the wind speed of my location (hurricane central lol) anything I freeze gets defrosted several times a year (so far) due to power outages. So would it really be that bad to just keep it in the back of my closet in a cool, dark place? What happens to it?
     

    Dr. Seuss

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    Did I miss the "dedicated reply on where everyone is NOW ordering nic?
    All I know is there’s a giant burnt cheeto, and it’s attacking cities, and it has gremlins with it that don’t like stuff that tastes good and, I gotta get nicotine because there’s absolutely no intel coming through over the wire so we’re on our own MAAN!!
     

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    Okay - I have a really stupid question, lol: a 250 bottle of 24mg nic lasts me about a year. I just keep it in the cupboard, not the fridge. So far so good (for the last 5 or 6 years). So what is it that actually happens to the nic if you DON'T freeze it? Does it get weaker? Moldy? Simply discolor? Due to the wind speed of my location (hurricane central lol) anything I freeze gets defrosted several times a year (so far) due to power outages. So would it really be that bad to just keep it in the back of my closet in a cool, dark place? What happens to it?

    It can oxidize, which makes it turn yellowish, and IME get more peppery/more throat hit. Apparently it also loses some potency. I used to just store mine in a cooler in the basement, before I got an upright freezer. It was still vapeable after a few years, but the flavor changed. I wouldn't worry too much about the periodic defrosting. I've had that happen with no noticeable changes.
     

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    No, I don't need any help mixing. My only issue is coming up with a flavor(s) I can actually vape and enjoy for more than an hour. As I stated before, I am ridiculously and hopelessly beyond picky about flavor. I've already mixed a few recipes and about 15-18 sfts. They're steeping and many of them are ready for sampling. Sampled one already. Good for an hour then it was sickening. :) Lots of experimenting ahead. That's all.


    I m hoping at the very least they offer us a one-time buy of their extracts/flavorblends to purchase in bulk for a reasonable price. Before they close shop. I've been sort of working towards that with the one flavor I like. :)

    Have you given a nic solution with no flavor a try? It is the only thing I mix ( at 18%) and that has been true for a long time. Rossum put me on to it. As a squonkin' fool, if I feel wild and crazy, I put four drops right in the atomizer, HHV Dragon's Fire - too good.
    You are right, you're not going to have any trouble mixing. It is very simple, it is so simple that I do it with the Steam Engine e-juice calculator. I hated every flavor I mixed, so I quit using flavors - still not smoking.
     

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    Okay - I have a really stupid question, lol: a 250 bottle of 24mg nic lasts me about a year. I just keep it in the cupboard, not the fridge. So far so good (for the last 5 or 6 years). So what is it that actually happens to the nic if you DON'T freeze it? Does it get weaker? Moldy? Simply discolor? Due to the wind speed of my location (hurricane central lol) anything I freeze gets defrosted several times a year (so far) due to power outages. So would it really be that bad to just keep it in the back of my closet in a cool, dark place? What happens to it?
    If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Your juice may oxidize a bit but if it’s been working, no need to change. I use about a liter a year and don’t freeze it. Same thing, I keep it in a cool place outta the sun and it’s just fine. I have a couple more liters that are in the freezer but that’s my limit, right around a year, any longer and I’d freeze it but I haven’t had any problems up to a year.
     

    Blitzdonlife

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    Okay - I have a really stupid question, lol: a 250 bottle of 24mg nic lasts me about a year. I just keep it in the cupboard, not the fridge. So far so good (for the last 5 or 6 years). So what is it that actually happens to the nic if you DON'T freeze it? Does it get weaker? Moldy? Simply discolor? Due to the wind speed of my location (hurricane central lol) anything I freeze gets defrosted several times a year (so far) due to power outages. So would it really be that bad to just keep it in the back of my closet in a cool, dark place? What happens to it?

    Old nicotine is not necessarily bad. Oxidization happens. The taste and potency is affected by these changes. My current nic is stored at room temperature, in the original plastic bottle, because I don't have access to a freezer that I can store it in. Freezing in less permeable glass bottles is the best way to slow the chemical reactions of nicotine with oxygen.

    Old nicotine tastes funky, that is the best way I can describe it. It also becomes harsher. The funk can be overcome by using flavors that mask this taste. In my experience, vanillas and caramels work the best with this off-flavor.

    You will know your nic is oxidized if looking at it, the color will darken.

    Since there is heat in the atomization process combined with oxygen, a catalytic reaction should occur regardless of the age/state of the base material.

    The main health concern I would have on old nic is fungus/bacteria/viruses, but since the PG of the carrier fluid is bacteriostatic (meaning bacteria can not reproduce) I am not too worried about it.

    I'm not a scientist or healthcare professional, so ymmv, etc. Just how I understand it from my own personal research.
     

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    What do companies do to make their nic have more “throat hit”?

    That doesn’t mean old does it?
    No not old, at least from legitimate vendors. It’s done by how much acid is added, more or less I’m not sure but it’s adjusted on the ph scale so as to have more throat hit.
     
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