Exactly right. Now, Trump had an older brother he idolized that died from alcoholism. If he was presented with a proposal that there was a product that mimicked drinking but had only a fraction of the harm I'm sure Trump would want that product made legal and available (this is the same guy who approved "Right to Try"). But, as you say, he is not being presented with the facts. In as much as I want him to take the many hours required to understand the topic, I also know it is not practical and he relies on advisors to summarize it for him. And sadly, advisers are far more concerned about political considerations than they are scientific considerations. Doing the right thing is always the casualty of political undertakings.
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I saw the media reporting Melania’s concern with vaping a day or two before I saw anything about him involved.
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Vaping is still perceived as smoking by the general public. We haven't got a chance.
From CASAA:
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Yesterday, Donald Trump, along with HHS secretary Alex Azaar, announced that the administration would be banning all flavored vapor products from the market. The move is in response to early findings from the National Youth Tobacco Survey (NYTS) that show the number of young people who vape has increased by 25% in 2019 (accompanied by a 28% decline in teen smoking).
The White House needs to hear from adult vapers and anyone who loves a vaper! A flavor ban won’t protect our children, but it will kill their parents.
We need to
Light Up The Switchboard
At The Whitehouse!
202-456-1414
On your call:
.............
I called my 2 Senators, my Congressman and the White House Switchboard, have you?
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Yesterday, Donald Trump, along with HHS secretary Alex Azaar, announced that the administration would be banning all flavored vapor products from the market. The move is in response to early findings from the National Youth Tobacco Survey (NYTS) that show the number of young people who vape has increased by 25% in 2019 (accompanied by a 28% decline in teen smoking).
The White House needs to hear from adult vapers and anyone who loves a vaper! A flavor ban won’t protect our children, but it will kill their parents.
We need to
Light Up The Switchboard
At The Whitehouse!
202-456-1414
On your call:
- The operator will likely ask where they can direct your call
- Simply tell them that flavored vapor products saved your life; and,
- tell them “We Vape, We Vote.
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I called my 2 Senators, my Congressman and the White House Switchboard, have you?
In other words, we vapers are thought of as weak-minded, low-class, disgusting, sub-human, troglodyte, reprobates who should be ostracized and shamed by our fellow citizens...who live perfect lives, have no crutches, bad habits, and are the epitome of the perfect human being.
That about summarizes it.
When is this supposed to take effectFrom CASAA:
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Yesterday, Donald Trump, along with HHS secretary Alex Azaar, announced that the administration would be banning all flavored vapor products from the market. The move is in response to early findings from the National Youth Tobacco Survey (NYTS) that show the number of young people who vape has increased by 25% in 2019 (accompanied by a 28% decline in teen smoking).
The White House needs to hear from adult vapers and anyone who loves a vaper! A flavor ban won’t protect our children, but it will kill their parents.
We need to
Light Up The Switchboard
At The Whitehouse!
202-456-1414
On your call:
Be polite, be brief, and say thank you."
- The operator will likely ask where they can direct your call
- Simply tell them that flavored vapor products saved your life; and,
- tell them “We Vape, We Vote.
.............
I called my 2 Senators, my Congressman and the White House Switchboard, have you?
Don’t know yet, but it sounds like it could come without notice. Someone correct me if I’m wrong please
If we could get FOX news to cover how vaping is saving lives and flavorings shouldn't be banned, we would get Trump's attention. Probably have him change his mind the same day and fire whoever told him to ban them.
On a federal level there is still a process the FDA has to follow. It can't happen in a day. And there has to be time, even a very short one, for public comment, followed by publishing the reg and giving x days notice on enforcement. It's not like a recall of contaminated hamburger. Besides, the contaminated stuff that's actually making people sick isn't even subject to FDA regulation, and you need the DEA to shut down the THC cartridge market.
Even just removing nic probably wouldn't satisfy them. Teens would still get gear and illegal carts. I think they will ban everything they can connect to vaping.
They'll go after the gear next when the flavor ban doesn't do the job they thought the it would.
NJ Could Be 1st State to Ban All Electronic Smoking Products
(cross post, I put this in another thread too).
From a non-vaper on Facebook: "How about we take cigarettes, alcohol, and the big catalyst in the opoid epidemic, oxycontin, off the shelves too? Have you seen those death tolls?
No I do not promote vaping. However, the hypocrisy with which doesn't fill the government's pockets is unbelievable."
Gives me SOME hope!
No I do not promote vaping. However, the hypocrisy with which doesn't fill the government's pockets is unbelievable."
Gives me SOME hope!
Better yet, have Trump come out against vaping and the House leadership will come out in favor of vaping.
It created the perfect excuse to do what they've long wanted to, but didn't have enough public support to accomplish.
I do not think water is the problem per se. Water is entirely miscible with PG and/or VG and won't form ice crystals in juice at home freezer temperatures. Remember, we're vaping anti-freeze!
I believe the problem/question is entirely with the flavorings.
That article Eskie posted a link to, has this in it:
"The Food and Drug Administration is already finalizing its guidance to remove all non-tobacco flavors of e-cigarettes, including mint and menthol, from the market within 30 days. Companies might be able to reintroduce their flavors at a later date, so long as they submit a formal application and receive approval from the FDA."
Huh? Aren't authors of these articles required to do any fact checking any more?
"The Food and Drug Administration is already finalizing its guidance to remove all non-tobacco flavors of e-cigarettes, including mint and menthol, from the market within 30 days. Companies might be able to reintroduce their flavors at a later date, so long as they submit a formal application and receive approval from the FDA."
Huh? Aren't authors of these articles required to do any fact checking any more?
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