The Final Count Down -- Are You Ready?
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Regarding the salts storage question:
Formerly Vermont Vapor, Inc. - Tips
"Back in 2010 I did experiments with our 60 mg/ml unflavored and menthol bases, both with and without citric acid and both with and without an argon header (MAP so that no oxygen was in contact with the e-liquid). There were controls (kept in foil at -5 deg. C), ones kept at room temperature in foil and also exposed to light, and ones kept cool (winter temperatures in Vermont) but exposed to artificial and natural light.
After 60 days, the "cleanest" (least odor and discoloration) e-liquids were the controls and those that were kept at winter temperatures exposed to light. The presence of citric acid had no noticeable effect nor did the argon modified atmosphere packaging. Light had a very minor effect. One interesting feature of all samples was that the menthol bases were all more degraded than the unflavored bases. Why this occured, I don't know. Other than the difference when compared to the unflavored samples, the results with the menthol base were similar to those from the unflavored base.
Results: To keep your nicotine containing e-liquid fresh, keep it cold."
Formerly Vermont Vapor, Inc. - Tips
"Back in 2010 I did experiments with our 60 mg/ml unflavored and menthol bases, both with and without citric acid and both with and without an argon header (MAP so that no oxygen was in contact with the e-liquid). There were controls (kept in foil at -5 deg. C), ones kept at room temperature in foil and also exposed to light, and ones kept cool (winter temperatures in Vermont) but exposed to artificial and natural light.
After 60 days, the "cleanest" (least odor and discoloration) e-liquids were the controls and those that were kept at winter temperatures exposed to light. The presence of citric acid had no noticeable effect nor did the argon modified atmosphere packaging. Light had a very minor effect. One interesting feature of all samples was that the menthol bases were all more degraded than the unflavored bases. Why this occured, I don't know. Other than the difference when compared to the unflavored samples, the results with the menthol base were similar to those from the unflavored base.
Results: To keep your nicotine containing e-liquid fresh, keep it cold."
I’ve been curious if a vape company would be viable selling one shots. Certainly their offerings would be scaled back because they could not sell final mixes or gear (which most do) and their customer base would shrink dramatically. But would it be legal to sell one shots? Call it Joe Blow’s Bakery Flavors who has two bakery shop customers and 100 DIY vape customers. How does the FDA regulate these people? I mean, how did head shops make it all these years?
One problem with this question is: What acid was the nic salt made with and how much? Straight nicotine should always be the same stuff, with salts, you generally don't really know exactly what you're getting.
That said, if salts were my thing (they aren't), I'd put 'em in the freezer, in glass bottles, just like regular nic.
Vermont Vapor used critic acid. I still have some in the freezer, still clear and as good as the day I chilled it. It will be 10 in Feb!
I still plan on doing a similar Doc for the ZBModz enclosures. Last weekend I got preempted by a Honey-Do list from hell, but I havent forgotten about it.Awesome instructions Mike!!! Thank you.
I'll stick with my Weller's.
I have a Weller gun style and a Weller pencil iron. I also have several off brand pencil irons around the house for convenience. Having an iron in the basement workshop, main floor, and my upstairs workout/music room is worth a few bucks. I also carry a cheapo iron and a spool of 60/40 solder in my gig bag. I average maybe once a year needing one.
Guess I could've snipped a little further down from the ChemNovatic site. I believe there are about a half dozen other types (Juul uses Benzoate, Vuse uses Lactic, others use citric, early forms used acetic, etc.)- but these guys, who claim to be the largest mfg. in the world, offer 3.
And from what I've read, regardless of the type, the ionic conversion is what makes the molecule more stable. In freebase form, it has a negative charge, which is more volatile. I don't think benzoate would be any more or less stable than citric, but that all salts are more stable than fb.
And I wouldn't order any real quantity of fb or salt unless I knew the type, country of origin, etc.
This is me quoting myself.
I originally made up a Word table to do that calculation but I guess I never saved it and it's gone. I did it again and the total came out to $3100. Must have hit the wrong button on the calculator or something.
This morning I added in 3 mods that died, and the Pro Tanks and Spinners. Plus the nic and freezer. The total went up to $4000. With a very rough estimate of $2000 for all the other odds and ends that comes to about $6000, excluding consumables.
Now my conscience is clear. The total savings since we quit smoking goes down from $25,000 to $23,000 but I'm not complaining. And that's based on a pack a day. We were probably both pushing a pack and a half by the end.
I got most of my hardware on clearance. At full price it would have been a lot more. If I was starting today looking at those numbers and there was only 8 months left it would be a little scary. Not much time left to wait for clearance sales.
I did another table listing what I would buy today if I was in that position.
I figured 10 regulated mods, and 4 mechs just in case. You can get decent mods for $25 if you grab them in a sale. Something like Pico or Aegis Solo. Not familiar with mechs but I guessed $40 each. That's $400 for mods.
You can get decent rebuildable tanks for $25. That's after you decide what kind of vape you want. I would probably get 20. That comes to $500. 10 tanks might be enough if you don't drop stuff on the floor a lot, or if you get lots of spare parts.
It's different for everyone but say 4 liters of nic. You can get that for $50 a liter in sales, total $200. A small freezer if you don't have space in the kitchen, $150.
All that comes to around $1300. Maybe get some o-rings and glass and drip tips and so forth. Everything else is consumables that you wouldn't need to get before the deadline. Around the cost of smoking for those 8 months. Not so bad. You wouldn't have as much fun as us old timers did though.
There are a lot of ways you could approach stocking up. This would be one way using cheap mainstream gear. You could get more expensive stuff, or twice as much stuff. Buy boards and get ready to make your own mods. Or just say screw it and live with whatever pods they decide to let us buy. Lots of choices.
Does anyone calculate just what their stash cost? I have no idea where I’d draw the line between what I’m using and what I’m saving.
Mad stab guess, I’ve spent $5-6k total. Mods, atties, nic, the whole shebang. Still the savings from not smoking is around 20k. I feel like a few more RDAs and I’ll be set for life, aside from consumables. Which won’t stop me from buying things until I no longer can. But I no longer feel the urgency.
Mad stab guess, I’ve spent $5-6k total. Mods, atties, nic, the whole shebang. Still the savings from not smoking is around 20k. I feel like a few more RDAs and I’ll be set for life, aside from consumables. Which won’t stop me from buying things until I no longer can. But I no longer feel the urgency.
I'm thinking spare parts for attys might still be easy to get from Fasttech after the boom drops. They always say the items in their packages are innocent nozzles and such, and if the packages are opened by customs, odds are a bunch of o rings and screws and peculiar metal bits wouldn't raise an alarm.
Except for the tariff thing.
I always wondered why customs was never interested in why I would possibly get so many small packages of Bluetooth speakers over the past few years.
Don't you ever get filter nozzles or CNC machine parts? I get lots of both.
About what I spent. But if we tell newbies they need to spend $6K in the next 8 months or they are screwed, eyes are going to glaze over.
I reckon a newbie today could get well situated for around a grand, if they make the right choices. And they haven't blown too much if for some reason the sky doesn't fall.
I’d be afraid to start adding it all up! I have boxes of stuff dating back to about 2010. I bought my first stash of mechs during the early dark days, have added a few more this last year. A dozen provaris maybe?? and about 65 or so regulated mods, plus a dozen pods/built in battery mods that I like for out and about knowing well they’ll bite the dust first. I don’t count those. 4 shoeboxes of rta/rdas.... just stuff lol. And enough diy stuff to keep me stocked for a long time. But, yeah, I still find shinies to buy
Come on over, lol! You can forage through all my flavors too . I’m probably undercounting, but all I know is I have a TON less than Shawn, so it must be okay .- Status
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